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    Question first year contracting / dividents

    Hi there, I started contracingt just about 7 months ago, and have a question about dividends.
    I have taken about 2/3 of lower % dividents out, but have money in my bank account saved up for tax, just thinking is it worth taking that money out as dividents, as tax doesn't need to be paid for a while and can pay that off from future invoices, so I can still use up smaller % this tax year? Sounds very confusing, but this is my first year, so still trying to get my head around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddleleaf View Post
    Hi there, I started contracingt just about 7 months ago, and have a question about dividends.
    I have taken about 2/3 of lower % dividents out, but have money in my bank account saved up for tax, just thinking is it worth taking that money out as dividents, as tax doesn't need to be paid for a while and can pay that off from future invoices, so I can still use up smaller % this tax year? Sounds very confusing, but this is my first year, so still trying to get my head around.

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    Don't get cocky with money that technically isn't yours, something may happen in the future (like getting canned from your contract with a long bench-time) that means you don't have the invoices to pay back your tax..

    Read up on this here Limited Company Dividends Guide

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    If it’s not retained profit then I think it’s an illegal dividend. Basically don’t take out ANY more than you need to cover your debtors (tax etc) at any point in time.

    Your accountant should be able to advise almost exactly how much that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrButton View Post
    If it’s not retained profit then I think it’s an illegal dividend. Basically don’t take out ANY more than you need to cover your debtors (tax etc) at any point in time.
    Can operating profit from the current year be taken out legally, or does one need to wait for it to end before withdrawing any of it (as part of the tax year that follows)?

    (I'm pretty sure you can, but I figured I'd just double-check while the subject's up)
    Last edited by deeter; 17th March 2019 at 21:58. Reason: Clarifying I'm not a _complete_ idiot

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    Yeah sure. Take it all out. Nothing can go wrong.. Can it?

    P.s you shouldn't be taking all your dividends. You should leaving as much in the company as possible to build a warchest up just in case your second gig takes awhile to get. Taking everything out including your tax money and then ending up on the bench for a few months will be extremely uncomfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deeter View Post
    Can operating profit from the current year be taken out legally, or does one need to wait for it to end before withdrawing any of it (as part of the tax year that follows)?

    (I'm pretty sure you can, but I figured I'd just double-check while the subject's up)
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    Jesus, NLUK. I do read the guides and contact my accountant regularly; is it so bad I tried the shortcut of polling the forum's collective experience just this once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddleleaf View Post
    Hi there, I started contracingt just about 7 months ago, and have a question about dividends.
    I have taken about 2/3 of lower % dividents out, but have money in my bank account saved up for tax, just thinking is it worth taking that money out as dividents, as tax doesn't need to be paid for a while and can pay that off from future invoices, so I can still use up smaller % this tax year? Sounds very confusing, but this is my first year, so still trying to get my head around.

    Thank you
    Do not take money out of the company that isn't yours. It's really that simple - it's utterly foolish to do so. In every legal sense that CT liability and/or VAT belongs to HMRC and they will come and take it from you.

    If you need cash and are so confident you'll get it in future then take a persona loan and pay it off down the line. Or try desperately to live within your means, especially in the early stages of your contratc career.

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    You can take dividends mid year. It should be out of retained profits. This means after you've factored in setting any funds aside for VAT/CT etc. You cannot take dividends beyond that.

    Potentially you could take a director loan beyond that, but I'd strongly recommend against it. It's a recipe for disaster, a common n00b mistake that they pay the price for a year or two later.

    Money that should be set aside for taxes is not your money, don't even think of it as your company's money. You're just temporarily holding it. If you go out and spend it, you'll have a very painful next year.

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