PDA

View Full Version : Cash-strapped hospitals ask for £1.5bn tax rebate



AtW
25th February 2016, 19:08
Eighty NHS trusts in England have written to local authorities claiming they are eligible for an 80% discount on business rates

Cash-strapped hospitals are trying to avoid paying taxes and win a £1.5bn rebate in a move that could have a major impact on the finances of local authorities.

At least 80 NHS trusts in England have written to local authorities claiming they are eligible for an 80% discount on business rates through a loophole in the tax system. The number of applications represents roughly half of the NHS acute trusts in the country.

The discount would be worth an estimated £250m a year, but the trusts also want it backdated for six years, meaning the government and local authorities, who share business rate revenues, could have to pay £1.5bn.

The row highlights the financial pressure on the NHS and the tensions between different parts of the public sector as they battle for funding in the wake of the government’s austerity cuts.

Council representatives said the demands from hospitals are “ridiculous” and warned they will have to increase council tax to cover shortfalls in their funding. (AtW's comment: no, it's ridiculous to expect public hospitals to pay BUSINESS rates in the first place)

The NHS trusts are claiming they should be classified as charities, meaning they would be eligible for a tax break. Charities enjoy an 80% discount on business rates, which is the equivalent of council tax for non-residential tenants of property. Universities already qualify for relief, as do some private healthcare providers, such as Nuffield Health, which is registered as a charity.

Source: Cash-strapped hospitals ask for £1.5bn tax rebate | Business | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/25/cash-strapped-hospitals-ask-for-a-15bn-rebate)

WTF NHS hospitals even have to pay BUSINESS RATES??? :mad

DodgyAgent
25th February 2016, 19:29
Eighty NHS trusts in England have written to local authorities claiming they are eligible for an 80% discount on business rates

Cash-strapped hospitals are trying to avoid paying taxes and win a £1.5bn rebate in a move that could have a major impact on the finances of local authorities.

At least 80 NHS trusts in England have written to local authorities claiming they are eligible for an 80% discount on business rates through a loophole in the tax system. The number of applications represents roughly half of the NHS acute trusts in the country.

The discount would be worth an estimated £250m a year, but the trusts also want it backdated for six years, meaning the government and local authorities, who share business rate revenues, could have to pay £1.5bn.

The row highlights the financial pressure on the NHS and the tensions between different parts of the public sector as they battle for funding in the wake of the government’s austerity cuts.

Council representatives said the demands from hospitals are “ridiculous” and warned they will have to increase council tax to cover shortfalls in their funding. (AtW's comment: no, it's ridiculous to expect public hospitals to pay BUSINESS rates in the first place)

The NHS trusts are claiming they should be classified as charities, meaning they would be eligible for a tax break. Charities enjoy an 80% discount on business rates, which is the equivalent of council tax for non-residential tenants of property. Universities already qualify for relief, as do some private healthcare providers, such as Nuffield Health, which is registered as a charity.

Source: Cash-strapped hospitals ask for £1.5bn tax rebate | Business | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/25/cash-strapped-hospitals-ask-for-a-15bn-rebate)

WTF NHS hospitals even have to pay BUSINESS RATES??? :mad

The black hole of NHS finances is on the March

MarillionFan
25th February 2016, 19:45
NHS Hospitals pay Business Rates????? Registered charities don't. That's why landlords put charity shops in empty properties, who then buy new gear and put the local gift shops out of business.


What a crock!!!

Waldorf
25th February 2016, 20:14
WTF NHS hospitals even have to pay BUSINESS RATES??? :mad

The cash just circulates, if NHS properties were exempted the funding gap to councils would only have to be filled by central government.

The NHS will also pay taxes such as VAT, employers NIC, land fill tax etc.

FatLazyContractor
25th February 2016, 20:33
The black hole of NHS finances is on the March

How many contractors have you supplied to the NHS? :happy

AtW
25th February 2016, 20:36
The NHS will also pay taxes such as VAT, employers NIC, land fill tax etc.

What BUSINESS rates got to do with NHS (not private) hospitals???

AtW
25th February 2016, 20:47
btw, there should NOT even be such a thing as "business rates" - businesses provide jobs and pay many other taxes, that's more than enough.

clearedforlanding
25th February 2016, 20:52
btw, there should NOT even be such a thing as "business rates" - businesses provide jobs and pay many other taxes, that's more than enough.


Please forward this memo to Starbucks, Amazon & Google.

AtW
25th February 2016, 20:53
Please forward this memo to Starbucks, Amazon & Google.

They pay very little business rates already, it's small businesses on High Street that get destroyed by crazy rates - pubs, restaurants etc.

Business rates should not exist - VAT should be 25% of which, say 5% goes to local authority.

clearedforlanding
25th February 2016, 20:55
They pay very little business rates already, it's small businesses on High Street that get destroyed by crazy rates - pubs, restaurants etc.

Business rates should not exist - VAT should be 25% of which, say 5% goes to local authority.

So the USA?

AtW
25th February 2016, 21:01
So the USA?

What?

clearedforlanding
25th February 2016, 21:07
What?

Local sales taxes.

AtW
25th February 2016, 21:13
Local sales taxes.

You can't trust councils with taxes :eyes

AtW
25th February 2016, 21:18
By the way - "pro-business" Tory Govt will move give control over business rates to local councils - in exchange Govt cuts its grant for same value, pretty obvious that councils will be increasing business rates rapidly since there is no cap.

Birmingham's business rates email query response SLA is 3 weeks, getting through via phone line is next to impossible.

Thanks Tories.

Waldorf
25th February 2016, 21:35
What BUSINESS rates got to do with NHS (not private) hospitals???

Business rates are paid on non residential properties. Thankfully you are not in charge of the country's finances.

VAT isn't paid by the businesses, it's paid by the end consumer, so the likes of Google and Amazon would thank you for abolishing business rates and increasing VAT, they would be much better off.

AtW
25th February 2016, 21:39
Business rates are paid on non residential properties. Thankfully you are not in charge of the country's finances.

Why charities have business rates tax relief then? NHS is essentially a charity, it's not a for-profit business - it's preposterous to charge them BUSINESS rates, which is why now hospitals applying for retrospective change - I hope they succeed.

It's a pity I am not in charge of country's finances, because unlike Gidiot/Camoron muppets I know how to run my personal finances - I spend less than I earn.


VAT isn't paid by the businesses, it's paid by the end consumer, so the likes of Google and Amazon would thank you for abolishing business rates and increasing VAT, they would be much better off.

Yes, and that's correct way of things to be - the consumer (with more money in their pockets thanks to income tax cuts that should happen) would CHOOSE where to spend their hard earned money.

Amazon uses warehouses in cheap places, so not a lot of business rates, Google only got office HQ so overall business rates on them is minimal. People who get slaughtered by rates are local businesses run by self employed people - the very people that Tories should be inspiring to start their own business.

SueEllen
25th February 2016, 22:08
If you have a very small shop you get a business rate exemption in some areas which is why some coffee shops and florists are tiny.

DimPrawn
25th February 2016, 22:36
businesses provide jobs and pay many other taxes, that's more than enough.

My business provides one job, but doesn't pay tax, does that count?

:rolleyes:

Waldorf
26th February 2016, 01:10
Why charities have business rates tax relief then?.

Charities do not get automatic exemption from business rates, it is upto the local authority whether they grant 100% or less exemption.

You do talk a load of crap, you really are an angry old man, full of opinion but if you were ever in a position to make a decision on the countries finances you would explode.

Go and cuddle up to your blow up doll of Jeremy Corbyn and sleep well.

DodgyAgent
26th February 2016, 08:57
How many contractors have you supplied to the NHS? :happy


0 :(

AtW
26th February 2016, 15:32
Charities do not get automatic exemption from business rates, it is upto the local authority whether they grant 100% or less exemption.

You did not answer my question which was - WHY CHARITIES GOT BUSINESS RATES RELIEF???

Whether it's granted or on what conditions not are secondary matters.

AtW
26th February 2016, 15:57
You do talk a load of crap, you really are an angry old man, full of opinion but if you were ever in a position to make a decision on the countries finances you would explode.

:laugh