So when will Blair and Bush apologise...

[Euler]

...for their pointless Iraq war that removed a hard man who had the ability to keep on a lid on sectarian tensions.
Naive at best, evil at worst, they've led us directly to ISIS.
To be fair even Cameron wanted to take the war to Assad, another man who, while not the nicest ,at least was able to keep his country together - until his flank was turned in Iraq.
What is it with these polticians - do they read no history, are they stupid or naive, or ist that simply getting in power gives them some unrealistic hubris?

[FatLazyContractor]

Who is John Galt MarillionFan?

[Eirikur]

...for their pointless Iraq war that removed a hard man who had the ability to keep on a lid on sectarian tensions.
Naive at best, evil at worst, they've led us directly to ISIS.
To be fair even Cameron wanted to take the war to Assad, another man who, while not the nicest ,at least was able to keep his country together - until his flank was turned in Iraq.
What is it with these polticians - do they read no history, are they stupid or naive, or ist that simply getting in power gives them some unrealistic hubris?

ISIS is a result of Moscow supporting the Assad regime, has nothing to do with the US led invasion of Iraq.

[Euler]

ISIS is a result of Moscow supporting the Assad regime, has nothing to do with the US led invasion of Iraq.

Bollux. Do you think ISIS would have routed an army led by Saddam and taken so much Iraq territory?
In the Iran-Iraq war the Iraq army was probably still crap, but it never ran away because there were guys at the rear who would shoot you if you did.

[MarillionFan]

Bollux. Do you think ISIS would have routed an army led by Saddam and taken so much Iraq territory?
In the Iran-Iraq war the Iraq army was probably still crap, but it never ran away because there were guys at the rear who would shoot you if you did.

When ISIS find those hidden WMDs then you know it's time to panic and Blair will be vindicated.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Blair is already vindicated - for its the Winners who write History.

If God is with us - who can be against us ?

Tell 'em how it is Winston ...

[Euler]

Tell 'em how it is Winston ...

Quite. Winston had a fine war - not for him rationing or anything so vulgar - chmpagne and fine food the order of the day.
Meanwhile his Chief of Staff, Brooke, had to spend significant time and energy to prevent his hare-brained military ideas from becoming policy.

[xoggoth]

Darn it. Now I have to agree with you!

What is astonishing is their ignorance. You did not even need to have high paid experts at your disposal to know that, when Husain went, there would be conflicts between Shia and Sunni. Remember a bloke in the pub telling me that a few weeks into the war.

Whether it made any difference in the end is a matter of conjecture. Quite likely they would risen have against Hussein as they did against Assad and Gadaffy Duck. But at least we would not have misspent billions and given the extremists an excuse to whip up hatred against us.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Quite. Winston had a fine war - not for him rationing or anything so vulgar - chmpagne and fine food the order of the day.
Meanwhile his Chief of Staff, Brooke, had to spend significant time and energy to prevent his hare-brained military ideas from becoming policy.

Aye Euler

I daresay - hang on isn't that what Chief of Staffs are there for ? Aside bumping into Commanding Officers with clipboards ??!!!

[BrilloPad]

To be fair even Cameron wanted to take the war to Assad

Prime ministers don't care about the UK. They want to make their mark on the world.