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Troll
18th January 2016, 20:23
Is that they just don't can't deliver when it's cold

https://i.imgur.com/c6sI94Ll.jpg

MicrosoftBob
19th January 2016, 08:19
Or when it's windy

pjclarke
19th January 2016, 12:40
You may be missing the big picture

RenewableUK | Press Releases - Record-breaking January for wind energy (http://www.renewableuk.com/en/news/press-releases.cfm/2015-02-02-record-breaking-january-for-wind-energy)

Or was it not cold last January? :laugh

MicrosoftBob
19th January 2016, 12:42
Wind power will be non existent after the subsidies are removed, won't be long for wear and tear to takes those figures down sharply

Lost It
19th January 2016, 12:49
Bit pointless really. When it's a long cold spell it's usually because the area is in a high pressure area. Wind doesn't blow.

If it's a long hot spell, the same applies.

So unless we are between high and low pressure systems, they don't really work.

Solar power, well the planet has been doing ok using that for the last few billion years.

pjclarke
19th January 2016, 13:12
Wind power will be non existent after the subsidies are removed, won't be long for wear and tear to takes those figures down sharply

Renewable electricity overtakes coal for first time in UK - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/energy/windpower/11889329/renewable-energy-overtakes-coal-statistics.html)

FatLazyContractor
19th January 2016, 13:23
MF Walter mitty can run wind turbines all over the country with his mouth f@rts about first class travel :happy

DimPrawn
19th January 2016, 14:43
Surely we can get all the energy we need from the World's largest source. Climate Change Bullshit!

DodgyAgent
19th January 2016, 15:09
Wind turbines are about as meaningful as the Paris COP21 "accord"

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/493039/Tier_2_Report_Review_Version_for_Publishing_FINAL. pdf

The deal in Paris says we all must reduce our emissions by 30% by the year 2050! The less developed world says the rich must do the lions share of this. So figure on at the very least ~1 day out of every 3 from now on must result in NO CO2 emissions. That means no transportation other than shanks mare or your bicycle, no cooking with gas, on the barbie, or with a wood stove, almost no electricity, and myriad other inconveniences. You are expected to give up more if you are one of the billion or so people living in a rich countries less if you are one of the other 6 billion people living in a poor countries.

A global 30% CO2 emission reduction next year, 2016, will be some 11 billion tonnes of CO2 NOT emitted. For some context, the world’s entire present day transportation system, cars, trucks, trains, planes, ships everywhere spew out a yearly total CO2 emission of just 7.6 billion tonnes of CO2! I don’t see the world abandoning all mechanized transportation just to cover 2/3’s of the CO2 payment required, so we must come up with practical, affordable alternatives!

Because no one seriously expects any of this happening it will just become a gravy train of money and a means of manipulation for the vested interests of climate change and governments needing an excuse to tax people more.

MicrosoftBob
19th January 2016, 15:18
climate change is a means of manipulation for the vested interests governments needing an excuse to tax people more.

FTFY you could have stopped right there

MrMarkyMark
19th January 2016, 15:52
FTFY you could have stopped right there

Careful.....that's our new "Personality of the Year", god knows, what new powers he wields with Admin :mad

DodgyAgent
19th January 2016, 16:20
Careful.....that's our new "Personality of the Year", god knows, what new powers he wields with Admin :mad

Thanks MMM, your "enforcement" cheque is in the post

MrMarkyMark
19th January 2016, 16:22
Thanks MMM, your "enforcement" cheque is in the post

I much prefer cash on the nail, preferably 50's.

The "people" I deal with prefer those :smokin

Lost It
19th January 2016, 16:28
Which burn the dirtiest, cheapest fuel they can, and pollute more in one journey from China to Britain than my Jaguar could do in 10,000 years at 30mpg. Possibly.

And it's only a little Jaguar...

DodgyAgent
19th January 2016, 16:30
.

And it's only a little Jaguar...

So I hear

DimPrawn
19th January 2016, 16:40
It's all a money making scam to pay for the alarmist warmists and their junk science.

I wish there were a way we could make a stand against the money grab, but can't see a way to do that.

VectraMan
19th January 2016, 17:24
Which burn the dirtiest, cheapest fuel they can, and pollute more in one journey from China to Britain than my Jaguar could do in 10,000 years at 30mpg. Possibly.

If only there was a way of powering ships by wind.

Troll
19th January 2016, 18:44
You may be missing the big picture

RenewableUK | Press Releases - Record-breaking January for wind energy (http://www.renewableuk.com/en/news/press-releases.cfm/2015-02-02-record-breaking-january-for-wind-energy)

Or was it not cold last January? :laugh
National Grid statistics provided by independent data analysts EnAppSys

Hmmm

Record-breaking January for wind energy
The weekly record was set during 5th-11th January.

For much of the month, the UK was under the influence of a westerly weather type, with a sequence of Atlantic depressions tracking across the country. A sequence of particularly deep lows between the 9th and 15th brought some very stormy conditions to Scotland, especially the Western and Northern Isles, as well as plenty of rainfall. The first half of January was very mild,

From the EnAppSys doc

For Q1 2015
The quarter saw high levels of generation from coal fired plants typically
generating at the limits of availability
This coupled with levels of nuclear fleet generation up 30% from the previous quarter
In the quarter, the coal fleet provided 33% of the overall generation
gas plants providing 23%
nuclear plants 20%
wind farms 12%
interconnectors 5%
biomass 4%
Electrical demand was low at the beginning of the quarter as the holiday period reduced the need to generate electricity

AtW
19th January 2016, 18:50
It's all a money making scam to pay for the alarmist warmists and their junk science.
I wish there were a way we could make a stand against the money grab, but can't see a way to do that.

Germany now have days when they get over 50% of power from renewable sources, last summer they had 78% mark -

Germany Just Got 78 Percent Of Its Electricity From Renewable Sources | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/29/3685555/germany-sets-new-renewable-energy-record/)

The world would be much nicer, safer place without scumbags in countries with lots of oil that get financed by the West.

And yes it may also save the World, which would be nice.

SueEllen
19th January 2016, 19:47
Germany now have days when they get over 50% of power from renewable sources, last summer they had 78% mark -

Germany Just Got 78 Percent Of Its Electricity From Renewable Sources | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/29/3685555/germany-sets-new-renewable-energy-record/)

The world would be much nicer, safer place without scumbags in countries with lots of oil that get financed by the West.

And yes it may also save the World, which would be nice.

Tar Sands? Fracking?

The Saudis and their "friends" are flooding the market with oil for this very reason.

pjclarke
19th January 2016, 20:33
Not only was December 2015 the UK’s wettest month on record, but it was also exceptionally stormy. Bad news for many, but great news for the country’s wind power and hydro generators.

In fact, storms Desmond, Eva and Frank meant that throughout December, more than 19% of Great Britain’s (not the UK’s – as Northern Ireland is not included in the underlying data) electrical energy came from wind, solar and hydro combined. That’s the highest ever figure for a calendar month.

It was an exceptional end to an unusual year that saw several new records set within Britain’s power sector as the transition from dirty to clean energy continued

https://theconversation.com/six-energy-records-britain-broke-last-year-52784

SpontaneousOrder
19th January 2016, 20:41
Cool. So all we need is to flood half the country and we get 'renewable' energy!

SueEllen
19th January 2016, 20:55
Cool. So all we need is to flood half the country and we get 'renewable' energy!

<cough>Scotland </cough>

scooterscot
19th January 2016, 22:29
<cough>Scotland </cough>

Flooding a country with hills and mountains? It'll never happen.

AtW
19th January 2016, 23:27
Tar Sands? Fracking? The Saudis and their "friends" are flooding the market with oil for this very reason.

No no, Germany got so much power from RENEWABLE sources - wind and solar.

The only thing that's needed is cheap gas and Iran will deliver it soon - this would be used for backup power stations to kick in when wind/Sun out.

Cars will be replaced with electric, very soon internal combustion engine will be found only in museums...

rl4engc
20th January 2016, 09:12
very soon internal combustion engine will be found only in museums...

IC isn't going anywhere, it will just be adapted for using 'fuel from sunlight' alcohol based liquid fuels.

Can you honestly see HGV's, tractors, generators, ships all switching to battery power? As for cars there's too much existing infrastructure and vested interest from the OilCo's to switch to battery.

NigelJK
20th January 2016, 09:22
Thought that the batteries for the electric motors were extremely un-green and require replacing every 10 years?
What's required is a full life cycle analysis, oh wait a minute aren't Jag the only ones to do this.

For the record my big jag (XJ8 4.2) is more economical than the small one (2.5 V6 X-Type).

VectraMan
20th January 2016, 09:42
Thought that the batteries for the electric motors were extremely un-green and require replacing every 10 years?



Human rights organisation Amnesty has accused Apple, Samsung and Sony, among others, of failing to do basic checks to ensure minerals used in their products are not mined by children.
In a report into cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, it found children as young as seven working in dangerous conditions.
Cobalt is a a vital component of lithium-ion batteries.

Apple, Samsung and Sony face child labour claims - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35311456)

A big increase in battery demand will be great for the children of the DRC. But as long as it's green.

DimPrawn
20th January 2016, 10:07
No no, Germany got so much power from RENEWABLE sources - wind and solar.

The only thing that's needed is cheap gas and Iran will deliver it soon - this would be used for backup power stations to kick in when wind/Sun out.

Cars will be replaced with electric, very soon internal combustion engine will be found only in museums...

So instead of buying oil from Iraq or Saudi we buy gas from Iran and suddenly the planet is saved.

Cool. :rolleyes:

MrMarkyMark
20th January 2016, 10:09
FTFY


So instead of buying oil from Iraq or Saudi we buy gas from Iran, until the US fall out with them and send the drones in.


Cool. :rolleyes:

pjclarke
20th January 2016, 12:54
Wind turbines are about as meaningful as the Paris COP21 "accord"

The deal in Paris says we all must reduce our emissions by 30% by the year 2050! The less developed world says the rich must do the lions share of this. So figure on at the very least ~1 day out of every 3 from now on must result in NO CO2 emissions. That means no transportation other than shanks mare or your bicycle, no cooking with gas, on the barbie, or with a wood stove, almost no electricity, and myriad other inconveniences. You are expected to give up more if you are one of the billion or so people living in a rich countries less if you are one of the other 6 billion people living in a poor countries.


No doubt it is all part of being a 'personality' however your link is to a document from the Migration Advisory Committee, not anything to do with Paris. I tracked down the words, though, to Russ George, illegal ocean polluter and self-styled planetary saviour.

He is wrong of course, decarbonising the energy and transport systems is a large scale challenge, but no more so than the change fromhorse drawn transport in 1915 to the nuclear age in 1950 ....

And his favoured solution, ocean fertilisation with iron, may have a part to play but is untested, and even on the most favourable assumptions, will remove about 8% of annual CO2 emissions. There are proven technologies - kelp farms, biochar, silicate rocks, that are far more efficient.

COP21: The global warming targets agreed in Paris will drive a carbon-capture revolution | Voices | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cop21-the-global-warming-targets-agreed-in-paris-will-drive-a-carbon-capture-revolution-a6771136.html)

WTFH
20th January 2016, 13:45
Cool. So all we need is to flood half the country and we get 'renewable' energy!


<cough>Scotland </cough>



Great idea, somewhere with hills so we can flood it then set up hydro-electric power stations.