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DaveB
17th August 2015, 12:57
Since I'm doing a lot of miles atm, and given the prevailing levels of muppetry on the roads, I was thinking about getting a DashCam for the car.

I generally have my phone on a mount on the dashboard anyway to run Google Maps, so the on board camera is in the right place to use it as a DashCam as well.

Anyone doing / done this? Got any remcommendations for Android Apps to use?

northernladuk
17th August 2015, 13:12
I've had it in my mind to get one and never thought of using the phone. A couple are reviewed here.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dash-cam-android-comparison/

It would have to run in the background for maps to work though?

DaveB
17th August 2015, 13:19
I've had it in my mind to get one and never thought of using the phone. A couple are reviewed here.

3 Dash Cam Apps For Android, Compared: Which One Can Protect You Best? (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dash-cam-android-comparison/)

It would have to run in the background for maps to work though?

Funnily enough thats the same site I found when I Googled earlier :)

Some good reviews and worth thinking about. Especially as even the pro versions are cheap. At least one of them runs in the background as far as I could see. Maps will run in the background if you are happy to rely on the Voice Directions.

cojak
17th August 2015, 13:36
Using your phone is ok for occasional use, but the sister article is very good on the reasons you might want a dedicated dash cam:

There are several reasons. Putting your smartphone on your dash will expose it to sunlight and excess heat, which may degrade battery life and cause reliability issues over time. Smartphones usually don’t have enough storage or last long enough on a charge to record high-resolution video for hours on end. And, if you actually need to use your phone for navigation or a call, your smartphone-dashcam setup may prove inconvenient.

True dashcams are durable, can be hard-wired to your car’s battery, and can record many hours of video, making them the superior choice. If you want to record a half-hour of footage on occasion, a smartphone can work, but a dashcam is the better choice for recording every time you drive.
How To Choose The Right Dashcam For Your Car (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-choose-the-right-dashcam-for-your-car/)

DaveB
17th August 2015, 13:54
Using your phone is ok for occasional use, but the sister article is very good on the reasons you might want a dedicated dash cam:

How To Choose The Right Dashcam For Your Car (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-choose-the-right-dashcam-for-your-car/)

I'd disagree with a lot of that to be honest.

Putting it up on the dash, at least on my car, puts in in line with the windscreen vents from the air con, so will actually help keep it cooler.

Most good smartphones have at least 16gb of storage these days, which is enough for around 4 hours video, and if you are just looping 10 or 15 minutes worth then it's irrelevant.

At least one of the Apps NLUK linked will run in the backgroud and record while leaving your phone free for other stuff and Bluetooth means you can still use it as a phone hands free anyway.

kevpuk
17th August 2015, 13:58
I recently bought a dedicated DashCam, and had a guy out to fit it (crap with that sort of stuff myself, and I wanted it neatly installed et al.)
I went for a Mini 0806, per many reviews and 'ternet recommendations - e.g. TechMoan.

Really pleased with the results; very good image quality, small and well featured unit. Stuck a 64GB card in, and downloaded Registrator Viewer, which plays back footage whilst overlaying GPS position on map and tons more :)

expat
17th August 2015, 15:46
Gopro Hero 4 is supposed to be great!

unixman
17th August 2015, 16:32
Pardon my ignorance but why are you lot installing a dash cams ? Insurance savings ? General security?

expat
17th August 2015, 16:37
I should think one prang from a moron would pay for it.

No evidence = your word against his = your insurance can't be arsed = knock for knock.
Evidence = his side pays, you don't need to claim. He may even go to court. :banana::music:

This latter is why I am thinking about a helmet cam for biking. I want to nail some of those bastards who think my life is a risk worth taking.

unixman
17th August 2015, 16:45
I see. If you are involved in an accident, the camera might incriminate you too. I wonder if the police can demand it as evidence? And does it record speed, location etc?


Apparently they can catch stuff when parked up too
Video: Man with pram deliberately keys £100k Aston Martin - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11807870/Man-with-pram-deliberately-keys-100k-Aston-Martin.html)

northernladuk
17th August 2015, 16:47
I should think one prang from a moron would pay for it.

No evidence = your word against his = your insurance can't be arsed = knock for knock.
Evidence = his side pays, you don't need to claim. He may even go to court. :banana::music:


That was my reasoning behind thinking about it as well. My other half doesn't want me to get one because she thinks I'll spend more time reporting idiots I capture dangerous driving on it than using it to cover myself.

I wanted to read up on self incrimination though. If I am in an accident and someone see's I have a cam on I want to know what the rules are about being obliged to hand over the data that might incriminate myself. I am sure there are some rights about this type of thing. Need to have a look in to it before I get one.

Interestingly I did my insurance renewal yesterday and they ask if there is a dashcam fitted. I assumed this meant built in like a bus or lorry rather than a removable screen one. No idea if it affected the insurance premiums though.

anonymouse
17th August 2015, 17:46
LiveLeak.com - Man causes £9,000 worth of damage to an Aston Martin Car. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=289_1439827366)

Mines mounted behind the rear view mirror, cabled into the light. The main shortcoming is the field of vision, they are getting wider, but still not enough to capture the whole front of the car, pillar to pillar.

I know a few people who have them, and have used them in insurance claims & police evidence. Even if you buy the cheapest for £20 with a £5 SD card, it's worth it.

I have a helmet one for the push bike, when I used to cycle to work.

xoggoth
17th August 2015, 18:52
Had a really cheap one (what a surprise) for a couple of years. All works well except on occasions it won't start and I have to reset it. Stuck a paper clip in top so I can reset easily on the go but then it loses date/time and, more importantly, any higher resolution settings you may have set. Probably best to spend a bit more.

Joe Black
17th August 2015, 19:46
I'm with Cojak in this one. Think a smartphone app might be ok for occasional use, and an inexpensive option if you're already using it for GPS, but find a dedicated dashcam still better. You can leave them in the car when you're parked, often provide better quality (certainly at night*), and some are small enough that they're hardly noticeable unless your face is on the windscreen.

Mine cost a bit some years ago, but decent enough now, e.g. Transcend, can be had for £90.

Recommended site: Dashboard Camera Reviews (http://dashboardcamerareviews.com)

Fun in Belgium *Lowlight quality: http://youtu.be/SF9AZQLwhXY

Lockhouse
18th August 2015, 07:16
I would recommend a dedicated dashcam. I bought one from Halfords for around a hundred quid. Does hd, gps, gforce, altitude, even does speed cameras as the car built-in satnav doesn't. Comes with some really good PC software as well. It's a MiVue something or the other. Very good.

Halo Jones
18th August 2015, 07:20
As I tend to do c.2000 miles a month I have considered this: one question how do you stand with recording others when they don’t know – I was thinking of the (possibly not true) need to have CCTV notices up if you have home security.

DaveB
18th August 2015, 07:48
As I tend to do c.2000 miles a month I have considered this: one question how do you stand with recording others when they don’t know – I was thinking of the (possibly not true) need to have CCTV notices up if you have home security.

Not an issue. There is no expectation of Privacy when you are in a public place such as the roads). DPA comes in when cameras are used by businesses or other organisations to specifically record individuals on private property where there may be an expectation of privacy.

In practice the police are largely supportive of DashCams as it makes their lives easier in the event of an incident or complaint.

NickFitz
18th August 2015, 10:13
As I tend to do c.2000 miles a month I have considered this: one question how do you stand with recording others when they don’t know – I was thinking of the (possibly not true) need to have CCTV notices up if you have home security.

The DPA stuff about CCTV only applies to businesses etc., not to private individuals. Also, as DaveB says, public place => no expectation of privacy.

DimPrawn
18th August 2015, 10:35
I see. If you are involved in an accident, the camera might incriminate you too. I wonder if the police can demand it as evidence? And does it record speed, location etc?


Apparently they can catch stuff when parked up too
Video: Man with pram deliberately keys £100k Aston Martin - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11807870/Man-with-pram-deliberately-keys-100k-Aston-Martin.html)

A mate of mine had video of some scrope reversing into his car in a car park and driving away. He went to see plod, plod says "not interested, phone your insurance". Didn't even want to view it.

Our wonderful highly paid and retire at 50 on full pension "professionals" sure do earn our respect. :winker:

DaveB
18th August 2015, 10:40
A mate of mine had video of some scrope reversing into his car in a car park and driving away. He went to see plod, plod says "not interested, phone your insurance". Didn't even want to view it.

Our wonderful highly paid and retire at 50 on full pension "professionals" sure do earn our respect. :winker:

Being bumped in a car park is an accident on private property, thats what insurance is for. No one hurt so the police won't be interested. The Aston being keyed was deliberate and classed as criminal damage, so Police will (have to) be interested as a crime has been commited.

DimPrawn
18th August 2015, 10:44
Being bumped in a car park is an accident on private property, thats what insurance is for. No one hurt so the police won't be interested. The Aston being keyed was deliberate and classed as criminal damage, so Police will (have to) be interested as a crime has been commited.

So it's not an offence to drive off? Sounds like fun and crime free.

DaveB
18th August 2015, 10:49
So it's not an offence to drive off? Sounds like fun and crime free.

Only on public roads. It's an offence under section 170 of the Road Traffic Act. Doesnt apply on private property such as a supermarket carpark.

If it was done deliberately, and that can be proved - say hitting multiple cars on purpose - or as a result of being pissed for example, then that becomes criminal damage, DUI etc but it's complicated by the fact that it's on private property again.

Not the fault of the Police, it's the way the Law is written.