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    Which of you idiots signed this petition?

    The non-EU workers who’ll be deported for earning less than £35,000 | Money | The Guardian

    A petition to scrap the £35,000 threshold has attracted more than 100,000 signatures from British citizens and was debated in parliament on Monday. “I started the petition because I don’t want to live in a Britain that will quietly usher thousands of people out of the country without raising a whisper of protest,” says Josh Harbord, the British citizen behind the Stop35k campaign which has attracted the support of SNP, Labour and Green MPs. “I don’t want to live in a country that values people’s incomes over people’s contributions to society.”
    Jon Excell, editor of trade publication The Engineer, is equally worried about the impact on the UK’s engineering sectors, which he says are also facing an acute and worrying skills shortage. “If the UK wants to maintain its position as a world leader in key areas of engineering, international skills are essential. Not just to fill roles, but to help UK-based firms retain an international perspective and reap the economic rewards of a diverse workforce. Yet the average salary of a junior engineer is just £32,000.”

    The Home Office insists that the £35,000 threshold is a fair reflection of skilled salaries in the UK. It adds: “We do not believe there should be an automatic link between coming to work in the UK temporarily and staying permanently. The £35,000 threshold was set following advice from the Migration Advisory Committee, an independent advisory body consisting of expert labour market economists, and was equivalent to the median pay of the UK population in skilled jobs.”
    And for more information on how intracompany transfers are incorporated - https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-intracompany-transfer-worker-visa/eligibility

    And the list of trades are (click on the blue link for the average salary) linky
    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

    #2
    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    The non-EU workers who’ll be deported for earning less than £35,000 | Money | The Guardian





    And for more information on how intracompany transfers are incorporated - https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-intracompany-transfer-worker-visa/eligibility

    And the list of trades are (click on the blue link for the average salary) linky


    Are you suggesting you have to be an idiot to want to scrap the limit?


    I haven't seen this before, but I agree with this


    "I don’t want to live in a country that values people’s incomes over people’s contributions to society"


    Does this mean, by Philippino Nanny will have to leave the country?


    How about we just deport anyone who is unemployed and doesn't want to get off their arse for less than 35k, as opposed to people who want to work for a living, regardless of the country they come from.
    What happens in General, stays in General.
    You know what they say about assumptions!

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      #3
      Article says - "earn at least £35,000 a year to settle permanently in the UK" - earning less means they can't get permanent residency to remove visa requirement, nothing to do with deportation - they can still stay on workpermits etc, IF they can get them - wage limites also apply there, it's tough but can't see any other way than having some reasonable wage limits for both work permits and, especially, permanent residency.
      Last edited by AtW; 12 March 2016, 23:37.

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        #4
        Jon Excell, editor of trade publication The Engineer, is equally worried about the impact on the UK’s engineering sectors, which he says are also facing an acute and worrying skills shortage. “If the UK wants to maintain its position as a world leader in key areas of engineering, international skills are essential. Not just to fill roles, but to help UK-based firms retain an international perspective and reap the economic rewards of a diverse workforce. Yet the average salary of a junior engineer is just £32,000.”

        The Home Office insists that the £35,000 threshold is a fair reflection of skilled salaries in the UK. It adds: “We do not believe there should be an automatic link between coming to work in the UK temporarily and staying permanently. The £35,000 threshold was set following advice from the Migration Advisory Committee, an independent advisory body consisting of expert labour market economists, and was equivalent to the median pay of the UK population in skilled jobs
        Acute skills shortage =
        Incentive for employers to train people.
        Incentive for young people to study engineering.

        Sounds like a Government Committee is doing the right thing for a change!
        Last edited by Flashman; 13 March 2016, 00:01.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Flashman View Post
          Acute skills shortage =
          Incentive for employers to train people.
          Incentive for young people to study engineering.
          1) employers can outsource jobs and save a lot on employment taxes
          2) students will end up with a lot of debt - might as well go and study in some other EU country for free and get job there

          HTH

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            #6
            There should be an exemption for low paid essential workers such as nurses. But if you can't get a junior engineer for 32K, then maybe you need to pay 35K?
            Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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              #7
              Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
              There should be an exemption for low paid essential workers such as nurses. But if you can't get a junior engineer for 32K, then maybe you need to pay 35K?
              That kind of thinking is far too rational.

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                #8
                Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                There should be an exemption for low paid essential workers such as nurses. But if you can't get a junior engineer for 32K, then maybe you need to pay 35K?
                They will claim other countries will out compete us - not taking into account they do already.
                "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flashman View Post
                  Acute skills shortage =
                  Incentive for employers to train people.
                  Incentive for young people to study engineering.

                  Sounds like a Government Committee is doing the right thing for a change!
                  Quite

                  If we need these people because there is a skills shortage then they would be earning in excess of £35,000 a year otherwise the issue is not one of a lack of skills but poor pay.
                  Anything that makes it more difficult for companies to hire people on ICTs is most welcome.
                  Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                    There should be an exemption for low paid essential workers such as nurses. But if you can't get a junior engineer for 32K, then maybe you need to pay 35K?
                    if an employer cannot find a junior engineer for £32k from a skills market of 500 million people then their problem is actually one of incompetence or meanness within their hiring process
                    Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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