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lilikins1
27th February 2015, 12:41
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

BrilloPad
27th February 2015, 12:57
Are you in contact with NTRT?

Old Kent Road
5th March 2015, 20:52
Are you in contact with NTRT?

Some of our members are also members of NTRT, and DR has PM'd me about the Pinsent Mason question.

I can confirm Pinsent Mason are not supporting a group of Sanzar scheme users.

wozzy
1st May 2015, 07:29
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

What is the situation now because it looks like these crooks (which they are) are going to get their money?

Things were rosey way back 2008-2009 and prior to that date but times have changed and I no longer work in IT and quite honestly out of the work as I write this message.

I have until the end of July to make a full payment which I obviously can not pay and as I understand you have a further 30 days in which case they will add 5% and this goes on for how long I do not know, so I'll find this amount increasing beyond any reach and selling the house is not an option.

I'm sure they are others in my predicament.

Any advice would be appreciated

Penguin
1st May 2015, 09:04
Hi all,

I am aware of this group, however I have joined the BIG GROUP as I don't have the lump sum to stump up at the moment for this group. The BIG GROUP upfront cost at £50 and then a monthly payment is more manageable for me. However I totally understand the need for the upfront payment on this group.

What I am not clear on is whether both groups will be fighting the same issues?

Does anyone have a clear view of both groups? I don't give away any information that I shouldn't!!

Thanks
Penguin

webberg
1st May 2015, 11:16
Hi all,

I am aware of this group, however I have joined the BIG GROUP as I don't have the lump sum to stump up at the moment for this group. The BIG GROUP upfront cost at £50 and then a monthly payment is more manageable for me. However I totally understand the need for the upfront payment on this group.

What I am not clear on is whether both groups will be fighting the same issues?

Does anyone have a clear view of both groups? I don't give away any information that I shouldn't!!

Thanks
Penguin

Thanks for this.

The BIG GROUP exists to find common ground and argument across all schemes and to identify and promote particular analysis to HMRC for the benefit of all.

That work may (passive tense not imperative) identify a means to delay APN's.

However, any APN due before say the end of May is unlikely to benefit and needs to be dealt with individually.

I'm aware that some providers have "template" letters requesting delay whilst representation is made. I've not seen these but can guess at some of the points.

I do NOT have a template letter. BIG GROUP does not have a letter.

Hope this helps.

wozzy
4th May 2015, 10:57
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

I was with Sanzar between 2008-2009...Can I have PM rights please?

Kind regards

Mick

fairgrounds
4th May 2015, 21:45
Hi,
Im new to this and Im not sure whats HMRC is trying to get out of this APN issuance and etc.. Well it's money ofcourse!

I think Human rights does not cover UKs tax governance as it is individual government's jurisdiction (so they say) when it comes to tax matters. Does that mean HMRC can pull ideas out of air and just throw them at individuals to get what they want to? Most of these promoters now changed their names and vanished in to thin air and I feel they were either intimidated by the HMRC or were given some incentives to disappear, I know I cannot prove it, so cannot HMRC. By the way HMRC if you're eavesdropping these threads (who am i Kidding), did you realise that all the EBT loans are payable in 56 years as per small print? So I guess HMRC will have to wait and see if all EBT users (DOTAS as per HMRC) would be paying off these loans in that time. You know all this APN issuance is going to go wrong big time with negative implications to the HMRC in long term and to the APN recipients in the short term. A personal tragedy in relation to APN is all needed to get HMRC to go wrong at all levels with hefty penalties from the courts as this APN regime may not meet the legalities that HMRC did not consider (im not giving away) in hurry.

Berner
14th May 2015, 09:47
Hi

I would be interested in joining this scheme as I have received an APN for my time with Sanzar 2008/09. My deadline to pay is mid July. If you could let me have the details I would be grateful.

Regards

Berner

lilikins1
14th May 2015, 10:25
What is the situation now because it looks like these crooks (which they are) are going to get their money?

Things were rosey way back 2008-2009 and prior to that date but times have changed and I no longer work in IT and quite honestly out of the work as I write this message.

I have until the end of July to make a full payment which I obviously can not pay and as I understand you have a further 30 days in which case they will add 5% and this goes on for how long I do not know, so I'll find this amount increasing beyond any reach and selling the house is not an option.

I'm sure they are others in my predicament.

Any advice would be appreciated


Hello please email Old Kent Road with proof that you are a scheme user and proof of ID. You will then be given access to the private forum for scheme users

lilikins1
14th May 2015, 10:28
Hi

I would be interested in joining this scheme as I have received an APN for my time with Sanzar 2008/09. My deadline to pay is mid July. If you could let me have the details I would be grateful.

Regards

Berner

Please email Old Kent Road proof that you were part of these schemes and proof of ID - once checks are complete you will be given access to the private forum

jonnieboy
14th May 2015, 12:46
Hi - I was a Garraway member from Nov '11 to May '14.

I have had a couple of letters 'fishing' for information but no formal notice of an APN as yet. I was wondering if anyone else has had APN notification for 12/13 or 13/14?

I don't think I have PM rights yet - long-time lurker, only second post.

jonnieboy
26th May 2015, 12:27
No-one has? Or no-one wants to comment?

lilikins1
27th May 2015, 11:23
No-one has? Or no-one wants to comment?

Please contact the administrator to get PM rights Cojack is one of them. Once you have PM rights send a menssage to OKR (Old Kent Road) to start the vetting process

administrator
27th May 2015, 11:48
Hi - I was a Garraway member from Nov '11 to May '14.

I have had a couple of letters 'fishing' for information but no formal notice of an APN as yet. I was wondering if anyone else has had APN notification for 12/13 or 13/14?

I don't think I have PM rights yet - long-time lurker, only second post.

Sorry, missed this one as wasn't subscribed to this forum. I am now and I have also checked and you do now have PM access.

WalterWhite
2nd June 2015, 08:58
Morning, long-time lurker here.

Why are we not doing something to bring down IQ and Winchester - they are still selling schemes but refusing to help us!

I even had a mailshot from them trying to promote their new scheme, yet when i ask for help with my tax bill all I get is "speak to Contractor Helpdesk"

jonnieboy
2nd June 2015, 09:30
Sorry, missed this one as wasn't subscribed to this forum. I am now and I have also checked and you do now have PM access.

Thank you - am now in contact with OKR

Ruminator
23rd July 2015, 23:53
I've just received letters from HMRC re. my SA Tax Returns FY11/12 and 12/13 when I was using IQ Contracts and Darwin-Pay/Partnership. I'd like to join a group but how do you PM in this forum?

Safe
27th July 2015, 11:54
I've just received letters from HMRC re. my SA Tax Returns FY11/12 and 12/13 when I was using IQ Contracts and Darwin-Pay/Partnership. I'd like to join a group but how do you PM in this forum?

Hi,

What the letters are saying? I received similar letters for 11 12 and 12 13 tax years. I was with Garraway until Q3 2012. HMRC asking confirm if I have used tax avoidance and how much loan I have received/ re-paid. Also they are saying" they believe that there MAY BE inaccuracy in my tax return and giving me 4 weeks time to reply and provide the information. In my opinion they are out of time for 11 12 and 12 13 tax years however they can open discovery.

Rgds,
Safe

Old Kent Road
27th July 2015, 17:27
I've just received letters from HMRC re. my SA Tax Returns FY11/12 and 12/13 when I was using IQ Contracts and Darwin-Pay/Partnership. I'd like to join a group but how do you PM in this forum?

Use the Contact Us link at bottom right of this page to ask the Administrator for PM rights.

Or wait until the Administrator spots your request.

Or you may have it already if you can see Private Messages menu in top left of page.

sklw
3rd August 2015, 21:54
I have PM rights now so how do I join the group?


As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

cojak
4th August 2015, 06:36
If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

Click on Lilikins name, there'll be an option to send him a message.

Ruminator
7th August 2015, 12:21
Click on Lilikins name, there'll be an option to send him a message.

Hello, nice pic Cojak. I'm an IQ Contracts/ Darwin 11/12 & 12/13'er and have received some nosey letters. Could you please give me PM mandate so that I can contact Lilikins.

Thank you.

Ruminator
7th August 2015, 12:29
Ahhh, how do you reply to a post, how do you get PM enabled...?

Ruminator
13th August 2015, 06:27
Hi,

What the letters are saying? I received similar letters for 11 12 and 12 13 tax years. I was with Garraway until Q3 2012. HMRC asking confirm if I have used tax avoidance and how much loan I have received/ re-paid. Also they are saying" they believe that there MAY BE inaccuracy in my tax return and giving me 4 weeks time to reply and provide the information. In my opinion they are out of time for 11 12 and 12 13 tax years however they can open discovery.

Rgds,
Safe

"Self-Assessment Tax Return for year ended 5th April 2012"
"I have reason to believe that there may be an inaccuracy in your 2011-12 tax return as you have reclassified income as loans and treated the loans as non-taxable. I am now carrying out a check so that I can confirm the amount of tax you should have paid. To help me with my check, please let me know how much you received in loans from your employer or employers or related company or trust in the period --- and identify the employer(s) or arrangements."
I replied providing the requested info. yesterday.

cliffordthedog
13th August 2015, 06:47
Ruminator
I'm not certain that you needed to have responded to that request for information.
Many people with more experience than I are suggesting that this is a HMRC phishing exercise.
CTD

webberg
13th August 2015, 08:55
"Self-Assessment Tax Return for year ended 5th April 2012"
"I have reason to believe that there may be an inaccuracy in your 2011-12 tax return as you have reclassified income as loans and treated the loans as non-taxable. I am now carrying out a check so that I can confirm the amount of tax you should have paid. To help me with my check, please let me know how much you received in loans from your employer or employers or related company or trust in the period --- and identify the employer(s) or arrangements."
I replied providing the requested info. yesterday.

I would suggest that HMRC has no authority here and if they think they do, then ask them to prove it.

Otherwise, supply what you are legally obliged to but otherwise remain polite and professional but refuse "requests" unless backed by statute.

topgazza
14th September 2015, 23:32
I would suggest that HMRC has no authority here and if they think they do, then ask them to prove it.

Otherwise, supply what you are legally obliged to but otherwise remain polite and professional but refuse "requests" unless backed by statute.

So how do you reply to such a request ? You can't exactly tell them to get lost ..however politely :-)

What gets me in all this is that these loans attract interest however its applied. And the loans are repayable upon demand. So do you claim a tax rebate should that happen ? My house is joint owned with my wife and I'm really concerned that I would be forced to sell to meet any tax demands as I don't have the cash...its really scaring me to be honest. No APN or enquiry yet but its only a matter of time I guess

shaunb
22nd September 2015, 13:54
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

i was with darwin and have received an APN which i now have 90 days to sort out but i cannot pay it

shaunb
22nd September 2015, 15:11
Hi all,

I am aware of this group, however I have joined the BIG GROUP as I don't have the lump sum to stump up at the moment for this group. The BIG GROUP upfront cost at £50 and then a monthly payment is more manageable for me. However I totally understand the need for the upfront payment on this group.

What I am not clear on is whether both groups will be fighting the same issues?

Does anyone have a clear view of both groups? I don't give away any information that I shouldn't!!

Thanks
Penguin

Can you please explain what the BIG Group is and what the do and how do i join as i am in the same boat as you

regron
22nd September 2015, 15:42
Can you please explain what the BIG Group is and what the do and how do i join as i am in the same boat as you

WTT Consulting | Tax Enquiry Specialists | London (http://www.wttconsulting.co.uk/#!big-group/ci09)

bytetone
11th October 2015, 21:33
I would suggest that HMRC has no authority here and if they think they do, then ask them to prove it.

Otherwise, supply what you are legally obliged to but otherwise remain polite and professional but refuse "requests" unless backed by statute.

I have received the same sort of request from HMRC for years 2011-12 and 2012-13, when I was with Darwin which became IQ Contracts. I have contacted CHS who advise to ignore the letters. I am starting to get worried as HMRC have so much power now and there does not seem to be any defence. I see that connected with WTT and Big Group. Simple question, is this an area that the Big Group can advise on and help understand my liability.

Steve

DotasScandal
12th October 2015, 08:28
I have received the same sort of request from HMRC for years 2011-12 and 2012-13, when I was with Darwin which became IQ Contracts. I have contacted CHS who advise to ignore the letters. I am starting to get worried as HMRC have so much power now and there does not seem to be any defence. I see that connected with WTT and Big Group. Simple question, is this an area that the Big Group can advise on and help understand my liability.
Steve

Yes.

jbryce
12th October 2015, 18:02
Yes.
Whilst I don't doubt that CHS will give the most appropriate advice. I would make the point that they also supported Sanzar users. They recommended settlement, regarded that as their final world and then ceased support.

CHS support all of the schemes from the same stable, one may wonder if their advice is strictly impartial.

I, like many others, have spoken to several experts. None have recommended settlement, all recommended pay the APN and wait.

Join the BigGroup.

webberg
13th October 2015, 17:35
I have received the same sort of request from HMRC for years 2011-12 and 2012-13, when I was with Darwin which became IQ Contracts. I have contacted CHS who advise to ignore the letters. I am starting to get worried as HMRC have so much power now and there does not seem to be any defence. I see that connected with WTT and Big Group. Simple question, is this an area that the Big Group can advise on and help understand my liability.

Steve

NEVER IGNORE HMRC LETTERS

Even if you go back and say "I don't know what to do and am getting help, please wait" that's fine.

HMRC does NOT send letters just for fun. They have a process driven by law and internal systems. the process is designed to extract tax from you. Ignoring the letters just means that the juggernaut arrives on your doorstep one morning with a nice brown envelope and a bloody big stick.

get advice

bytetone
16th October 2015, 07:56
NEVER IGNORE HMRC LETTERS

Even if you go back and say "I don't know what to do and am getting help, please wait" that's fine.

HMRC does NOT send letters just for fun. They have a process driven by law and internal systems. the process is designed to extract tax from you. Ignoring the letters just means that the juggernaut arrives on your doorstep one morning with a nice brown envelope and a bloody big stick.

get advice

Hi, I have now contacted them by telephone and apologised that had not replied. To be honest they did not seem too worried and have given me until Nov 11th to reply with the information requested. This weekend plan to sign up to the Big Group, hopefully they will provide assistance on how I should reply. I have documentation from the scheme provider to say that not DOTAS and do not need to provide a P11D, not surprisingly the provider has gone. Therefore if I have followed the advice of scheme provider I should not receive penalities - is it my fault? . However these providers appear again under a different name, so what is the score, HMRC not interested in chasing them.

Steve

regron
16th October 2015, 08:22
Therefore if I have followed the advice of scheme provider I should not receive penalities - is it my fault?


As you are personally responsible for your own tax affairs, HMRC will not let it wash that you just followed advice from your provider. They have sort of given you some leniency by extending the deadline to provide the information they requested. That is about as much sympathy you will get from HMRC !! Even if your provider is still around in some context or form, get independent, professional advice. Big Group is a good start and extremely good value for money in my opinion.

bluemonkey71
16th October 2015, 11:30
Hi, I have now contacted them by telephone and apologised that had not replied. To be honest they did not seem too worried and have given me until Nov 11th to reply with the information requested. This weekend plan to sign up to the Big Group, hopefully they will provide assistance on how I should reply. I have documentation from the scheme provider to say that not DOTAS and do not need to provide a P11D, not surprisingly the provider has gone. Therefore if I have followed the advice of scheme provider I should not receive penalities - is it my fault? . However these providers appear again under a different name, so what is the score, HMRC not interested in chasing them.

Steve

What's non Dotas got to do with not supplying a P11D?

PBTs are in their sights now be warned.

LandRover
16th October 2015, 11:48
What's non Dotas got to do with not supplying a P11D?

PBTs are in their sights now be warned.

I think most understand what is happening without the dramatic "be warned" tone:grin

bluemonkey71
16th October 2015, 15:14
Well you'd hope so.

jbryce
16th October 2015, 18:21
Well you'd hope so.

Make sure you reply to HMRC, but get advice before you do so. It may be that their request for information is taking the p155, or it may be entirely reasonable. Ask a professional.
Personally, I wish HMRC would try and target the schemes that are still running instead of playing catch up. Given the change to Dotas rules which will get rid of Grandfathering their can't be many of these schemes that really are non-Dotas now.

bytetone
16th October 2015, 19:40
What's non Dotas got to do with not supplying a P11D?

PBTs are in their sights now be warned.

What I meant is the P11D for that year did now actually state that there was a loan, it showed before and after the year that loan was same. It stated a Benefit in Kind which I put on my self assessment. So I have filled out the self-assessment to the best of my knowledge with guidance from provider. I have not tried to hide anything.

HMRC are now requesting more information for the year 2011/12, before the 4 year cut off. I am currently filling application for Big Group, to see how I should respond.

Be warned - dont worry I know the score. I know there will be a demand for money coming, just want to delay it as long as possible and it to be a fair or even better zero (agree that wont happen)

steve

DotasScandal
16th October 2015, 22:36
Well you'd hope so.

You'd be surprised.

tax is taxing
13th November 2015, 13:25
Dear Fellow Sanzarians,

Sanzar group users are considering applying for Judicial review and are in discussion with Pinsent Mason Law firm.

If you still haven't joined the the private forum, please PM Old Kent Road in this forum.

As this is a time critical step, you need to consider this quickly.

tails007
17th December 2015, 00:20
Have just pmd. Can I please be granted access. Appear to be in the same situation.

Thanks.

Difaroo
3rd January 2016, 21:56
@tax is taxing / Old Kent Road - I was with Sanzar and Garraway 10-11, 11-12 - can I get PM rights - many thanks in advance.

recon99
20th January 2016, 22:03
Old Kent Road - I was Garraway 11-12 looking for PM rights thanks

administrator
20th January 2016, 22:59
Old Kent Road - I was Garraway 11-12 looking for PM rights thanks

You now have PM access so can send OKR a message. He should get in touch with you to let you know what they are all up to.

deepbluesee
29th January 2016, 21:09
Hi,

I am new to this group.

I was member of IQ from 2011 till 2014.

What should I do next to join this group.

Any help and suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Nocaster
5th February 2016, 08:36
I am now in the position of having received the APN, and now getting phone calls and letters from HMRC demanding the 'tax' from 2009-10 & 2010-11.

I have seen so many 'tax consultants' saying that they can help and frequent links to same, however, given that this is the internet, I have no idea who I can believe or who I can trust.

Should I contact HMRC and accept whatever they demand?:tired

chubacabra
5th February 2016, 09:45
I am now in the position of having received the APN, and now getting phone calls and letters from HMRC demanding the 'tax' from 2009-10 & 2010-11.

I have seen so many 'tax consultants' saying that they can help and frequent links to same, however, given that this is the internet, I have no idea who I can believe or who I can trust.

Should I contact HMRC and accept whatever they demand?:tired

Firstly no I don't think you should just accept what they are saying. Nothing has been proven in any way and they are banking on the fact that people will 'go quietly'.

From my own personal experience I'd suggest joining Big Group. I notice you've posted a few other messages around the forum and people have posted links on how to join so won't repeat.

We're fighting the good fight so will hopefully see you there!

Wibble1
6th February 2016, 10:23
Firstly no I don't think you should just accept what they are saying. Nothing has been proven in any way and they are banking on the fact that people will 'go quietly'.

From my own personal experience I'd suggest joining Big Group. I notice you've posted a few other messages around the forum and people have posted links on how to join so won't repeat.

We're fighting the good fight so will hopefully see you there!

Chubacabra is correct.

This is a well constructed attack by HMRC to force people into submission. Years of tax law backs up what we have done to mitigate our tax exposure. They have not won 1 case to date, they cannot afford to take every individual to court, legislation giving power via APN is their only way of showing a return against the millions it has cost them to date and not 1 of them has been enforced. By that I mean people may have paid the demand but those that have not have not be forced to pay, they will not because it is to dangerous if they get it wrong. Just look art Montpellier who are no claiming costs against incorrectly issued APN's. It will not be long before someone kills themselves over this which will cause a political shit storm. It's all going to come apart and HMRC will fail.

They need to concentrate their efforts to work with the law makers to simplify tax going forward and not try and retrospectively apply their interpretation of what it means.

So we need to hold strong and tell those **** bags to shite off.

nhkblr
8th February 2016, 15:14
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1


Hello,

I would like to be part of this group. Please let me know the process. I have received the Tax Investigation Letter from HRMC. Please let me know if there are anyone else using IQ in this group.

Nocaster
9th February 2016, 19:01
Firstly no I don't think you should just accept what they are saying. Nothing has been proven in any way and they are banking on the fact that people will 'go quietly'.

From my own personal experience I'd suggest joining Big Group. I notice you've posted a few other messages around the forum and people have posted links on how to join so won't repeat.

We're fighting the good fight so will hopefully see you there!

Thanks, I've now joined Big Group and just waiting for my login details. I've since received another letter from Hector threatening bailiffs.

I was with Darwin from late 2009 - Dec 2010

webberg
9th February 2016, 23:13
Thanks, I've now joined Big Group and just waiting for my login details. I've since received another letter from Hector threatening bailiffs.

I was with Darwin from late 2009 - Dec 2010

Big Group aims to get passwords etc out within 48 hours.

However, we're a bit busy and picking members up at about 5 a day so please bear with us.

sklw
10th February 2016, 11:33
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

Is is tios a different group from the BiG Group, if so how do I join ?

PerfectStorm
10th February 2016, 15:28
Had a call from Winchester today, so it would seem they're very much still in the business.

webberg
10th February 2016, 15:57
It's one of the mysteries of this industry that a lot of the people who created the current crop of misery continue to attract business in the face of a hostile and well armed HMRC.

Tax planners have in the past been compared with drug runners and other criminals. Fair?

DonkeyRhubarb
10th February 2016, 16:51
Tax planners have in the past been compared with drug runners and other criminals. Fair?

The one big exception being they never suffer any consequences. It's only the clients who get collared.

Tomandjerry
26th February 2016, 14:30
Garroway closing 11th March.

chubacabra
26th February 2016, 15:44
Tax planners have in the past been compared with drug runners and other criminals. Fair?

Very Fair!

Kind of like Pablo Escobar at the height of his power! The scheme providers are probably burying their money as well!

sandelld
9th March 2016, 11:30
thanks for the info, I'd not thought to look for an independent group previously as my attempts to get Darwin to help were pretty unsuccessful.

Have submitted application to the 'big group' and PM'd OKR.

David

OMG
11th March 2016, 23:07
I am still unsure on how to join the private group created by lilikins. I viewed info about wtt consulting and the big data - is anyone using a tax specialist and if so, could you recommend one? IQ is still operating and selling their scheme(s)....

webberg
14th March 2016, 15:24
I am still unsure on how to join the private group created by lilikins. I viewed info about wtt consulting and the big data - is anyone using a tax specialist and if so, could you recommend one? IQ is still operating and selling their scheme(s)....

As a point of pedantry, WTT Consulting is a tax specialist.

boyomez
26th March 2016, 16:12
As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

I was using the Darwin scheme for 2 months in 2012 now HMRC wants 17k from me in less than 30 days! The 17k is more than I made for the entire 2 months I was with them. These are pure mafia tactics. They letter was dated 9th March. I didn't get it till about a week later. Now they want payment before the 9th of April. I hear people on this forum talking about 90 days to pay up. That's not my experience. I need help because Darwin won't do anything. Please contact me and let me know how to join your scheme and what it costs. Thanks. Boyomez

DotasScandal
26th March 2016, 22:28
I was using the Darwin scheme for 2 months in 2012 now HMRC wants 17k from me in less than 30 days! The 17k is more than I made for the entire 2 months I was with them. These are pure mafia tactics. They letter was dated 9th March. I didn't get it till about a week later. Now they want payment before the 9th of April. I hear people on this forum talking about 90 days to pay up. That's not my experience. I need help because Darwin won't do anything. Please contact me and let me know how to join your scheme and what it costs. Thanks. Boyomez

That's not your experience because you probably got a notice of assessment, while the "90 days" crown got APNs. Being precise about what kind of demand you received would be a good start if you expect assistance.
Anyway, aside the group you are trying to join, there is always Big Group (check the relevant thread).
You need to act quick because you have a limited time for the appeal.

kizzsmyth
9th June 2016, 10:23
Hi there, I am interested in joining this group. I had initially made contact back in October 2014 but never 'officially' registered.
I just wanted to check the private forum is still running and if so do I still need to send proof to Old Kent Road?

Jes1
9th June 2016, 11:07
Hi there, I am interested in joining this group. I had initially made contact back in October 2014 but never 'officially' registered.
I just wanted to check the private forum is still running and if so do I still need to send proof to Old Kent Road?

Which scheme were you with? I would seriously consider joining Big Group.

kizzsmyth
9th June 2016, 11:11
Which scheme were you with? I would seriously consider joining Big Group.

I was with Garraway... I'm looking into Big Group now also! Can't hurt to have as much info as possible I'm guessing.

jonnieboy
10th June 2016, 08:56
I was with Garraway 13/14 - just received my pre-APN letter yesterday. Big Group highly recommended.

TZ46
14th July 2016, 15:34
I have had two year tax returns this week as in in an umbrella company with IQ. My fears are that I will be investigated can someone please advise I would also like to join big group thanks Tariq

TZ46
14th July 2016, 15:40
How do I join big group? It seems like a helpful group to join I need all the help I can get I've been with IQ for 3yrs now I'm really scared of comebacks thanks Tariq






As you may be aware, HMRC are currently conducting enquiries into certain schemes. Sanzar, Garraway, Winchester, Darwin and IQ are among many other schemes that are affected by these enquiries. For Sanzar initially they have requested a large payment is made back to them by each of their users based on a retrospective recalculation of their tax liability.

Under new legislation approved in 2014, HMRC will be able to issue Advance Payment Notices (APN's) for money that they believe is owed to them. Under this new APN concept we will have to pay up the amount within 90 days of receiving this notification without a right to appeal.

We have created a private group where all affected and potentially affected scheme users can join forces to appoint a tax specialist/law firm that will help us understand what our rights are and where we stand legally.

It is important to understand that even if you have not yet received enquiry letters you most probably will in due course and we need to ensure we all come together in order to have some sort of chance of getting a fair treatment.

In order to become part of the private group you will need to provide proof of having been part/or being part of any these schemes.

If you have any questions on the subject please PM myself or Old Kent Road.

Lilikins1

eek
14th July 2016, 15:42
How do I join big group? It seems like a helpful group to join I need all the help I can get I've been with IQ for 3yrs now I'm really scared of comebacks thanks Tariq

The link is WTT Consulting | Tax Enquiry Specialists | London (http://www.wttconsulting.co.uk/#!big-group/ci09)

DotasScandal
14th July 2016, 16:29
Or more simply, www.wttbiggroup.co.uk (http://www.wttbiggroup.co.uk)

stuboy
3rd August 2016, 09:49
I have received an informal enquiry to what loans I received from Garraway for 2014-15 (should of left early I know!) I tried to ping this off to CHS bounced back! I have tried Garraway it seems they have dissolved so lost as to what to do here surely HMRC know what I received via my P11D?? I am a Big Group member but the answer is to chase the promoter.

Cheers
S

webberg
3rd August 2016, 10:09
If you have access to your HMRC gateway, you may be able to find the P11D there. Otherwise a DPA request to HMRC for the P11D is sensible.

stuboy
3rd August 2016, 10:21
If you have access to your HMRC gateway, you may be able to find the P11D there. Otherwise a DPA request to HMRC for the P11D is sensible.

Thanks Webberg I don't have access to the gateway how do I go about a DPA request to HMRC?

DotasScandal
3rd August 2016, 10:42
Thanks Webberg I don't have access to the gateway how do I go about a DPA request to HMRC?

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/DPU_SAR

webberg
3rd August 2016, 11:28
Thanks Webberg I don't have access to the gateway how do I go about a DPA request to HMRC?

Then apply for gateway access and get the process moving. Takes about 3 weeks.

stuboy
3rd August 2016, 12:03
https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/DPU_SAR

thank you!

philinlondon
3rd August 2016, 13:58
I have received an informal enquiry to what loans I received from Garraway for 2014-15 (should of left early I know!) I tried to ping this off to CHS bounced back! I have tried Garraway it seems they have dissolved so lost as to what to do here surely HMRC know what I received via my P11D?? I am a Big Group member but the answer is to chase the promoter.

Cheers
S

I got the same letter and left 2 months within that financial yr. I don't think I have received a P11D from them either, I did receive a p45 from them tho.

stuboy
3rd August 2016, 15:17
I got the same letter and left 2 months within that financial yr. I don't think I have received a P11D from them either, I did receive a p45 from them tho.


doh! I have found an email they sent me last year it has my P45, P60 and P11D. Should I just send my P11D as a reponse to their enquiry?

webberg
3rd August 2016, 15:55
doh! I have found an email they sent me last year it has my P45, P60 and P11D. Should I just send my P11D as a reponse to their enquiry?

Answer the question asked and nothing else.

stuboy
3rd August 2016, 16:10
Answer the question asked and nothing else.

No problem Webberg they won't get nowt else out of me that's for sure!

okletsgiveitago
19th September 2016, 12:28
Hello please email Old Kent Road with proof that you are a scheme user and proof of ID. You will then be given access to the private forum for scheme users

Hi,

Exactly what proof do you require? I was with Darwin/IQ for about 6 months up to the end of 2014 and have recently received a notice to complete a self assessment. I have contacted HMRC and they have informed me that there is a flag on their system saying I have been receiving loan income.

I would like to join the private forum if it is still active.

Regards

Jes1
20th September 2016, 15:21
Hi,

Exactly what proof do you require? I was with Darwin/IQ for about 6 months up to the end of 2014 and have recently received a notice to complete a self assessment. I have contacted HMRC and they have informed me that there is a flag on their system saying I have been receiving loan income.

I would like to join the private forum if it is still active.

Regards

You're better off joining Big Group. I'm an ex Darwin member. I also joined the private forum and there's not much happening there for Darwin members.

pedro111
21st September 2016, 20:12
You're better off joining Big Group. I'm an ex Darwin member. I also joined the private forum and there's not much happening there for Darwin members.

I was also with DarwinPay in 2010/2011, and I would like to join the private forum.

thx.

Jes1
22nd September 2016, 09:30
I was also with DarwinPay in 2010/2011, and I would like to join the private forum.

thx.

Join Big Group. The private forum is going nowhere for Darwin users.

pedro111
3rd October 2016, 16:21
I would like to know if anyone who was with DarwinPay has managed to get their loans written off and settled any Inheritance Tax liability if any.

thank you.