What happened to bobbification and outsourcing?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Been wondering about this a lot recently - perm salaries have gone through the roof for developers, genuine roles for say .net developers around 45-50k in the north west?!

I have a friend of mine who owns a company and he can't find any half decent .net developers for 45k. I have tried asking my contacts if they would be interested (including some past colleagues from Lithuania) and they won't even move here for effectively doubling their income. Then I look online and see that the average salary is 27,000....

Does IT really pay that well even for non-specialists?

Are the good times coming back or perhaps they are already? I know for sure that I won't be leaving this company until they won't need me anymore as the rate is more than I could have ever imagined when I started contracting nearly 5 years ago....

[vetran]

Maybe ICTs are falling, combination of salary rises in India etc. thanks to Indians buying most of our Industry, slightly tougher immigration rules and disenchantment with results?

lets hope so.

[original PM]

Maybe people are finally realising that decent developers should be considered as professional in a similar way to accountants etc.

Probably after years of getting cheap bug ridden code from overseas and having to pay through the nose for any slight change in a wording of a requirement.

....

fingers crossed.

[SueEllen]

You have answered your own post:

I have a friend of mine who owns a company and he can't find any half decent .net developers for 45k.

And

I have tried asking my contacts if they would be interested (including some past colleagues from Lithuania) and they won't even move here for effectively doubling their income.

Added to the fact:
1. British Computer Science graduates are not likely to find employment in the field so aren't being trained up.
2. The cost of living in the UK is high where there are jobs

Oh and I've forgot the Bobs I've worked alongside have hated it in the UK because they have had to do all their own domestic chores and it rains all the time.

[BlasterBates]

Everyone's got the wrong end of the stick when they see outsourcing, offshorers and onshores that it means jobs go.

This is not how economies work.

An economy is not like a cake with a fixed size where when strangers come in and "steal jobs".

What your seeing now is typically what happens when globalisation takes off. i.e. India and China get richer and richer, and "the cake" gets bigger and bigger.

The UK is becoming a hot spot for IT development, i.e. people coming in from outside are growing the UK IT industry, who are supplying stuff all over the world.

Figures reveal computer science graduates earn best wages after university | Daily Mail Online
Globalisation ......that's what it is ...and it makes us all rich

[vetran]

Everyone's got the wrong end of the stick when they see outsourcing, offshorers and onshores that it means jobs go.

This is not how economies work.

An economy is not like a cake with a fixed size where when strangers come in and "steal jobs".

What your seeing now is typically what happens when globalisation takes off. i.e. India and China get richer and richer, and "the cake" gets bigger and bigger.

The UK is becoming a hot spot for IT development, i.e. people coming in from outside are growing the UK IT industry, who are supplying stuff all over the world.

Figures reveal computer science graduates earn best wages after university | Daily Mail Online
Globalisation ......that's what it is ...and it makes us all rich

No what happens is you get bigger booms and busts.

The speed of globalisation was accelerated thanks to recent bobification, the workforce had little time to adjust.

It makes some people rich.

No one is suggesting we can avoid Globalisation but opening the borders and letting our industry be carried away wasn't a good idea.

You know the UK was at the forefront of software development before 1997?

Your share of Pie by the way is limited by resources and the amount of people wanting a slice. So now a few billion more people want the same slice of pie as you, they are happy to take some of yours.

The Pie takes a while to grow and yes long term you may well find everyone gets an equal share and we all live happily ever after. But long term is in decades.

[Basil Fawlty]

Your share of Pie by the way is limited by resources and the amount of people wanting a slice. So now a few billion more people want the same slice of pie as you, they are happy to take some of yours.

Have you had problems finding contracts since the advent of off-shoring/outsourcing ?

[vetran]

Have you had problems finding contracts since the advent of off-shoring/outsourcing ?

I and many others did in 2003 at its height I went into a permie job a year later. Pity I was subbing out to 2 people but there wasn't quite enough to keep me working.

[BlasterBates]

I and many others did in 2003 at its height I went into a permie job a year later. Pity I was subbing out to 2 people but there wasn't quite enough to keep me working.

That was nothing to do with outsourcing.

That was a bursting Internet bubble.

Far more people coming to the UK than in 2003, and yet longterm unemployment is approx. 2% and the contractor market is booming with high rates and high salaries.

So the pie is obviously growing very fast and everyone seems to be living happily ever after.

[zemoxyl]

That was nothing to do with outsourcing.
Far more people coming to the UK than in 2003, and yet longterm unemployment is approx. 2% and the contractor market is booming with high rates and high salaries.

"contractor market is booming with high rates and high salaries" . You got any evidence of that? Yep there sure is a demand for some skills bu booming? Really?