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**chopper** · 24 November 2015, 15:21

Originally posted by JohnJizzle View Post

Hi all, hoping someone with better knowledge of contracting can help with this query (I have no idea if any of this is ok)

Have been contracting just over a year - brought in to do financial reporting, something they didn't have the people in-house for.
They have now realised that this is something they would like as a more permanent thing and decided to create a reporting finance team when the current project comes to an end.

My query is about being a contractor as part of a team - built around what I came in to do
There is also talk of becoming team leader - again as a contractor. Running a team of perms...

Not sure what your current status, but being "part of a team", maybe even the "team leader" - that'll be IR35.

**JohnJizzle** · 24 November 2015, 15:24

at the moment I'm just working on my own. I do all the reporting as they didn't have any before

**BrilloPad** · 24 November 2015, 16:31

What is your query? I see no "?" as part of your post.....

**LondonManc** · 24 November 2015, 16:37

Originally posted by JohnJizzle View Post

at the moment I'm just working on my own. I do all the reporting as they didn't have any before

Being a project lead, leading perms is fine as long as you ask that someone else looks after the line management/huggy-feely side of things. You're there to provide the deliverables specified in your contract with the resources available. If you choose to go perm at the end of the contract or walk away, that's fine.

The biggies are:
Get your contract updated and checked to reflect any additional responsibilities
Avoid any and all aspects of line management; you're only shepherding the resource, not cuddling it.
Make sure that working practices are clearly defined

**MrMarkyMark** · 24 November 2015, 16:38

You're there to provide the deliverables specified in your contract

+1 get the project deliverables put in .

**northernladuk** · 24 November 2015, 16:42

What LM says. Always remember you are brought in as a contractor to carry out a task that should be documented. Never accept new work allow the client to move you around as he sees fit. That would be direction and control which is a big IR35 flag. Permies do that not us. Always get it documented and agreed. There we times however the client will be to treating you like a permie so no number of new agreements will help you.

All that said the fact you say they want it on a permanent basis and you are team lead doesn't look very good. If they perceive you to be an enduring resource you could be in a sticky situation re IR35 already. They should be putting a plan in place for you to skill a permie up and letting you go TBH.....

**northernladuk** · 24 November 2015, 16:48

I am assuming you know what IR35 is.........

**unixman** · 24 November 2015, 16:52

Do whatever they offer, so long as they offer an appopriate contact with it. Team leader? Sure, just get them to write a 12 month team leader contract. and so on.

**LondonManc** · 24 November 2015, 16:55

Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

What LM says. Always remember you are brought in as a contractor to carry out a task that should be documented. Never accept new work allow the client to move you around as he sees fit. That would be direction and control which is a big IR35 flag. Permies do that not us. Always get it documented and agreed. There we times however the client will be to treating you like a permie so no number of new agreements will help you.

All that said the fact you say they want it on a permanent basis and you are team lead doesn't look very good. If they perceive you to be an enduring resource you could be in a sticky situation re IR35 already. They should be putting a plan in place for you to skill a permie up and letting you go TBH.....

Spot on. Personally, I'd want two different types of people for project delivery and ongoing support (contract v perm).

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