Permie salaries - In IT why would you ever accept them?

**SueEllen** · 18 January 2015, 11:39

People take them because they want steady permanent work.

However those companies who set up in the SE within commuting distance to London are aware they are competing with London so often offer higher salaries.

**MarillionFan** · 18 January 2015, 11:39

Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post

Seems to me, outside of London, a very senior developer with many many years of experience in the latest in demand skills commands about £40K tops.

For this they would expect a graduate educated, professionally qualified world leading guru who lives and breathes IT with all the fasionable buzzwords on their CV, willing to work long hours and every weekend for a slice of pizza.

I know painters and decorators who can't even read or write who earn more than that. I know heating engineers who fit boilers who earn double that.

Why would anyone with in IT consider these types of salaries? I know the Bobs have destroyed the pay in IT, but who takes these salaries seriously?

Well, if what you said was true '40K tops outside of London' then I'd agree. But as you're wrong(we pay all ours 70k basic outside of London & we have about 100), I cannot really argue the point with you.

**DimPrawn** · 18 January 2015, 11:42

The head of software development would struggle to get £70K. Would be outsourced to a Bob for $10 an hour.

I think what would surprise people is how much non-IT is paying. For example a bricklayer gets £500 a day now.

**scooterscot** · 18 January 2015, 11:43

There's a difference, you know what it's like on the other side, many don't.

**NotAllThere** · 18 January 2015, 11:48

I took a permie salary in 2000, because I was persuade to go to an interview, and when they asked me how much I wanted, I quoted a stupidly high amount. They then offered me a job at a management level that attracted that salary. The bastards.

**lilelvis2000** · 18 January 2015, 12:34

Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post

The head of software development would struggle to get £70K. Would be outsourced to a Bob for $10 an hour.

I think what would surprise people is how much non-IT is paying. For example a bricklayer gets £500 a day now.

In the UK yes IT salaries have always IMHO been lower than what they should be. Hence a heck of a lot of brain drain to the US. Its a young man's game and they're quite happy to earn £24K with a 10 years experience in all the latest goodies.

Get beyond 45 and just try and get a job. Doesn't happen.

**AtW** · 18 January 2015, 13:59

Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post

For example a bricklayer gets £500 a day now.

Big margins in building new houses.

**MarillionFan** · 18 January 2015, 14:09

Originally posted by AtW View Post

Big margins in building new houses.

He doesn't half talk a lot of crap.

Painter / Decorator - 70-150 depending on where you are
Chippy - 100 - 175 depending on where you are
Electrician 175 - 300 depending on where you are
Plumber 175- 300 depending on where you are
Bricklayer 150 - 250 depending on where you are

The problem with Dim and (formally Sas) is that they think when they get a quote to put up a new shed or fit out the bathroom, that 500 quid a day is how much they should be paying.

Mugs

**AtW** · 18 January 2015, 14:12

Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post

The problem with Dim and (formally Sas) is that they think when they get a quote to put up a new shed or fit out the bathroom, that 500 quid a day is how much they should be paying. Mugs

Aye.

It's like thinking solicitor who charges you £200 per hour for work is making 350k per annum.

I doubt very much either of them would choose to work outdoors under rain and cold as bricklayer or some such even if it makes them double the money.

Permie salaries - In IT why would you ever accept them?