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    Apple 'failing to protect Chinese factory workers'

    Evading taxes at every opportune, exploiting workers until they drop, America! America! America!

    How Apple can defend this position that exploits so many is no different from say Ralph Lauren making me undies in Bangladesh. It's all about greed. And why is it always American companies?

    BBC News - Apple 'failing to protect Chinese factory workers'

    Apple 'failing to protect Chinese factory workers'

    18 December 2014 Last updated at 18:27 GMT By Richard Bilton BBC Panorama
    Richard Bilton reports from Shanghai: ''An exhausted workforce''

    Poor treatment of workers in Chinese factories which make Apple products has been discovered by an undercover BBC Panorama investigation.

    Filming on an iPhone 6 production line showed Apple's promises to protect workers were routinely broken.

    It found standards on workers' hours, ID cards, dormitories, work meetings and juvenile workers were being breached at the Pegatron factories.

    Apple said it strongly disagreed with the programme's conclusions.

    Exhausted workers were filmed falling asleep on their 12-hour shifts at the Pegatron factories on the outskirts of Shanghai.

    One undercover reporter, working in a factory making parts for Apple computers, had to work 18 days in a row despite repeated requests for a day off.

    Another reporter, whose longest shift was 16 hours, said: "Every time I got back to the dormitories, I wouldn't want to move.

    "Even if I was hungry I wouldn't want to get up to eat. I just wanted to lie down and rest. I was unable to sleep at night because of the stress."

    'Continuous improvement'
    Apple declined to be interviewed for the programme, but said in a statement: "We are aware of no other company doing as much as Apple to ensure fair and safe working conditions.

    "We work with suppliers to address shortfalls, and we see continuous and significant improvement, but we know our work is never done."

    Apple said it was a very common practice for workers to nap during breaks, but it would investigate any evidence they were falling asleep while working.

    It said it monitored the working hours of more than a million workers and that staff at Pegatron were averaging 55 hours a week.

    Find out more
    Panorama
    Watch Panorama: Apple's Broken Promises on BBC One on 18 December at 21:00 GMT or later on the BBC iPlayer.
    The poor conditions in Chinese factories were highlighted in 2010 when 14 workers killed themselves at Apple's biggest supplier, Foxconn.

    Following the suicides, Apple published a set of standards spelling out how factory workers should be treated. It also moved some of its production work to Pegatron's factories on the outskirts of Shanghai.

    But Panorama's undercover reporters found that these standards were routinely breached on the factory floor.

    Overtime is supposed to be voluntary, but none of the reporters were offered any choice. In addition to the excessive hours, one reporter had to attend unpaid meetings before and after work. Another reporter was housed in a dormitory where 12 workers shared a cramped room.

    Apple says the dormitory overcrowding has now been resolved and that it requires suppliers to retroactively pay workers if it finds they haven't been paid for work meetings.

    Pegatron said it was carefully investigating Panorama's claims and would take all necessary action if any deficiencies were found at their facilities.

    "Worker safety and well-being are our top priorities. We set very high standards, conduct rigorous training for managers and workers, and have external auditors regularly visiting our facilities to find areas for improvement," a statement said.

    Dangerous conditions
    Panorama also travelled further down Apple's supply chain to the Indonesian island of Bangka.

    Apple says it is dedicated to the ethical sourcing of minerals, but the programme found evidence that tin from illegal mines could be entering its supply chain.

    It found children digging tin ore out by hand in extremely dangerous conditions - miners can be buried alive when the walls of sand or mud collapse.

    RiantoRainto, 12, said he was worried about landslides
    Twelve-year-old Rianto was working with his dad at the bottom of a 70-foot cliff of sand. He said: "I worry about landslides. The earth slipping from up there to the bottom. It could happen."

    Panorama tracked down a gang who collect tin from the area where Rianto was working. One of them said they sold tin to a smelter on Apple's list of suppliers.

    Johan Murod, who runs one of the smelters on Apple's list, said 70% of the tin that is exported comes from the small-scale mines.

    "At the smelter there's everything from both large and small scale mines. It's all mixed. There's no way to know what is legal and what is illegal."

    Apple says it is a complex situation on Bangka with tens of thousands of miners selling tin through many middle men.

    "The simplest course of action would be for Apple to unilaterally refuse any tin from Indonesian mines. That would be easy for us to do and would certainly shield us from criticism.

    "But that would also be the lazy and cowardly path, since it would do nothing to improve the situation. We have chosen to stay engaged and attempt to drive changes on the ground."

    Watch Panorama: Apple's Broken Promises on BBC One on 18 December at 21:00 GMT or watch later on BBC iPlayer.
    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

    #2
    And why is it always about Apple, when these factories make goods for a whole range of brand-name companies? From Pegatron's own website:
    Pegatron boasts a diversified product line, including motherboards, desktop PCs, notebooks, broadband, wireless systems, game consoles, networking equipment, Set-top boxes, multimedia, LCD TVs, and more.

    Quite a few things on that list that Apple don't make; but journalists know that "Mistreatment of workers at factory making TV components for LG/PC components for Dell/phones for Samsung" just doesn't generate the same amount of buzz around a story as getting Apple in the headline.

    Not trying to defend Apple, who have clearly fallen down on their responsibility to put a stop to these kinds of conditions at their suppliers; but the other companies whose goods are made under the same conditions in the room next door should also be named and shamed. But then concerned Westerners wouldn't be able to buy any electronic goods whatsoever, as they all come from places like this, or some of their components do, which is why we can buy them so cheaply in the first place

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      #3
      Other companies that use Chinese factories don't come out with hypocritical ethical statements day on day and promote their products as a force for world good. Their whole marketing pitch since the IBM 1984 advert has been based around freedom and against corporate evil.

      Also Apple are the largest and most profitable tech hardware company in the world, they set the pace and working conditions for much of the industry in China, they exploit the most.

      For these reasons Apple were right to be singled out.

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        #4
        Originally posted by minestrone View Post
        Other companies that use Chinese factories don't come out with hypocritical ethical statements day on day and promote their products as a force for world good. Their whole marketing pitch since the IBM 1984 advert has been based around freedom and against corporate evil.

        Also Apple are the largest and most profitable tech hardware company in the world, they set the pace and working conditions for much of the industry in China, they exploit the most.

        For these reasons Apple were right to be singled out.

        "As a global company with approximately160,000 employees and operations in 61 countries worldwide, Samsung Electronics is fully committed to complying with local laws and regulations as well as applying a strict global code of conduct to all employees. It believes that ethical management is not only a tool for responding to the rapid changes in the global business environment, but also a vehicle for building trust with its various stakeholders including customers, shareholders, employees, business partners, and local communities. With an aim to become one of the most ethical companies in the world that is respected by its stakeholders, Samsung Electronics continues to train its employees and operate monitoring systems, while practicing fair and transparent corporate management."
        - http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsu..._ofConduct.pdf

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          #5
          Admittedly Apple do seem to get picked on, possibly more than other companies, but just enter 'samsung workers' into Google and there are the same stories for them in the mainstream press. In fact I suspect if you did it for many other companies you would get the same results. I think its a bit of a dog eat dog situation, they're not employess of Apple or other companies so why should Apple really care yet because Apple, and other companies are seen as 'responsible' they get the blame rather than Foxconn or whoever...
          Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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            #6
            Originally posted by NickFitz View Post
            And why is it always about Apple, when these factories make goods for a whole range of brand-name companies? From Pegatron's own website:
            Pegatron boasts a diversified product line, including motherboards, desktop PCs, notebooks, broadband, wireless systems, game consoles, networking equipment, Set-top boxes, multimedia, LCD TVs, and more.

            Quite a few things on that list that Apple don't make; but journalists know that "Mistreatment of workers at factory making TV components for LG/PC components for Dell/phones for Samsung" just doesn't generate the same amount of buzz around a story as getting Apple in the headline.

            Not trying to defend Apple, who have clearly fallen down on their responsibility to put a stop to these kinds of conditions at their suppliers; but the other companies whose goods are made under the same conditions in the room next door should also be named and shamed. But then concerned Westerners wouldn't be able to buy any electronic goods whatsoever, as they all come from places like this, or some of their components do, which is why we can buy them so cheaply in the first place
            Exactly.

            But why stop at the Chinese factories, why not go down the supply chain to the mines in Africa.

            A bit sick an tired of all the hypocrites bitching about poor working conditions in Asia, yet keep buying products produced there all the time putting the blame on Apple and the like. And the efing journalists only fuel the fire with one sided publications like the one above.

            Have you ever considered that the so called "poor" working conditions are way better than what Millions of Chinese are living/working in, in the rural areas? The workers are not slaves, no one chained them to the supply lines, they chose that as it's much better than the alternative. If they are breaking the Chinese labor laws - it's up to the Chinese government to resolve, not you, not me, not Apple.

            The other hypocrisy of the "Western" world is to condemn such practices and tries to meddle in foreign countries politics "for the good of the people". Yet when the same people they claim are "looking after" arrive at their shores, seeking better life and working conditions, everyone starts shouting - "Oh noes, immigrants, stop them, they took our jobs". Well you can't have it both ways.

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              #7
              Originally posted by sal View Post

              The other hypocrisy of the "Western" world is to condemn such practices and tries to meddle in foreign countries politics "for the good of the people". Yet when the same people they claim are "looking after" arrive at their shores, seeking better life and working conditions, everyone starts shouting - "Oh noes, immigrants, stop them, they took our jobs". Well you can't have it both ways.

              of course you can if the western governments impose and police minimum working standards then we wouldn't be able to by tat built by slaves. Immigration is of course a completely different argument.
              Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                #8
                Originally posted by vetran View Post
                of course you can if the western governments impose and police minimum working standards then we wouldn't be able to by tat built by slaves. Immigration is of course a completely different argument.
                And who gives us the right to impose or police conditions in foreign countries?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by sal View Post
                  And who gives us the right to impose or police conditions in foreign countries?
                  nothing wrong with having conditions on imports, apply a green tariff and a fair employee tariff.
                  Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sal View Post
                    And who gives us the right to impose or police conditions in foreign countries?
                    We should not. But we should refuse to buy their products until they comply with proper standards.

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