Contracting vs Perm

[LondonPM1]

Yeah, of course it will all work out fine and you will be one of the lucky ones. I mean, what's the worst that can happen - out of work in three months with no savings or likely income? And in a limited and shrinking market, people with minimal skills in any given field will obviously be in demand over people who know what they are doing.

It's lottery, of course it is, especially now if you've been paying attention. Us old farts are only reminding newcomers that it is as likely to go tits up as it is to work out fine. Seems some people can't cope with that approach!

Those old farts were predicting gloom in 2000 and then in 2008 so yes its going to work out - When you are young is when you want to take risk in your career and when you have energy to pivot

Not when you are 50 and with a mortgage and withered away

And just remember Perms do get fired as well so there is no safety like there used to be

[malvolio]

Those old farts were predicting gloom in 2000 and then in 2008 so yes its going to work out - When you are young is when you want to take risk in your career and when you have energy to pivot

Not when you are 50 and with a mortgage and withered away

And just remember Perms do get fired as well so there is no safety like there used to be

50 is still quite young from my perspective...?

OTOH I haven't had a mortgage for quite a while...?

But I will stick by the voice of experience over mindless optimism!

[LondonManc]

To be honest, my thoughts have changed from my initial post in this thread. PMO isnt for me and i would like to go into Data Analysis/BI, i find that way more interesting.

How much can i expect to earn as a mid level Data Analyst/Bi Analyst?

My only worry is i'm not naturally 'technical minded' enough. Although i can interview well and im good at Excel, currently learning SQL and i'm decent at Macros VBA and i'm willing to put the time in to develop myself. I've had a look on Job websites, but i feel like the rates for perm and contracting are lower than they were before lockdown? eg. im seeing rates vary from as little as 35k perm to 65k perm.

What can i expect to earn as a perm/contractor in this field in the long term in London? Many thanks guys for your inputs.

You can expect to earn sweet FA in London in the current environment as a contractor. You're competing with many experienced out of work contractors who are taking well below market rate inside gigs because they pay the bills and will maintain the status quo for the next six months.

I'd say build up your skills as a perm for five years then consider:
1/ Staying perm and working your way up the food chain to management
2/ Going into consultancy where there's more variety and less uncertainty than contracting to see what it's like working at clients that aren't necessarily where you'd like to work location-wise. (i.e. a prelude to contracting)
3/ Take the plunge - with 5-7 years under your belt, you'll stand much more chance of competing as a contractor.

Just my thoughts after 20+ years in BI.

[PCTNN]

Not when you are 50 and with a mortgage and withered away

if I have a mortgage when I'm 50 I will have failed in life.

[Chilli]

You can expect to earn sweet FA in London in the current environment as a contractor. You're competing with many experienced out of work contractors who are taking well below market rate inside gigs because they pay the bills and will maintain the status quo for the next six months.

I'd say build up your skills as a perm for five years then consider:
1/ Staying perm and working your way up the food chain to management
2/ Going into consultancy where there's more variety and less uncertainty than contracting to see what it's like working at clients that aren't necessarily where you'd like to work location-wise. (i.e. a prelude to contracting)
3/ Take the plunge - with 5-7 years under your belt, you'll stand much more chance of competing as a contractor.

Just my thoughts after 20+ years in BI.

Sounds like a solid plan, thanks for the tips.

I posed the salary/rate question as one for the future down the line eg. After 5 years.

As you’re extremely experienced in BI, how much do you think I could earn on a perm/contract rate?

Thanks

[NotAllThere]

Total nonsense. The idea that contractors are perfect and highly experienced cream de la cream is fanciful.

Nah. That's just you.

My only worry is i'm not naturally 'technical minded' enough. Although i can interview well and im good at Excel, currently learning SQL and i'm decent at Macros VBA

With that, the only way you'll be able to make it is if your people skills and sales skills are top notch. Clients want contractors to do something. You might be lucky, like LondonPM1, but the risk is high that you'll fail. Especially so young.

But I do think that given a few more years you'll do fine. Most likely.

[LondonManc]

Sounds like a solid plan, thanks for the tips.

I posed the salary/rate question as one for the future down the line eg. After 5 years.

As you’re extremely experienced in BI, how much do you think I could earn on a perm/contract rate?

Thanks

Depends where you are - London is different rates to others - and experience and skillset.

It's also a bit of a gamble at times; speculating on learning a tech that doesn't take off for example (Lotus Notes, Joost, Google Wave, etc.)

BI isn't going to stand still either. The future isn't easy to predict with BI but proficiency in SQL will be essential. So will an ETL tool for both on prem and cloud solutions, along with at least one reporting tool and either Power BI or Tableau. Plus the obvious part of knowledge of how both on prem and cloud solutions fit together (AWS / Azure / Snowflake are looking like the three main players in the cloud right now but that could well change).

If you only buy one book, buy this: The Data Warehouse Toolkit: The Definitive Guide to Dimensional Modeling, 3rd Edition: Amazon.co.uk: Kimball, Ralph: 8601405019745: Books

I got my copy in 2003 and have used it ever since. All the principles in it still stand today.


As for rates, I'll give this one the classic "it depends". Depends on the market itself (supply and demand) for both perm and contract. Depends on your skillset and willingness to travel and whether you are any good or not, obviously. Wind back five years ago pre IR35/COVID/Brexit doom and a Senior BI Dev in Canary Wharf with no ott specialisation could easily be on £600/day or £85k + benefits & bonus as a perm . Today's market is a lot tougher but the jobs are still there.

[LondonPM1]

Depends where you are - London is different rates to others - and experience and skillset.

It's also a bit of a gamble at times; speculating on learning a tech that doesn't take off for example (Lotus Notes, Joost, Google Wave, etc.)

BI isn't going to stand still either. The future isn't easy to predict with BI but proficiency in SQL will be essential. So will an ETL tool for both on prem and cloud solutions, along with at least one reporting tool and either Power BI or Tableau. Plus the obvious part of knowledge of how both on prem and cloud solutions fit together (AWS / Azure / Snowflake are looking like the three main players in the cloud right now but that could well change).

If you only buy one book, buy this: The Data Warehouse Toolkit: The Definitive Guide to Dimensional Modeling, 3rd Edition: Amazon.co.uk: Kimball, Ralph: 8601405019745: Books

I got my copy in 2003 and have used it ever since. All the principles in it still stand today.


As for rates, I'll give this one the classic "it depends". Depends on the market itself (supply and demand) for both perm and contract. Depends on your skillset and willingness to travel and whether you are any good or not, obviously. Wind back five years ago pre IR35/COVID/Brexit doom and a Senior BI Dev in Canary Wharf with no ott specialisation could easily be on £600/day or £85k + benefits & bonus as a perm . Today's market is a lot tougher but the jobs are still there.

It’s me again!! I m genuinely interested if you were given 600 a day or 85k plus 10% bonus which one would you take ?!

I’m not interested in the perm is boring because you have to do mid year reviews but rather from a financial point

For me 600 a day is 150k which you can optimise tax wise. Take small salary buy a BTL in company name etc

[malvolio]

It’s me again!! I m genuinely interested if you were given 600 a day or 85k plus 10% bonus which one would you take ?!

I’m not interested in the perm is boring because you have to do mid year reviews but rather from a financial point

For me 600 a day is 150k which you can optimise tax wise. Take small salary buy a BTL in company name etc

You have a lot to learn...

HTH....

[northernladuk]

It’s me again!! I m genuinely interested if you were given 600 a day or 85k plus 10% bonus which one would you take ?!

I’m not interested in the perm is boring because you have to do mid year reviews but rather from a financial point

For me 600 a day is 150k which you can optimise tax wise. Take small salary buy a BTL in company name etc

And when the market falls through and ir35 hits. How much are you earning as a contractor sitting in a bench?