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Speculation on future changes to contract law
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Speculation on future changes to contract law
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Originally posted by andydd68 View PostSurely in future this PSL/Closed shop of Umbrellas to choose from will be deemed unlawful or noncompetitive ? ....and yes it is a mess and another unintended consequence of IR35 that HMRC muppets didnt think of..they just had £ signs in their eyes...think of all those extra contractors paying lots more tax..the reality will be somewhat different !merely at clientco for the entertainment -
Originally posted by eek View PostNope, it's perfectly legal (as we discovered last week) and sensible for an agency to have a closed list of umbrellas to choose from - it's convenient for the agency and assuming some sanity was applied when creating the shortlist was created the umbrellas will be tax correct (not using tax compliant as I've seen dodgy umbrellas using that phrase).Comment
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostSadly legal but if the agency bleats on about not wanting too many companies to deal with, one has to wonder how they coped with paying multiple Ltd Companies...
Oh and ask the director of the agency whether they are aware of what the consequences of introducing people to a tax avoidance scheme is (and whether unknowingly doing so would be a valid excuse to HMRC)merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostNope, it's perfectly legal (as we discovered last week) and sensible for an agency to have a closed list of umbrellas to choose from - it's convenient for the agency and assuming some sanity was applied when creating the shortlist was created the umbrellas will be tax correct (not using tax compliant as I've seen dodgy umbrellas using that phrase).
Many believe that "sanity" may consist of a nice kick back or commission...Its early days and its already one of the most posted topics and that obvious lack of competition is worrying, previously the EU have been hot on this....alas...we are waving bye to that option too.Comment
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Originally posted by andydd68 View PostTrue but it was perfectly legal (as an example) for Microsoft to only supply their own browser..up until it wasnt..
Many believe that "sanity" may consist of a nice kick back or commission...Its early days and its already one of the most posted topics and that obvious lack of competition is worrying, previously the EU have been hot on this....alas...we are waving bye to that option too.
The rules won't change no matter how much you want them to...merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostThe information we posted above comes from one umbrella firm (no FCSA) double checking things with suitable senior employment lawyers alongside the view point of a senior director of a large agency - Both show to the annoyance of multiple smaller umbrella firms that they can't push things and it's perfectly legal for agencies to say this list or no deal / contract.
The rules won't change no matter how much you want them to...Comment
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Originally posted by andydd68 View PostI disagree..I can easily forsee a situation where only giving a small choice of Umbrellas (who will lets not forget become our employers) is deemed unlawful or uncompetitive.
I will actually be on the other side of the battle - I know Lucy won't like this but I think it's only fair that agencies can control who they pay money to when there are so many cowboy fake "umbrella" firms around and it's possible that an agency could end up liable when it wasn't they fault...Last edited by eek; 10 March 2020, 15:02.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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And we are only interested in the law as it stands today."I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
- Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...Comment
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Originally posted by eek View PostI know Lucy won't like this but I think it's only fair that agencies can control who they pay money to when there are so many cowboy fake "umbrella" firms around and it's possible that an agency could end up liable when it wasn't they fault...Comment
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