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psychocandy
28th April 2016, 12:12
Got client to agree to 1 day per fortnight WFH but no fixed day. Hey ho - was hoping for one day per week but better than nothing.

And as long as I dont tell the permies about this agreement lol. :eyes

Old Greg
28th April 2016, 12:36
Got client to agree to 1 day per fortnight WFH but no fixed day. Hey ho - was hoping for one day per week but better than nothing.

And as long as I dont tell the permies about this agreement lol. :eyes

Well done. Makes a big difference to life.



Can you synchronise it with signing on day?

psychocandy
28th April 2016, 12:45
Well done. Makes a big difference to life.



Can you synchronise it with signing on day?

Now theres an idea. Sign on is every two weeks! I could make myself redundant then just keep quiet and still sign on. No-one would ever know.

Of course, that would be illegal and I don't do illegal. Apart from parking on double yellow outside the train station because I know no-one ever checks that street (And its £8 a day in the station NCP car park!)

SlipTheJab
28th April 2016, 12:48
Got client to agree to 1 day per fortnight WFH but no fixed day. Hey ho - was hoping for one day per week but better than nothing.

And as long as I dont tell the permies about this agreement lol. :eyes

I recommend 'Here come the Sheriffs', 'Cash in the Attic', 'Judge Rinder' and of course 'David Dickensons Real Deal', Coundown has gone downhill but Tiping Point is worth a go HTHBIDI :D

psychocandy
28th April 2016, 13:03
I recommend 'Here come the Sheriffs', 'Cash in the Attic', 'Judge Rinder' and of course 'David Dickensons Real Deal', Coundown has gone downhill but Tiping Point is worth a go HTHBIDI :D

You forgot the staple of all WFH and dole scroungers - Jeremy Kyle!

quackhandle
28th April 2016, 13:45
And not forgetting Wheeler Dealers. Nice Audi Quattro this morning.

qh

TheFaQQer
28th April 2016, 13:54
I recommend 'Here come the Sheriffs', 'Cash in the Attic', 'Judge Rinder' and of course 'David Dickensons Real Deal', Coundown has gone downhill but Tiping Point is worth a go HTHBIDI :D

Homes Under the Hammer :)

northernladuk
28th April 2016, 14:31
Wrong part of the forums. Booms go in General.

Old Greg
28th April 2016, 14:40
Wrong part of the forums. Booms go in General.

Not if you're scared to get abuse about JSA. Different rules apply then.

northernladuk
28th April 2016, 14:53
No fixed day for WFH? So you've just negotiated your way in to D&C?

MrMarkyMark
28th April 2016, 14:58
You negotiated FFS....well done :yay:

barrydidit
28th April 2016, 15:19
Don't try WFH (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WFH&defid=2922049) with a semi :glasses

MrMarkyMark
28th April 2016, 15:23
Don't try WFH (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WFH&defid=2922049) with a semi :glasses

I'm sure he won't :D

Old Greg
28th April 2016, 16:00
No fixed day for WFH? So you've just negotiated your way in to D&C?

I thought it was established he's inside IR35 anyway.

MrMarkyMark
28th April 2016, 16:07
FTFY

I thought it was established he's inside IR35, with a free life times supply of lube, anyway.

psychocandy
3rd May 2016, 07:48
Not if you're scared to get abuse about JSA. Different rules apply then.

You are kidding right?

You might have noticed I dont give a monkeys :ohwell

psychocandy
3rd May 2016, 07:49
No fixed day for WFH? So you've just negotiated your way in to D&C?

Yeh right if you say so. So you're saying that just because client, whos paying by the way, asks that you are available on site at some times, thats D&C. I don't think so.

psychocandy
3rd May 2016, 07:50
I thought it was established he's inside IR35 anyway.

Yes Im not as important as some of you. :laugh

kaiser78
3rd May 2016, 12:07
Got client to agree to 1 day per fortnight WFH but no fixed day. Hey ho - was hoping for one day per week but better than nothing.

And as long as I dont tell the permies about this agreement lol. :eyes

These days wfh 1 day per week should be the norm even for contractors - as you say 1 day in 10 is better than no days.

northernladuk
3rd May 2016, 12:10
These days wfh 1 day per week should be the norm even for contractors - as you say 1 day in 10 is better than no days.

I don't agree with this. I don't think WFH should be the norm and particularly for contractors in this day and age. The number of utterly shit contractors on the scene is growing due to it becoming the normal method of engagement. If anything I'd be looking for contractors to prove their worth before engaging in discussions about flexibility. IMO it's a tool to be used in the right circumstances, not a right.

kaiser78
3rd May 2016, 12:14
I don't agree with this. I don't think WFH should be the norm and particularly for contractors in this day and age. The number of utterly tulip contractors on the scene is growing due to it becoming the normal method of engagement. If anything I'd be looking for contractors to prove their worth before engaging in discussions about flexibility. IMO it's a tool to be used in the right circumstances, not a right.

Sorry I don't agree with this ! I am not saying it is a right, just an accepted way of working today, even for contractors. For me I always make sure that wfh agreement is made before I sign a contract, albeit not the first thing I would bring up at interview...

northernladuk
3rd May 2016, 12:27
Sorry I don't agree with this ! I am not saying it is a right, just an accepted way of working today, even for contractors. For me I always make sure that wfh agreement is made before I sign a contract, albeit not the first thing I would bring up at interview...

How can it be an accepted way? For a start we supply services to clients. We deliver what the client wants with some flexibility depending on the gig. Where can we have an accepted way of working when the client has the requirements and that requirement changes client per client. You may dictate your working terms before you sign a contract by all means but they are your terms of engagement, not an accepted way of working.

Yes in this day and age there is no technology blocker as to why we can't work from home but particularly with contractors this needs to be managed on a case by case basis. Far too many slackers out there spoiling it for the rest of us so not unreasonable for a client to say no until you've proved you can deliver. So many times I rock up to clients and see contractors taking the piss with the WFH. I don't know who they think they are kidding, can't get hold of them, output drops, waffle when it comes to status meetings. Sadly the clients don't deal with it properly and it's allowed to go on.

We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't believe it's a right or a way or working. IMO It's a negotiation point that varies from client to client but not unreasonable for a client to say no at least in the early stages.

psychocandy
3rd May 2016, 12:48
I don't agree with this. I don't think WFH should be the norm and particularly for contractors in this day and age. The number of utterly tulip contractors on the scene is growing due to it becoming the normal method of engagement. If anything I'd be looking for contractors to prove their worth before engaging in discussions about flexibility. IMO it's a tool to be used in the right circumstances, not a right.

I agree with NLUK for once!

Its not a right - its just too easy to skive when WFH. I can see why a client may be wary.

Been here over 18 months at current client so they know how crap I am!!!! :-)

psychocandy
3rd May 2016, 12:51
How can it be an accepted way? For a start we supply services to clients. We deliver what the client wants with some flexibility depending on the gig. Where can we have an accepted way of working when the client has the requirements and that requirement changes client per client. You may dictate your working terms before you sign a contract by all means but they are your terms of engagement, not an accepted way of working.

Yes in this day and age there is no technology blocker as to why we can't work from home but particularly with contractors this needs to be managed on a case by case basis. Far too many slackers out there spoiling it for the rest of us so not unreasonable for a client to say no until you've proved you can deliver. So many times I rock up to clients and see contractors taking the piss with the WFH. I don't know who they think they are kidding, can't get hold of them, output drops, waffle when it comes to status meetings. Sadly the clients don't deal with it properly and it's allowed to go on.

We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't believe it's a right or a way or working. IMO It's a negotiation point that varies from client to client but not unreasonable for a client to say no at least in the early stages.

And I would also say its a culture thing in some clients (and also with some client managers). They just dont like WFH. I had a bit of a job getting anything sorted this time - all because one manager just doesnt like it and doesnt want the permies doing it at all. Took a while to convince him that I wasnt like the permies and in fact did different thing.

Good IR35 pointer eh nluk? Permies not allowed I am :rollin:

kaiser78
3rd May 2016, 13:17
I agree with NLUK for once!

Its not a right - its just too easy to skive when WFH. I can see why a client may be wary.

Been here over 18 months at current client so they know how crap I am!!!! :-)

I won't labour the point, but I didn't say it is a right, but more of an accepted working culture these days, which is a slightly different.