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‘Our 17 properties will lose £16,000 per year’

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    ‘Our 17 properties will lose £16,000 per year’

    "Offered no respite in the Budget, landlords are facing a bleak future and a conundrum over how to manage their properties.

    Existing landlords are caught between an income tax bill which is set to begin rising next year, or the stamp duty hit involved in incorporating their properties now.

    Shirleyann Haig, who owns 17 properties in Liverpool, is in this situation. She and her husband Matt are facing long-term financial ruin if they don't incorporate - or a big tax hit now if they do.

    There are three main tax policies that are likely to affect landlords' profitability - all of which are making the future look bleak for the Haigs.

    First, in an unexpected move, the Chancellor, George Osborne, excluded them from a drop in capital gains tax for both higher and basic-rate taxpayers.

    He also confirmed that a 3pc surcharge in stamp duty will go ahead from April 1, as planned in consultation, and scrapped a planned stamp duty exemption for larger landlords, meaning those with more than 15 properties already will also have to pay the extra tax.

    ...

    Now assume the same investor buys via a company. The problem is that the mortgage rates are higher at 4.5pc, so his post-tax income drops immediately to £60,496.

    ...


    What about properties you already own?

    For landlords who already own multiple properties, the benefits of incorporating – such as they are – are difficult to capture.

    That is because capital gains tax may apply when properties are sold by the individual, and stamp duty when they are repurchased by his company.

    .......

    The changes will mean that both become higher-rate taxpayers, and their tax bill is set to rocket. But if she wanted to incorporate the business, the bill would be around £100,000 in stamp duty and set-up costs.

    ......

    Mrs Haig said: “I thought I was helping people with this business, but I’ve ruined my own life by taking a decision which I thought would be good. And then the Government decided landlords were the devil.”

    ...

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    More from the source: ‘Our 17 properties will lose £16,000 per year’

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    So essentially Gidiot trapped people - if he was fair he'd at least should have allowed to incorporate those properties with 0 stamp duty and no CGT - during transitional period of a few years at the very least.

    #2
    Maybe the government actually wants to send the market back down to 1970's levels and thought this was a sensible way to make a start...

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      #3
      Originally posted by bobspud View Post
      Maybe the government actually wants to send the market back down to 1970's levels and thought this was a sensible way to make a start...
      No but the current mess is due to 0% interest rates and were that to ever change anyone with a mortgage will be utterly screwed
      merely at clientco for the entertainment

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        #4
        Originally posted by eek View Post
        No but the current mess is due to 0% interest rates and were that to ever change anyone with a mortgage will be utterly screwed
        No, only those who maxed themselves out with 2% mortgages will be screwed and the longer low rates remain in place the more people will be screwed.

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          #5
          Originally posted by eek View Post
          No but the current mess is due to 0% interest rates and were that to ever change anyone with a mortgage will be utterly screwed
          Actually there are a few issues that got us here.

          1) Pensions are perceived to be total crap not helped by someone in the conservatives standing up and saying hey all you chaps are just paying for the current pensioners retirement we are not actually saving for you because we will all be dead when you idiots figure it out....

          2) The banks + a few more Labour politicians decided it was fine to let whole swathes of people self certify their mortgages and in doing so stopped the cap on 3 times salaries or 2.5 time joint income

          3) Everyone watched the rocket go up and decided that no pensions vs hopping on a rocketing property boom seemed like a long term win because markets never go down...


          Now someone has decided to gently deflate the property boom using a blindfold and a blunderbuss just as they are also trying to make property companies build more houses... I think its time to say sod it and let the whole scheme crash

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            #6
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            And then the Government decided landlords were the devil.
            At last the government does something I agree with.

            Whatever next? Changing the tax laws so that big business does not have an unfair tax advantage?

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              #7
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              No, only those who maxed themselves out with 2% mortgages will be screwed and the longer low rates remain in place the more people will be screwed.
              Rates are not low. This is the correct level. For the Ponzi scheme to not be found out.

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                #8
                Originally posted by bobspud View Post
                Actually there are a few issues that got us here.

                1) Pensions are perceived to be total crap not helped by someone in the conservatives standing up and saying hey all you chaps are just paying for the current pensioners retirement we are not actually saving for you because we will all be dead when you idiots figure it out....
                Pensions were always done like that.

                The problem was no government before the 90s "remembered" they were suppose to increase the retirement age in line with increasing life expectancy so you only suppose to live 10 years max after retirement.

                It would have been worse if the EU hadn't pointed out that you can't sexually discriminate on pension age otherwise the 1995 bill on pensions equalisation would never have been passed.

                Originally posted by bobspud View Post
                2) The banks + a few more Labour polithcians decided it was fine to let whole swathes of people self certify their mortgages and in doing so stopped the cap on 3 times salaries or 2.5 time joint income
                It started well before Nu Labour - you can blame Major's government for self-certify.

                Originally posted by bobspud View Post
                3) Everyone watched the rocket go up and decided that no pensions vs hopping on a rocketing property boom seemed like a long term win because markets never go down...

                Now someone has decided to gently deflate the property boom using a blindfold and a blunderbuss just as they are also trying to make property companies build more houses... I think its time to say sod it and let the whole scheme crash
                Too late.

                The only way property prices can be controlled is to ban people without an NI number buying a property like many EU nations and to build more properties for normal people. There is enough land even in the SE but they aren't allowed to build on it.

                The fact that my local councillors even when they had people in the local area, who would have had to put up with the disruption, supporting the building of new properties turned it down shows that the problems within planning in this country run very deep.
                "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                  build more properties for normal people.
                  Why should CUK posters be left out?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                    Why should CUK posters be left out?
                    They won't. They will be renting from MF.

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