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Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda

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    Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda

    Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda - Columns - Gaston Gazette

    Exactly

    But the debate is settled. Climate change is a fact,” said President Barack Obama in his 2014 State of the Union address. Saying the debate is settled is nonsense, but the president is right about climate change. GlobalChange.gov gives the definition of climate change: “Changes in average weather conditions that persist over multiple decades or longer. Climate change encompasses both increases and decreases in temperature, as well as shifts in precipitation, changing risk of certain types of severe weather events, and changes to other features of the climate system.” That definition covers all weather phenomena throughout all 4.54 billion years of Earth’s existence.
    You say, “Williams, that’s not what the warmers are talking about. It’s the high CO2 levels caused by mankind’s industrial activities that are causing the climate change!” There’s a problem with that reasoning. Today, CO2 concentrations worldwide average about 380 parts per million. This level of CO2 concentration is trivial compared with the concentrations during earlier geologic periods. For example, 460 million years
    ago, during the Ordovician Period, CO2 concentrations were 4,400 ppm, and temperatures then were about the same as they are today. With such high levels of CO2, at least according to the warmers, the Earth should have been boiling.
    Then there are warmer predictions. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, warmers, such as the Union of Concerned Scientists, made all manner of doomsday predictions about global warming and the increased frequency of hurricanes. According to the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, “no Category 3-5 hurricane has struck the United States for a record nine years, and Earth’s temperature has not budged for 18 years.”
    Climate change predictions have been wrong for decades. Let’s look at some. At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.” C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, “The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed.” In 1968, professor Paul Ehrlich predicted that there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and that “in the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of millions of people (would) starve to death.” Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989 and that by 1999, the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich’s predictions about England were gloomier. He said, “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.”
    In 1970, Harvard University biologist George Wald predicted, “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” Sen. Gaylord Nelson, in Look magazine in April 1970, said that by 1995, “somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals (would) be extinct.”
    Climate change propaganda is simply a ruse for a socialist agenda. Consider the statements of some environmentalist leaders. Christiana Figueres, the U.N.’s chief climate change official, said that her unelected bureaucrats are undertaking “probably the most difficult task” they have ever given themselves, “which is to intentionally transform the (global) economic development model.” In 2010, German economist and Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change official Ottmar Edenhofer said, “One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.” The article in which that interview appeared summarized Edenhofer’s views this way: “Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection. ... The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”
    The most disgusting aspect of the climate change debate is the statements by many that it’s settled science. There is nothing more anti-scientific than the idea that any science is settled. Very often, we find that the half-life of many scientific ideas is about 50 years. For academics to not criticize their colleagues and politicians for suggesting that scientific ideas are not subject to challenge is the height of academic dishonesty.
    Walter Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University.
    Last edited by DodgyAgent; 2 May 2015, 15:52.
    Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

    #2
    tl;dr

    but yes, it's socialist clap trap.

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      #3
      Watermelons.

      Green on the outside. Red on the inside.

      When the Soviet Union collapsed all those reds had to find another more popular cause so they chose environmentalism as a cover to spread their poison....

      Those nice cuddly Greens would put most of us in a Camp before you knew it...

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        #4
        Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
        tl;dr

        but yes, it's socialist clap trap.
        Let me precis : tired, long-debunked denier talking points, bad translations and a few cherry-picked failed predictions from a right wing, 78 year old, economist.
        My subconscious is annoying. It's got a mind of its own.

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          #5
          Originally posted by pjclarke View Post
          Let me precis : tired, long-debunked denier talking points, bad translations and a few cherry-picked failed predictions from a right wing, 78 year old, economist.
          ah debunked by the skeptical scientist blog run by John Cook

          The author is a cartoonist who setup a propoganda blog on climate change.

          Praise for John Cook the self described Cartoonist of Skeptical Science | ClimatEnerGeopolitics Message Board Posts

          As opposed to Professor Williams an eminent academic. The fact that someone is 78 doesn't really detract from their abilities.
          Last edited by BlasterBates; 2 May 2015, 18:05.
          I'm alright Jack

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            #6
            Originally posted by pjclarke View Post
            Let me precis : tired, long-debunked denier talking points, bad translations and a few cherry-picked failed predictions from a right wing, 78 year old, economist.
            Interview: Freeman Dyson, Author Of 'Dreams Of Earth And Sky' : NPR

            They are everywhere. I am sure you can smear him. I wonder how old he is?
            Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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              #7
              Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
              ah debunked by the skeptical scientist blog run by John Cook

              The author is a cartoonist who setup a propoganda blog on climate change.

              Praise for John Cook the self described Cartoonist of Skeptical Science | ClimatEnerGeopolitics Message Board Posts

              As opposed to Professor Williams an eminent academic. The fact that someone is 78 doesn't really detract from their abilities.
              Ah, the battle of the ad homs. Care to deal with the rebuttal, which was authored by Steve O Connell? Thought not.

              About John Cook

              Skeptical Science was created and maintained by John Cook, the Climate Communication Fellow for the Global Change Institute at the University of Queensland. He originally obtained a Bachelor of Science at the University of Queensland, achieving First Class Honours with a major in physics.

              He co-authored the 2011 book Climate Change Denial: Heads in the Sand with Haydn Washington, and the 2013 college textbook Climate Change Science: A Modern Synthesis with Tom Farmer. He also lead-authored the paper Quantifying the Consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature, which was tweeted by President Obama and was awarded the best paper published in Environmental Research Letters in 2013. In 2014, he won an award for Best Australian Science Writing, published by the University of New South Wales.

              He is currently completing a PhD in cognitive psychology, researching how people think about climate change. He is also developing a MOOC (Massive Online Open Course), Making Sense of Climate Science Denial, to be released in April 2015
              I have nothing but admiration for an academic economist who, at an age when most are retired, feels competent to contradict the work of thousands of other academics in an unrelated field. But let us examine another of his points, if we are really interested in substance ...

              "In 2010, German economist and Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change official said, “One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.” The article in which that interview appeared summarized Edenhofer’s views this way: “Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection. ... The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribubution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

              Edenhofer was writing in German, an alternative (Google) translation is

              Basically, it is a big mistake to discuss climate policy separated from the major issues of globalization. The climate summit in Cancún end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we do not have 11 000 gigatonnes of carbon in the coal reserves beneath our feet - and we may be deposited only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we are to keep the 2 ° C target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no way around the fact that a large proportion of fossil reserves must remain in the ground.

              First of all, we have industrialized countries the atmosphere of the international community virtually expropriated. But one must say clearly: We distribute by the climate policy de facto the assets around. That the owners of coal and oil which are not enthusiastic, is obvious. One has to free himself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has to do with with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole, almost nothing.
              The skewed translation appears on numerous conservative, denier outlets around the web, which is undoubtedly where the Prof. got it. One hopes his academic work is more rigourous.
              My subconscious is annoying. It's got a mind of its own.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                Interview: Freeman Dyson, Author Of 'Dreams Of Earth And Sky' : NPR

                They are everywhere. I am sure you can smear him. I wonder how old he is?
                Hardly everywhere. Dyson is a distinguished Physicist, but he is straying outside his field, and his views have been critiqued by specialists

                RealClimate: Freeman Dyson’s selective vision
                My subconscious is annoying. It's got a mind of its own.

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                  #9
                  Mind you, not all people outside the field get it so wrong, in 1988 a chemist addressed the Royal Society

                  Mr. President, the Royal Society's Fellows and other scientists, through hypothesis, experiment and deduction have solved many of the world's problems.

                  —Research on medicine has saved millions and millions of lives as you have tackled diseases such as malaria, smallpox, tuberculosis and others. Consequently, the world's population which was 1 billion in 1800, 2 billion in 1927 is now 5 billion souls and rising.

                  —Research on agriculture has developed seeds and fertilizers sufficient to sustain that rising population contrary to the gloomy prophesies of two or three decades ago. But we are left with pollution from nitrates and an enormous increase in methane which is causing problems.

                  —Engineering and scientific advance have given us transport by land and air, the capacity and need to exploit fossil fuels which had lain unused for millions of years. One result is a vast increase in carbon dioxide. And this has happened just when great tracts of forests which help to absorb it have been cut down.

                  For generations, we have assumed that the efforts of mankind would leave the fundamental equilibrium of the world's systems and atmosphere stable. But it is possible that with all these enormous changes (population, agricultural, use of fossil fuels) concentrated into such a short period of time, we have unwittingly begun a massive experiment with the system of this planet itself.

                  Recently three changes in atmospheric chemistry have become familiar subjects of concern. The first is the increase in the greenhouse gases—carbon dioxide, methane, and chlorofluorocarbons—which has led some[fo 4] to fear that we are creating a global heat trap which could lead to climatic instability. We are told that a warming effect of 1°C per decade would greatly exceed the capacity of our natural habitat to cope. Such warming could cause accelerated melting of glacial ice and a consequent increase in the sea level of several feet over the next century. This was brought home to me at the Commonwealth Conference in Vancouver last year when the President of the Maldive Islands reminded us that the highest part of the Maldives is only six feet above sea level. The population is 177,000. It is noteworthy that the five warmest years in a century of records have all been in the 1980s—though we may not have seen much evidence in Britain!
                  Speech to the Royal Society | Margaret Thatcher Foundation
                  My subconscious is annoying. It's got a mind of its own.

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                    We are told that a warming effect of 1°C per decade would greatly exceed the capacity of our natural habitat to cope.

                    so 1 degree per decade rise....hmmm



                    President of the Maldive Islands reminded us that the highest part of the Maldives is only six feet above sea level.
                    so it's good that there's been no impact at all since Margaret Thatcher spoke..




                    ....which sort of fits with the "there's been no global warming for over 17 years" really, doesn't it.
                    Last edited by BlasterBates; 2 May 2015, 19:52.
                    I'm alright Jack

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