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DonkeyRhubarb
23rd July 2015, 12:53
http://www.uhy-uk.com/wp-content/uploads/Ingenious-judicial-review-14-July-2015.pdf

A decision could be anywhere from a couple of weeks to many months.

Whatever the outcome, it will probably be appealed to the Court of Appeal.

Some commentators expect it will go all the way to the Supreme Court.
http://www.taxadvisermagazine.com/article/let-battle-commence

DotasScandal
23rd July 2015, 13:02
"Notwithstanding how abhorrent the legislation, it will be a brave High Court Judge who will find in favour of taxpayers as it is highly likely that the decision will be spread across the front pages of the broadsheets and tabloids alike!"

All eyes on this for sure. We should know soon enough if the UK has reverted to a full blown tyranny or not just yet.

StrengthInNumbers
23rd July 2015, 17:13
It will be very difficult to get a judge who is brave enough to go against government.

malvolio
23rd July 2015, 17:19
It will be very difficult to get a judge who is brave enough to go against government.
Don't be silly! They seem to delight in doing just that these days.

StrengthInNumbers
23rd July 2015, 21:46
Don't be silly! They seem to delight in doing just that these days.

For example?

webberg
23rd July 2015, 22:10
Judges are generally fair in my experience.

Some in tax cases have said things along the lines of "I hate tax avoiders but this works" or "if that's how HMRC wrote the rules then that's how it works".

In cases where distinctions are less clear the lower tier tax judges will turn cartwheels to find for HMRC but here we're looking at non tax judges.

We understand the Pinsent Masons are relatively upbeat about the hearing (but they would say that) but it may be months before we get a decision.

DotasScandal
23rd July 2015, 23:50
We understand the Pinsent Masons are relatively upbeat about the hearing (but they would say that) but it may be months before we get a decision.

Was that a public hearing at all?

It would be interesting to know what point PM put forward.

DonkeyRhubarb
24th July 2015, 07:22
Was that a public hearing at all?

It would be interesting to know what point PM put forward.

Yes it would have been in public, probably at the Royal Courts of Justice.

The hearing doesn't appear to have been reported much, so we'll probably have to wait for the decision to find out what arguments were advanced.

I'd be astounded if the Judge finds in favour of the taxpayers.

BrilloPad
24th July 2015, 07:40
Judges are generally fair in my experience.


Judge Parker against montpelier in their judicial review. MP were criticized for not pushing harder for a resolution. MP proposed to go to FTTT in 2006/2007 which HMRC rejected. Instead they bought out retrospective legislation.

Family court judges are mostly total scum. But they have the advantage of having their decisions kept private.

webberg
24th July 2015, 11:30
The hearing would have been public (justice mist be seen to be done) and I suspect that the written decision will also be public.

This will be on the Administrative Court website

DotasScandal
24th July 2015, 11:47
The hearing would have been public (justice mist be seen to be done) and I suspect that the written decision will also be public.

A bit surprised that no one reported about it... I mean, not even someone tweeting about it or something. I could not find anything.

Wait and pray and see, I guess...

DonkeyRhubarb
24th July 2015, 12:40
A bit surprised that no one reported about it... I mean, not even someone tweeting about it or something. I could not find anything.

Wait and pray and see, I guess...

You can bet it will be reported when a decision comes out. I predict the following type of lurid headline.

"Court rules that tax dodging is not a Human Right"