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    Excellent article by Liam Fox on EU

    2016-05-10 Liam Fox: A European army is a vanity project that would sap our strength

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    In an era of globalisation, with enormous new opportunities, we are locked into a backward and inward looking political model designed in the 1950s and executed by bureaucrats and a political class seemingly indifferent to either the wishes or needs of their citizens.

    We have witnessed a generation of young Europeans having their hopes for the future sacrificed on the altar of the single currency with all the social tensions that this will produce.

    Despite our wise decision not to join the euro, our economic and trading interests are compromised by our proximity to this inherently flawed and ultimately doomed project.

    The relentless pursuit of a pan-EU diplomatic service, exacerbated by the willingness of successive British governments to shrink the size of the FCO has reduced our overseas footprint, undiluted our influence at a time of unprecedented global opportunity.

    It is completely clear, to any remotely objective observer, that any talk of “a reformed EU” is a lie. Not only is the direction of travel firmly towards the goal of ever closer union but the EU is increasingly taking on the trappings of statehood.

    Yet the decision we have to take on the 23rd June is much more profound than simply our membership of the European Union itself. The crucial question is this – do we believe that a supranational body is an appropriate vehicle for prosperity, stability and security in the 21st century? I do not.

    I believe in international institutions not a supranational one. I want cooperation with our partners and allies where it is in our mutual interest to do so. However, I believe in keeping separate the instruments by which we can pursue Britain’s independent national interests in a world where to do so will require flexibility and agility. The EU is a drag on our national aspirations.
    That last part is what the remainiacs consistently fail to grasp. Their generally limited intellects mean they tend to think of everything in black and white, with "in" meaning cooperation and "out" isolation.

    But we can cooperate with European countries perfectly well once out of the EU, as we have for ages before it was ever thought of, and in the unlikely event that petty EU vindictiveness compromises this after an exit then was it something ever worth being in anyway?
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
    2016-05-10 Liam Fox: A European army is a vanity project that would sap our strength



    That last part is what the remainiacs consistently fail to grasp. Their generally limited intellects mean they tend to think of everything in black and white, with "in" meaning cooperation and "out" isolation.

    But we can cooperate with European countries perfectly well once out of the EU, as we have for ages before it was ever thought of, and in the unlikely event that petty EU vindictiveness compromises this after an exit then was it something ever worth being in anyway?
    So are you looking at the Swiss model or Norwegian model, or something different? If something different, how much will the UK have to pay the EU and what will the UK get in return in terms of benefits and obligations?

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      #3
      I believe in international institutions not a supranational one. I want cooperation with our partners and allies where it is in our mutual interest to do so. However, I believe in keeping separate the instruments by which we can pursue Britain’s independent national interests in a world where to do so will require flexibility and agility.
      - possibly after a Brexit it won't be for other countries mutual interests to deal with Britain, they'll possibly find it much easier to deal with countries which are in their own, already existing trading block

      - exactly what is meant by 'Britain’s independent national interests?'
      Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
        So are you looking at the Swiss model or Norwegian model, or something different? If something different, how much will the UK have to pay the EU and what will the UK get in return in terms of benefits and obligations?
        Err pay the EU for what?

        Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
        - possibly after a Brexit it won't be for other countries mutual interests to deal with Britain, they'll possibly find it much easier to deal with countries which are in their own, already existing trading block

        - exactly what is meant by 'Britain’s independent national interests?'
        Or if it is still in their interests - and there is no compelling reason to say it would not be, except for petty disruptions from the EU, - they would continue to deal with Britain in mutually beneficial agreements.

        No one who votes for Brexit believes that people will trade with us if it is no economically viable - we also believe that the only reason that would change would be due to rules passed by the EU to make it so.

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          #5
          Originally posted by original PM View Post
          Err pay the EU for what?

          For access to single market, as Norway and Switzerland do.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
            For access to single market, as Norway and Switzerland do.
            What about the Canada model.

            The Greenland model.
            http://www.cih.org/news-article/disp...housing_market

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              #7
              Originally posted by PurpleGorilla View Post
              What about the Canada model.

              The Greenland model.
              Great, which of those has the EU signed up to for the UK? You might have my vote.

              Also, does that Canada model include Canada's Financial Services' free access to the EU single market?
              Last edited by Old Greg; 12 May 2016, 10:49.

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                #8
                Excellent article by Liam Fox on EU

                Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                Great, which of those has the EU signed up to for the UK? You might have my vote.

                Also, does that Canada model include Canada's Financial Services' free access to the EU single market?
                We will have a UK model.

                Jesus Christ. We put man on the moon, split the atom, invented the microchip.

                Great things come from great effort and great vision, and great hard work. Not this, oh what about the tulip tulip.
                Last edited by PurpleGorilla; 12 May 2016, 10:58.
                http://www.cih.org/news-article/disp...housing_market

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PurpleGorilla View Post
                  We will have a UK model.
                  What are the details of it?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                    What are the details of it?
                    Did Kennedy know the details when he inspired to put man on the moon. The U.S. Hadn't put a man in to space!
                    http://www.cih.org/news-article/disp...housing_market

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