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Originally posted by cojak View Post+1
Soon the contractor supply pool will be 90% newbies with neither the experience nor the clue to realise that the old hands have taken their permanent jobs or just retired from the market completely.Public Service Posting by the BBC - Bloggs Bulls**t Corp.
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Originally posted by yMyjgT View PostBut how would HR decide in advance that contractor X should be allowed to substitute or not? Or won't be told what to do?
They could ask the hiring manager "are you happy for this contractor to substitute? Do you agree this contractor will not be supervised or controlled?"
Maybe it just becomes part of the form filling for the hiring manger to feed HR with what they need to know to determine status.
And when their roles get advertised as inside, and no one applies, they'll soon start filling those forms in differently.Comment
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Originally posted by madame SasGuru View PostIf I'm hiring for a particular skill set to cover the fact I don't have that skillset within my team, why would I let that person bring a substitute in who I haven't interviewed. And once I've interviewed and accepted him its no longer an unfettered right of substitutionSee You Next TuesdayComment
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Originally posted by madame SasGuru View PostSays someone who I believe is a technical Specialist.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostWell done. What's your plan?
I just want to spend time with my kids.Comment
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Many permietractors and businesses have sowed what the rest of us will now reap.
Every place I go to I find the usual bods who believe that they are a contractor, but have been in the same place for five years. They are outside the scope as they work from home on a friday ( yes really) and the one that always gets me is "oh I leave all that to my accountant"
I also find they have the biggest newest car in the car park, brag to the permies how much they are coining in and how little tax they pay.
It will be the final piece in the jigsaw for the intermediaries legislation, which was started to take shape 3 years ago.
Those permietractors will not know whats hit them until its too late.
For the rest of us, we will take the hit, demand a better rate due to up-skilling, or go B2B.Comment
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Originally posted by Lance View PostIf a private sector client uses the CEST tool it will show them how to make someone outside. A real right of substitution being one easy way. Another being not telling the contractor how to do the work. That makes it easy for the client to determine that a temp filing clerk is almost certainly inside, and a specialist IT consultant telling them how to do a,b,c is definitely outside. Simples.
2. RoS, while laudatory, I can't really see working for the larger part. Security badges, Logons etc all take time. Also, if the interview process determines the client likes person A for this and that reason, why would a client then agree to an undermining of all that through Substitution? If you decide on a plumber for some work, and he sends in his monkey instead, himself never to be seen again, you might have reservations.
Dunno, speculating. Am sure others have alternative experience of both points.Comment
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I think I'd really struggle with an unfettered RoS. The reason my skills are in demand is that almost nobody these days has the specific combination of 40+ years experience and industry knowledge in my particular speciality. Everyone else I know has retired or semi retired and works only when they feel like it. So, I am in demand. But - Who the heck would I sub to? On the other hand, I think D&C would be a slam dunk, so given the three pillars of IR35 determination ALL have to be there, I would be very confident on D&C. But it's moot anyway, my work now is all outside Europe.Public Service Posting by the BBC - Bloggs Bulls**t Corp.
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Originally posted by simes View Post1. Why would a client, Private or Otherwise, bother with the CEST to the contractors' advantageous when that decision could Still lead to an investigation of the client and a wasting of their time further down the line? For my part, in clients' shoes, I would just stick everyone Inside IR35 and let the contractor battle it out after the fact.
2. RoS, while laudatory, I can't really see working for the larger part. Security badges, Logons etc all take time. Also, if the interview process determines the client likes person A for this and that reason, why would a client then agree to an undermining of all that through Substitution? If you decide on a plumber for some work, and he sends in his monkey instead, himself never to be seen again, you might have reservations.
Dunno, speculating. Am sure others have alternative experience of both points.
2. Substitution is actually quite straightforward, even in situations requiring security badges and logins.Cats are evil.Comment
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