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What is employment and why does it matter?

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    What is employment and why does it matter?

    Is the government's continual attempt to categorise "employment" as different from anything else, the source of many problems? Their urge so to categorise is so strong that they will not write down the rules, but rather attempt to make them up as they go along; each attempt, whether successful or not, being a cost to a citizen.

    As a source of income, as a contract, as a relationship, it matters whether what you do is categorised as "employment" or not. Isn't this the government continually micromanaging, and indeed exceeding the bounds of its legitimate duties? Why not just let it be irrelevant whether income is from employment or a "different" type of source? Why not leave it unanswered whether a contract is one of employment or one of sale? Why not let the relationship between a contractor and a client be a matter for the parties concerned?

    Why is the government a concerned party in everything?

    #2
    Bit of a daft question. Of course it matters.

    Corporate tax rates and bands do not match employee bands, the govt wants to classify as many businesses as employees of their customers as possible to maximise tax take.

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      #3
      Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
      Bit of a daft question. Of course it matters.

      Corporate tax rates and bands do not match employee bands, the govt wants to classify as many businesses as employees of their customers as possible to maximise tax take.
      I know it matters in practice, and I know why. I whish to ask why that should be so.

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        #4
        Originally posted by expat View Post
        I know it matters in practice, and I know why. I whish to ask why that should be so.
        Because HMR&C remit is to tax everyone into the ground and they tell the govt what nannying laws to pass in order to effect this destruction of personal income.

        Or to put it another way, one set of winkers tells the other set of winkers how to screw as much revenue out of everyone as possible. Hence why the obsession with this distinction of employee vs incorporation.

        If the tax take was the same, they wouldn't give a toss.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
          Because HMR&C remit is to tax everyone into the ground and they tell the govt what nannying laws to pass in order to effect this destruction of personal income.

          Or to put it another way, one set of winkers tells the other set of winkers how to screw as much revenue out of everyone as possible. Hence why the obsession with this distinction of employee vs incorporation.

          If the tax take was the same, they wouldn't give a toss.
          That's kind of my point. In France, for example, you pay the Social Contributions on income: employment, self-employment, dividend, pension, it doesn't matter, it's all income. For exactly that reason, the taxman doesn't care about your contract status or working practices. His job is to tax your income, not to interfere with your work and your life.

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            #6
            Originally posted by expat View Post
            That's kind of my point. In France, for example, you pay the Social Contributions on income: employment, self-employment, dividend, pension, it doesn't matter, it's all income. For exactly that reason, the taxman doesn't care about your contract status or working practices. His job is to tax your income, not to interfere with your work and your life.
            All this tulip would go away if they simplified it as you suggest, just total up your income (from whatever/wherever) and apply an income tax, preferably with a nice high threshold and progressive and simple banding.

            But the little oik Osbourne is a devious and lying ****, so that's never going to happen.

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              #7
              Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
              All this tulip would go away if they simplified it as you suggest, just total up your income (from whatever/wherever) and apply an income tax, preferably with a nice high threshold and progressive and simple banding.
              Why the fook people use word "progressive" in relation to HIGHER taxes? FFS stop it already!

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                #8
                Originally posted by AtW View Post
                Why the fook people use word "progressive" in relation to HIGHER taxes? FFS stop it already!
                It's only "fair", think of the "hard working families"!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                  It's only "fair", think of the "hard working families"!
                  And the polar bears that will die from global warming if we don't pay more taxes
                  Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

                  No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
                    All this tulip would go away if they simplified it as you suggest, just total up your income (from whatever/wherever) and apply an income tax, preferably with a nice high threshold and progressive and simple banding.
                    Wouldn't that mean everyone has to do a personal tax return every year, and PAYE would break? I thought this was one issue with the US system, hence they have Tax Day?

                    For the typical worker, PAYE is a great boon IMO.
                    Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                    I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                    Originally posted by vetran
                    Urine is quite nourishing

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