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DimPrawn
27th April 2016, 18:13
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Brexit!

AtW
27th April 2016, 18:20
*yawn*

There won't be Brexit, get over it.

sasguru
27th April 2016, 18:25
*yawn*

There won't be Brexit, get over it.

Indeed. You've got to drag these cretins kicking and screaming to make the right decision;)

jamesbrown
27th April 2016, 18:45
The intellectual case for Bremain :laugh

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sasguru
27th April 2016, 19:03
The intellectual case for Bremain :laugh

Some guff

What a disappointment. I thought you were that rare thing, an intelligent Brexiteer. And you turn out to be Dims alter ego :laugh

scooterscot
27th April 2016, 19:56
Vote Leave on June 24th!



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shaunbhoy
27th April 2016, 20:06
This whole debate is risible. The bottom line is that neither side really knows what it will be like with any great degree of certainty.
I suspect that overall, the overwhelming majority of people will notice little or no difference to their standard of living whether we remain or leave.
The whole affair stinks of Animal Farmism to me.
Nobody can provide real facts because it is a step into the unknown. It is difficult to put a price on the value of sovereignty, but for many that issue is well worth paying for.
It boils down to whether or not you trust politicians in Westminster to deliver better services than their counterparts in Brussels have done. And when it comes to placing your trust in any flavour of modern politician, it really is Hobson's choice.
Still undecided but wavering in the direction of OUT largely as that prospect seems to miff the powers that be so much.
However, I am open to persuasion if valid arguments can be made by either camp. Fat chance!!
Dazzle me folks!! :eyes

scooterscot
27th April 2016, 20:11
I suspect that overall, the overwhelming majority of people will notice little or no difference to their standard of living whether we remain or leave.

You know what you'll get if you remain. The same as yesterday. It's out that's covered in mystery.


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PurpleGorilla
27th April 2016, 20:11
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Crash and burn baby.

sasguru
27th April 2016, 20:21
This whole debate is risible. The bottom line is that neither side really knows what it will be like with any great degree of certainty.
I suspect that overall, the overwhelming majority of people will notice little or no difference to their standard of living whether we remain or leave.
The whole affair stinks of Animal Farmism to me.
Nobody can provide real facts because it is a step into the unknown. It is difficult to put a price on the value of sovereignty, but for many that issue is well worth paying for.
It boils down to whether or not you trust politicians in Westminster to deliver better services than their counterparts in Brussels have done. And when it comes to placing your trust in any flavour of modern politician, it really is Hobson's choice.
Still undecided but wavering in the direction of OUT largely as that prospect seems to miff the powers that be so much.
However, I am open to persuasion if valid arguments can be made by either camp. Fat chance!!
Dazzle me folks!! :eyes

You're right, your security guard job will be fine either way. Don't worry about it :rollin::rollin:

stek
27th April 2016, 21:27
Maybe we could have two sets of UK citizens Brexins and Brexouts. With tech these days wouldn't be hard, Brexins would get full EU access for work, living, holidays etc, EU goods with no tariffs or duties, whilst Brexouts would have to apply for visas for work in EU and to go on holiday, pay duty, customs, VAT etc on EU goods, and get their £1 a day back that the EU supposedly costs each of us.

Sorted.

DimPrawn
27th April 2016, 21:30
Maybe we could have two sets of UK citizens Brexins and Brexouts. With tech these days wouldn't be hard, Brexins would get full EU access for work, living, holidays etc, EU goods with no tariffs or duties, whilst Brexouts would have to apply for visas for work in EU and to go on holiday, pay duty, customs, VAT etc on EU goods, and get their £1 a day back that the EU supposedly costs each of us.

Sorted.

We get a new fully staffed hospital every week, controlled borders and trade with the rest of the World on our terms. You get to die on a trolley whilst 2000 Albanians and Turks are in the queue ahead of you for medical treatment. Enjoy!

Flashman
27th April 2016, 21:36
We get a new fully staffed hospital every week, controlled borders and trade with the rest of the World on our terms. You get to die on a trolley whilst 2000 Albanians and Turks are in the queue ahead of you for medical treatment. Enjoy!

Now that's a rebuttal !

stek
27th April 2016, 21:39
We get a new fully staffed hospital every week, controlled borders and trade with the rest of the World on our terms. You get to die on a trolley whilst 2000 Albanians and Turks are in the queue ahead of you for medical treatment. Enjoy!

Last time I looked Albania and Turkey are not EU. Any, let that go, cognitive dissonance abounds amongst the less intelligent here.

Anyway, you enjoy the fully staffed hospital and the £185,000 bill for a minor operation from the US company that is running your part of the hospital!

Our Terms? Come on, UK doesn't have the clout, just the debt....

sasguru
27th April 2016, 21:41
Now that's a rebuttal !

Only if you're an imbecile. Are you ?

sasguru
27th April 2016, 21:50
Our Terms? Come on, UK doesn't have the clout, just the debt....

What you need to understand is that Brexiteers deep down still believe in the myth of British exceptionalism, not having the historical gumption to understand that that has been common throughout history with many other cultures that were also top dog once.

stek
27th April 2016, 21:58
What you need to understand is that Brexiteers deep down still believe in the myth of British exceptionalism, not having the historical gumption to understand that that has been common throughout history with many other cultures that were also top dog once.

Exactly - look at Egypt, Greece and Italy (Rome)...

We've had our Double-century at the crease, now we're tail-end bowler on a King Pair.....

jamesbrown
27th April 2016, 22:15
What a disappointment. I thought you were that rare thing, an intelligent Brexiteer. And you turn out to be Dims alter ego :laugh

:happy

Intelligence is a relative thing. Take Lord Rose, for example.

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Pants indeed.

zemoxyl
27th April 2016, 23:11
You know what you'll get if you remain. The same as yesterday. It's out that's covered in mystery.



You know what you'll get if you remain. TTIP. Barry Obama said so. It'll make the old Soviet Union seem like a holiday camp.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/260380/bis-13-1284-costs-and-benefits-of-an-eu-usa-investment-protection-treaty.pdf

#Brexit and get at least 10 more years freedom.

Chuck
28th April 2016, 07:09
Last time I looked Albania and Turkey are not EU.


They will be soon enough. And if they aren't, Turkey will stop cooperating with the EU on the migrant situation.


Anyway, you enjoy the fully staffed hospital and the £185,000 bill for a minor operation from the US company that is running your part of the hospital!

You mean the US company that is allowed in due to TTIP? TTIP that is being agreed in secret by the EU?


Our Terms? Come on, UK doesn't have the clout, just the debt....

That is a fair point.

shaunbhoy
28th April 2016, 08:00
You're right, your security guard job will be fine either way. Don't worry about it :rollin::rollin:

But enough of me. How about you, how will this affect househusbands? Will your pinafores cost extra?

:laugh :laugh

sasguru
28th April 2016, 08:18
But enough of me. How about you, how will this affect househusbands? Will your pinafores cost extra?

:laugh :laugh

Well I'm sure those of us making Britain great by selling our services to Europe while working from home, have the nous and brains to find opportunities wherever they may present themselves.:wink

shaunbhoy
28th April 2016, 08:21
Well I'm sure those of us making Britain great by selling our services to Europe while working from home, have the nous and brains to find opportunities wherever they may present themselves.:wink

Still down the docks doing favours for sailors then? Oldest occupation and all that..... :tongue

sasguru
28th April 2016, 08:23
Still down the docks doing favours for sailors then? Oldest occupation and all that..... :tongue

Yeah whatever. How've you been anyway - all good I hope?

shaunbhoy
28th April 2016, 08:35
Yeah whatever. How've you been anyway - all good I hope?

Oh not too bad thanks for asking. Still tottering towards early retirement and a place in the sun with Mrs SB. Getting close to handing the baton over to a constantly whining generation y.

Old Greg
28th April 2016, 08:36
Oh not too bad thanks for asking. Still tottering towards early retirement and a place in the sun with Mrs SB. Getting close to handing the baton over to a constantly whining generation y.

Not that early.

shaunbhoy
28th April 2016, 08:37
Not that early.

:bang: I resemble that remark!

sasguru
28th April 2016, 08:52
Still tottering towards early retirement and a place in the sun with Mrs SB. .

Better vote Remain then ,what?:wink
Unless you're aiming for more exotic climes?

vetran
28th April 2016, 11:21
Better vote Remain then ,what?:wink
Unless you're aiming for more exotic climes?

he will have the whole commonwealth to retire to. Watch out for the sheep & Penguins on the Falklands.

WTFH
28th April 2016, 11:23
he will have the whole commonwealth to retire to. Watch out for the sheep & Penguins on the Falklands.


He's hoping to meet a few cute ones.

shaunbhoy
28th April 2016, 11:25
he will have the whole commonwealth to retire to. Watch out for the sheep & Penguins on the Falklands.

Contemplating the Iberian peninsula. Warm and sunny enough and cheap too. Also has the advantage of being easily accessible. I fully expect that the Govermint will alarm sufficient numbers of the voting populace into remaining as to make the transition seamless enough.
Siestas and copious amounts of plonk. Luvverly!! :smile

DodgyAgent
28th April 2016, 11:27
Well I'm sure those of us making Britain great by selling our services to Europe while w**king from home, have the nous and brains to find opportunities wherever they may present themselves.:wink


FTFY

sasguru
28th April 2016, 11:34
Contemplating the Iberian peninsula. Warm and sunny enough and cheap too. Also has the advantage of being easily accessible. I fully expect that the Govermint will alarm sufficient numbers of the voting populace into remaining as to make the transition seamless enough.
Siestas and copious amounts of plonk. Luvverly!! :smile

Sounds good, contemplating much the same in about 10 years when the sprog is old enough.
Have to work now to pay his school fees:mad
So vote to Remain, it shall be.:laugh:laugh

sasguru
28th April 2016, 11:34
FTFY

You're just jealous that your :winker: is free.

Drei
28th April 2016, 13:23
Opting for out but it is a catch 22, both side have enough uncertainty to confuse just about everyone. Don't think anyone has all the facts to make a sound decision and will go with gut feeling.
It will also be whatever has a direct impact on your life, whatever you can see on your every day life.

This is my gut feeling and what I can see:

I would be all up for IN without blinking if the EU had a EU minimum wage and EU rules, how can you open the borders, have movement freedom yet have such different pay grades. Criminals moving freely across. The EU wants to be a USA with all the States having different rules etc but 1 governing body. Do that but implement the infrastructure to support it before you allow anyone else to join.

Most of the poor EU countries pay £1 to £2.5 an hour. This is for good jobs not crappy jobs. Most of the people earning this money do not want to leave because they value family, friends and life outside work, they don't want to come to UK and be immigrants so think about the people that actually do come. Sexism, Racism and Ageist is extremely common.

For me the main point is the immigration. You cannot have 28 countries yet the population of 10 of these countries flooding 1. The UK has the same land mass (248.5k km2) as 1 particular EU country yet 5 times the population, quarter of that countries population is in the UK anyhow. Bulgaria about 8 million, how many are in the UK? How many children do you think they have?
France is 3 times as big as the UK, approx same population. Germany is not great with population vs land mass but still not bad with +16 mill people than the UK but also 110k extra km2.
Honestly I think there are a lot more people in the UK than we are aware of.

What happens if you move most of the people on a boat to one side? It will capsize pure and simple. So unless the UK can somehow improve its infrastructure by 5 times ASAP we will drown. There is no question about it. When (not IF) the UK will collapse what will happen then?

How much of the money that the economical migrants generate actually goes back into the UK economy and not back to their countries to buy houses, create business etc? Housing boomed in Eastern Europe because of all the money from the West, the house prices went up by %500.
They are here purely to make money and pay as little as possible in return, living 10 in a house paying £200 a month and so forth. Abusing the benefits system (we have plenty of British people doing that already no need to add to it). Not sure if many remember that TV Program showing how Romania and Bulgaria had special training classes showing them how and what to claim once they got to the UK?
Any idea on how the Health System works there? It is also Free yet if you do not pay the receptionist, the doctor, the cleaning lady, the nurse, the surgeon etc you won't get treated? Of course you would want to come to the UK and abuse the NHS.

We keep talking about freedom of movement and sharing information with EU authorities yet you see criminals with serious criminal pasts coming to the UK unchallenged only to cause grief or worst kill.


Public System and Private System can't cope. NHS, Education, Housing, Transport, Road Traffic, Pollution, Police, Crime etc

A lot of EU rules and regulations do have positive effects but I am not sure that the benefits outweigh the cost paid by the UK. These can be implemented anyhow.

The whole of the EU need a serious restructure before allowing everyone else up to Russia to join in.


Long post but it is quite annoying when you don't live in the middle of it. My facts are based on what I know and see every day, things that have a negative impact on my life. Things that got worse in the past 10+ years. I would either review and amend the whole EU (fat chance) or Brexit and have the UK use a points system as Australia/Canada for allowing whatever work force is needed in the UK. Please feel free to challenge these facts and then tell me how the hell are you going to squeeze in 80 million people in 240k km2. What about the houses they live in?
The UK has the highest population in the EU per square mile and will most likely become (if it isn't already) the overall highest which will only become worse once the rest of proposed countries join the EU.

Germany: 357 376 km2 @ 81 197 537
France: 633 187 km2 @ 66 415 161
UK: 248 528 km² @ 64 875 165

Is the UK going to fail on its own? Don't know but they have a huge weight and will shake the EU to its core if it leaves. Maybe even make them re-think a few things.