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gettingangry
2nd May 2015, 14:25
Does any one have the names and addresses of the people who ran the EBTs.

They all seem to be living nicely off the fees we paid, probably in a nice big mansion on the Isle of Man.

Changing the name of the company is a deliberate attempt to distance themselves from the mess they have landed us in.
They should be handing back our 10%/12.5% fees and we'll promise to pay them back if we ever win our day in court.

They can't afford to pay?? Get a loan, sell you house

Why are we the only ones to suffer?

Tweedle
3rd May 2015, 09:43
Does any one have the names and addresses of the people who ran the EBTs.

They all seem to be living nicely off the fees we paid, probably in a nice big mansion on the Isle of Man.

Changing the name of the company is a deliberate attempt to distance themselves from the mess they have landed us in.
They should be handing back our 10%/12.5% fees and we'll promise to pay them back if we ever win our day in court.

They can't afford to pay?? Get a loan, sell you house

Why are we the only ones to suffer?

Nice thought but the fact is No Chance...
http://forums.contractoruk.com/hmrc-scheme-enquiries/86794-edge-ebt-thread-131.html#post2067898
I'm joining any groups to fight this, but at the end of the day have to accept my status as fodder and put my house up for sale to deal with this sh!t..:suicide:

Parsons
19th May 2015, 13:40
After a call on the weekend with the tax chap appointed by Bedouin it seems any of us who used Bedouin are stuffed as they themselves are not going to be fighting this as they have no case to answer, only the users.

just had to bite the bullet today and agree to pay my penalty for 2011 :(

:ladybags:

foobar
2nd March 2016, 11:49
Today I was contacted by Steven Waters from "thecontractorcompany.co.uk" sniffing about for work. Same Steven Waters who was the Business Development Manager for Redstone which disgracefully abandoned us anybody know?? Email below:

Good Afternoon,

You may or may not be aware that there are big changes ahead for the contractor market yet again. It’s time to act and time is very much of the essence. If you are operating through your own Limited Company you should consider a switch to our enhanced Limited Company Structure which can increase your take home pay by around 15% after all fees and Taxes have been deducted. If you are operating through a scheme where you are declaring the minimum wage as your salary and the remainder is paid out in a loan format (or similar) then you should also consider a switch. Remember that if HMRC ask you 1 simple question, the entire scheme falls down and the loans then become "dependable income” which is turn is then “taxable income”. Please continue to work through this email and the attached documents to see a option available to you.

Who are The Contractor Company?
We are a leading business process outsourcing and professional consultancy service company. We deliver strategic, efficient back-office and consultancy services to companies in a variety of industry sectors. Our outsourcing capabilities and infrastructure allows us to transform and manage critical elements of our clients' processes with measurable results. Service efficiency, quality and flexibility increase customer satisfaction and loyalty.
Leading the way within the marketplace today, TCC is regarded as a partner of choice to key clients within the UK and abroad. Offering elite and unrivalled company back-office support services we pride ourselves in our customer service and providing the client with a key value incentive and a return on investment. We measure and control our total commitment, to ensure that we have adequate time to devote to the needs and requirements of each client, whom we treat as individuals. Personal relationships are important and this forms an essential and important part of our corporate aim.

Accountancy & Bookkeeping Services - a full range of bookkeeping and accounting services for small to mid-sized businesses. Depending on your company’s needs, we partner with you as your bookkeeper, accountant, controller, business advisor, part-time CFO — or the entire department. All of our accounting services and solutions are scalable during periods of peak activity, and then can be scaled back when they are no longer required. By partnering with us to help you manage key non-core functions, you can concentrate efforts on maximizing your core business, which is essential to businesses that are positioned for growth.

Our Focus
We are dedicated to providing excellent customer service to our clients. By listening to and understanding their needs, we are able to use our expert knowledge and integrity to deliver a service package that continually exceeds expectations.

If you have any questions regarding the solutions we offer or the referral schemes we operate I’d be delighted to discuss is greater detail at your convenience.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

Steven Waters
The Contractor Company
<mod snip>
http://ww w.thecontractorcompany.co.uk

LandRover
2nd March 2016, 13:43
Today I was contacted by Steven Waters from "thecontractorcompany.co.uk" sniffing about for work. Same Steven Waters who was the Business Development Manager for Redstone which disgracefully abandoned us anybody know?? Email below:

Good Afternoon,

You may or may not be aware that there are big changes ahead for the contractor market yet again. It’s time to act and time is very much of the essence. If you are operating through your own Limited Company you should consider a switch to our enhanced Limited Company Structure which can increase your take home pay by around 15% after all fees and Taxes have been deducted. If you are operating through a scheme where you are declaring the minimum wage as your salary and the remainder is paid out in a loan format (or similar) then you should also consider a switch. Remember that if HMRC ask you 1 simple question, the entire scheme falls down and the loans then become "dependable income” which is turn is then “taxable income”. Please continue to work through this email and the attached documents to see a option available to you.

Who are The Contractor Company?
We are a leading business process outsourcing and professional consultancy service company. We deliver strategic, efficient back-office and consultancy services to companies in a variety of industry sectors. Our outsourcing capabilities and infrastructure allows us to transform and manage critical elements of our clients&apos; processes with measurable results. Service efficiency, quality and flexibility increase customer satisfaction and loyalty.
Leading the way within the marketplace today, TCC is regarded as a partner of choice to key clients within the UK and abroad. Offering elite and unrivalled company back-office support services we pride ourselves in our customer service and providing the client with a key value incentive and a return on investment. We measure and control our total commitment, to ensure that we have adequate time to devote to the needs and requirements of each client, whom we treat as individuals. Personal relationships are important and this forms an essential and important part of our corporate aim.

Accountancy & Bookkeeping Services - a full range of bookkeeping and accounting services for small to mid-sized businesses. Depending on your company’s needs, we partner with you as your bookkeeper, accountant, controller, business advisor, part-time CFO — or the entire department. All of our accounting services and solutions are scalable during periods of peak activity, and then can be scaled back when they are no longer required. By partnering with us to help you manage key non-core functions, you can concentrate efforts on maximizing your core business, which is essential to businesses that are positioned for growth.

Our Focus
We are dedicated to providing excellent customer service to our clients. By listening to and understanding their needs, we are able to use our expert knowledge and integrity to deliver a service package that continually exceeds expectations.

If you have any questions regarding the solutions we offer or the referral schemes we operate I’d be delighted to discuss is greater detail at your convenience.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

Steven Waters
The Contractor Company
<mod snip>
http://ww w.thecontractorcompany.co.uk

You would think that HMRC is in cahoots with these people to allow these schemes to keep operating.

Do HMRC enjoy the fact that they will eventually challenge all the people who use these schemes and carpet bomb them with APNs in a few years?

HMRC allowed this fiasco to start in the first place and it appears they will allow it to continue, why?

LisaContractorUmbrella
2nd March 2016, 13:50
You would think that HMRC is in cahoots with these people to allow these schemes to keep operating.

Do HMRC enjoy the fact that they will eventually challenge all the people who use these schemes and carpet bomb them with APNs in a few years?

HMRC allowed this fiasco to start in the first place and it appears they will allow it to continue, why?

HMRC has no feelings. That's all you need to know

DonkeyRhubarb
2nd March 2016, 14:01
HMRC has no feelings. That's all you need to know

They're bloody useless too.

LisaContractorUmbrella
2nd March 2016, 14:08
They're bloody useless too.

You might think that; I couldn't possibly comment

DotasScandal
2nd March 2016, 14:10
HMRC allowed this fiasco to start in the first place and it appears they will allow it to continue, why?

Maybe because it provides HMRC a seemingly endless supply of people from whom to subsequently "extract" by way of APNs funds that they know they are not entitled to.
There, deficit patched.

convict
2nd March 2016, 14:39
There's a feedback/contact form on the website....

DonkeyRhubarb
2nd March 2016, 14:46
Maybe because it provides HMRC a seemingly endless supply of people from whom to subsequently "extract" by way of APNs funds that they know they are not entitled to.
There, deficit patched.

They won't be issuing many APNs for 2015/16 and beyond. APNs have killed off DOTAS. No promoter is going to disclose anymore.

APNs were basically just a one-off smash and grab.

DotasScandal
2nd March 2016, 16:12
They won't be issuing many APNs for 2015/16 and beyond. APNs have killed off DOTAS. No promoter is going to disclose anymore.

APNs were basically just a one-off smash and grab.

Wait until they reveal in the budget (not long to wait now) that the APN regime is being extended to non-DOTAS cases of suspected tax avoidance, where for example (hint, hint) a notice of assessment has been sent.
Not a one-off.

DonkeyRhubarb
2nd March 2016, 16:45
Wait until they reveal in the budget (not long to wait now) that the APN regime is being extended to non-DOTAS cases of suspected tax avoidance, where for example (hint, hint) a notice of assessment has been sent.
Not a one-off.

Possible, I suppose, but unlikely.

In any case, if they were going to clobber non-DOTAS schemes, they'd probably wait 10 years and do it retrospectively. :rolleyes:

DotasScandal
2nd March 2016, 17:10
Possible, I suppose, but unlikely.
In any case, if they were going to clobber non-DOTAS schemes, they'd probably wait 10 years and do it retrospectively. :rolleyes:

What do the bookies say?
I certainly wouldn't put it past Osborne to go full retard with APNs and proclaim the deficit has been patched (on the basis of projected/made-up yield figures)
Personally I think it's very likely.
We shall see soon.

DonkeyRhubarb
3rd March 2016, 07:38
What do the bookies say?
I certainly wouldn't put it past Osborne to go full retard with APNs and proclaim the deficit has been patched (on the basis of projected/made-up yield figures)
Personally I think it's very likely.
We shall see soon.

It's just dawned on me that it's not necessary to extend the APN regime to deal with non-DOTAS schemes.

They can use the existing GAAR to clobber them. See Condition C, point 3.

http://forums.contractoruk.com/hmrc-scheme-enquiries/86794-edge-ebt-thread-181.html#post2214980

webberg
3rd March 2016, 08:57
It's just dawned on me that it's not necessary to extend the APN regime to deal with non-DOTAS schemes.

They can use the existing GAAR to clobber them. See Condition C, point 3.

http://forums.contractoruk.com/hmrc-scheme-enquiries/86794-edge-ebt-thread-181.html#post2214980

It's possible but GAAR comes with all sorts of "safeguards" and will be challenged very hard. Pretty sure that the first one up in the slot (or the first that is advertised) HMRC will want to be a "win". Not sure that a scheme that is one we see here is suitable?

JustAContractor
5th March 2016, 06:53
Anyone been sent letter from HMRC regarding the commercial loan based scheme that Redstone offered post the demise of the EBT schemes.

Post EBTs - it all starts again. Can't handle another two years or more of this after EBTs. Any groups being formed for this scheme and how best to move forward?. I'm now literally broke and not sure how I'll get through this one ;( .

Redstone still promoting the scheme so would almost seem that HMRC are in cahoots with the likes of Redstone to reeling them in and then sting them in the future after all the reassurances we're give.

Any help will be much appreciated.

angryexcontractor
4th April 2016, 14:20
Hi, I've just been sent letter from HMRC regarding tax owed from time as contractor with Bedouin 2011/2012. From these threads can see they are now called Redstone? Has anyone had same letter(s) and how have Bedouin / Redstone reacted?

webberg
4th April 2016, 16:12
Hi, I've just been sent letter from HMRC regarding tax owed from time as contractor with Bedouin 2011/2012. From these threads can see they are now called Redstone? Has anyone had same letter(s) and how have Bedouin / Redstone reacted?

If that "letter" is a discovery assessment, check it carefully as it may be out of date.

Parsons
6th April 2016, 13:59
What's the expiry date of such a letter ? I have had a nasty brown letter through my door also for 11-12.

convict
6th April 2016, 15:53
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/salfmanual/salf411.htm hmrc need to allow postage time so posting on the 5th is a no-no

porrker
16th June 2016, 06:24
I've just received another letter from HMRC asking me for more information before they take me to litigation. Is there a group I can join?

BrilloPad
16th June 2016, 06:29
I've just received another letter from HMRC asking me for more information before they take me to litigation. Is there a group I can join?

Big Group are the best (and only!) game in town. You can find joining instructions at post 1 of this thread :-

http://forums.contractoruk.com/hmrc-scheme-enquiries/106016-big-group.html

They apparently host a very good forum.

Good luck!

DotasScandal
16th June 2016, 08:50
Here: WTT Big Group (http://www.wttbiggroup.co.uk)

PeterF
16th June 2016, 15:05
Big Group are the best (and only!) game in town. You can find joining instructions at post 1 of this thread :-

http://forums.contractoruk.com/hmrc-scheme-enquiries/106016-big-group.html

They apparently host a very good forum.

Good luck!
This is not true. PM forum member 'The Dandy'. There is another group too, though I'm personally unsure of who/what/where. Worth getting as many perspectives as you can.

DotasScandal
16th June 2016, 15:31
This is not true. PM forum member 'The Dandy'. There is another group too, though I'm personally unsure of who/what/where. Worth getting as many perspectives as you can.

Ahem...He did not mean that literally.
:rolleyes: