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Halo Jones
27th June 2016, 08:09
Ok so regardless of which way you voted – we can now see the lies coming out on both sides

The £350m is not true
There will not be an emergency budget
We do want to join the single market
There will not be emergency cuts to Government spending
The free movement of workers is a good thing


Did I miss any ?

:ohwell

northernladuk
27th June 2016, 08:16
And all this is a surprise to you??

original PM
27th June 2016, 08:18
Ok so regardless of which way you voted – we can now see the lies coming out on both sides

The £350m is not true - Everyone knew that there is a nominal figure that we pay to the EU for membership - I think the fact that no one could come up with an actual figure probably tells enough of a story in itself
There will not be an emergency budget - So
We do want to join the single market - no want to trade with who want to trade with under the conditions which are mutually beneficially to both parties - not have our trade agreements dictated to us.
There will not be emergency cuts to Government spending - So
The free movement of workers is a good thing - Yes indeed - what want to stop is the free movement of people who for whatever reason are unable to support themselves or integrate into UK culture


Did I miss any ?

Just some facts really?

:ohwell

HTH

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 08:19
And all this is a surprise to you??

Politicians Lie Shocker :eek:

WTFH
27th June 2016, 08:33
Missed the bit that if we want to trade with the EU we have to abide by their regulations.
Missed the bit that the parts of the country which benefitted most from EU hand outs wanted out of the EU and are now wanting the UK to give them the hand outs instead.
Missed the bit that we are still run by unelected commissioners (or "Civil Servants" and "Special Advisers" as they are called)

scooterscot
27th June 2016, 08:35
You missed 'There'll be more migrants than ever' as France seeks to move the British border in Calais back to Britain.

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 08:38
You missed 'There'll be more migrants than ever' as France seeks to move the British border in Calais back to Britain.

Won't happen, you do talk some tulip :eyes

vetran
27th June 2016, 08:39
You missed 'There'll be more migrants than ever' as France seeks to move the British border in Calais back to Britain.


I suppose we should do what the French do, when they appear here just pop them on the train back accompanied by a few policemen.

scooterscot
27th June 2016, 08:39
Won't happen, you do talk some tulip :eyes

So we're not leaving the EU now?

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 08:42
So we're not leaving the EU now?

I didn't say that, however the operation of that border will stay as it is.

BlasterBates
27th June 2016, 08:42
Nick Clegg got it:

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/nick-clegg-predicted-the-future-with-stunning-accuracy--b1e60RgHREb

SlipTheJab
27th June 2016, 08:46
All referendums should be best of three, or tell the EU we'll stay if they let us win the football and singing contests :D

NotAllThere
27th June 2016, 08:49
There will not be an emergency budget - So
So the Remainers lied. Which part of "we can now see the lies coming out on both sides" didn't you understand?

There will not be emergency cuts to Government spending - So
So the Remainers lied. Which part of "we can now see the lies coming out on both sides" didn't you understand?


You missed 'There'll be more migrants than ever' as France seeks to move the British border in Calais back to Britain.That's just the daft Calais mayor blowing her trumpet. It's also not in fact an EU issue.

scooterscot
27th June 2016, 08:50
I didn't say that, however the operation of that border will stay as it is.

Why should the French operate a foreign border on their territory?

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 08:55
Why should the French operate a foreign border on their territory?

Very simple, they have a very physical border there, so no real choice.

BrilloPad
27th June 2016, 08:55
The free movement of workers is a good thing


Is it?

scooterscot
27th June 2016, 08:57
Is it?

It is for the UK. Who else will cut our hair?

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 09:00
It is for the UK. Who else will cut our hair?

Why do you GAS, you don't even live here?

scooterscot
27th June 2016, 09:02
Why do you GAS, you don't even live here?

I fly over twice a year for my haircuts. Can't trust these Turkish barbers out here. Much prefer my local Polish barber in Edinburgh.

dx4100
27th June 2016, 09:05
Its a bit annoying to see grown adults complaining about being lied to. A part of the political process is working out what is bullshit and what is not.

Seriously, if you believed the 350 million thing then you are really are a chump. We will never see any of that money if we are going to be in the single market. As Merkel said today... It comes at a price.

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 09:09
FTFY

Its a bit annoying to see grown adults complaining about being lied to. A part of the political process is working out that it is largely all complete bulltulip and truth is at a premium.

vetran
27th June 2016, 09:14
All referendums should be best of three, or tell the EU we'll stay if they let us win the football and singing contests :D

Bild were pretty kind with their pledges.

Halo Jones
27th June 2016, 10:10
Its a bit annoying to see grown adults complaining about being lied to. A part of the political process is working out what is bulltulip and what is not.

Seriously, if you believed the 350 million thing then you are really are a chump. We will never see any of that money if we are going to be in the single market. As Merkel said today... It comes at a price.

I am not actually complaining – I fully understood & expected both sides to lie brazenly, I am more surprised that both sides are, so soon after the event, ‘fessing up to it

bobspud
27th June 2016, 10:11
Why should the French operate a foreign border on their territory?

Because we NEVER were part of the Schengen agreement. if they had any brains they would be operating a secure border on the other side of their country so that they wouldn't have such a horrific situation... Open borders was a anarchists dream and its no wonder that its probably going to destroy the EU..

We could always suspend the use of ferry and rail connections temporarily say a year or two. that would solve the problem as there would no longer be a border crossing..

VectraMan
27th June 2016, 10:23
Open borders was a anarchists dream and its no wonder that its probably going to destroy the EU..

Only if you look at it in terms of illegal migration. The benefits of an open land-border are obviously huge, and the costs of managing hundreds of miles of border also huge and never going to be effective in keeping people out anyway - just ask an American. Schengen never made sense for the UK because being an island (NI excepted) you probably need some kind of identification anyway so may as well have passport controls.

It makes sense logistically for the UK to manage its border in France, but the French probably weren't expecting to have to deal with the quantity of migrants. The solution ought to be us helping to deal with the problems in Calais more than we do.

AtW
27th June 2016, 10:59
Did I miss any ?
:ohwell

Cameron said he will NOT resign in event of exit vote, fooking liar!!! :mad

SueEllen
27th June 2016, 11:09
Because we NEVER were part of the Schengen agreement. if they had any brains they would be operating a secure border on the other side of their country so that they wouldn't have such a horrific situation... Open borders was a anarchists dream and its no wonder that its probably going to destroy the EU..

We could always suspend the use of ferry and rail connections temporarily say a year or two. that would solve the problem as there would no longer be a border crossing..

Can you explain how France and Spain can secure a border of mountains?

Unfortunately geographic means that it is not always possible for a country to secure a border especially when neither country can be strictly sure where the actually border is.

SueEllen
27th June 2016, 11:09
Cameron said he will NOT resign in event of exit vote, fooking liar!!! :mad


He had to say that to stop everyone voting leave.

TOSH1
27th June 2016, 11:10
Its a bit annoying to see grown adults complaining about being lied to. A part of the political process is working out what is bulltulip and what is not.

Seriously, if you believed the 350 million thing then you are really are a chump. We will never see any of that money if we are going to be in the single market. As Merkel said today... It comes at a price.

After the vote there was a surge in Brits googling 'What is the EU'

That is something to be ashamed of. There are so many chumps in the UK.

original PM
27th June 2016, 11:21
Can you explain how France and Spain can secure a border of mountains?

Unfortunately geographic means that it is not always possible for a country to secure a border especially when neither country can be strictly sure where the actually border is.

The point is they cannot which is why allowing the free movement of people across mainland Europe was allowed - mainly because there was no way you could stop it - so not really a decision to allow it more a decision not to spend money trying to stop it - and then tell everyone it is a 'good thing' and we 'allowed' it.

Obviously as England is not part of mainland Europe quite clearly different rules need to apply because we do have to manage our borders (which we do) and so we do not really need to sign up to the 'free movement of people is a good thing and we allow it' bollox.

WTFH
27th June 2016, 11:25
Obviously as England is not part of mainland Europe quite clearly different rules need to apply because we do have to manage our borders (which we do) and so we do not really need to sign up to the 'free movement of people is a good thing and we allow it' bollox.



England does not currently manage its borders with Wales & Scotland and does allow "free movement of people".

original PM
27th June 2016, 11:30
England does not currently manage its borders with Wales & Scotland and does allow "free movement of people".

Yes and if Scotland decides to move on we may end up having to put border controls because peoples from the EU will go to Scotland, realise it shit and always rains and then try to get into England!

SueEllen
27th June 2016, 11:30
The point is they cannot which is why allowing the free movement of people across mainland Europe was allowed - mainly because there was no way you could stop it - so not really a decision to allow it more a decision not to spend money trying to stop it - and then tell everyone it is a 'good thing' and we 'allowed' it.

Obviously as England is not part of mainland Europe quite clearly different rules need to apply because we do have to manage our borders (which we do) and so we do not really need to sign up to the 'free movement of people is a good thing and we allow it' bollox.

It was up to UK governments past and present to ensure that the benefits system was for people who had a stake in this country and weren't passing through. All UK governments of all political colours failed in doing this.

In other countries in the EU you are allowed to move to the country but if you don't have a job and can't prove you can support yourself you have no recourse to public funds, and in some cases can be forced to leave after 3 months.

SueEllen
27th June 2016, 11:32
Yes and if Scotland decides to move on we may end up having to put border controls because peoples from the EU will go to Scotland, realise it tulip and always rains and then try to get into England!

If they do then it's again a failure of the English and Welsh government.

Other countries keep track of people moving around. In fact in some European countries every time you interact with a government, bank or do a significant retail transaction you are expected to give out an ID number.

original PM
27th June 2016, 12:30
If they do then it's again a failure of the English and Welsh government.

Other countries keep track of people moving around. In fact in some European countries every time you interact with a government, bank or do a significant retail transaction you are expected to give out an ID number.

Ok well now that we are suppose to be having 'controlled immigration' then this is one of the measures we can implement.

The idea to leave was so that we could concentrate on out problems and not worry about the problems of mainland Europe.....

DodgyAgent
27th June 2016, 12:32
Yes and if Scotland decides to move on we may end up having to put border controls because peoples from the EU will go to Scotland, realise it tulip and always rains and then try to get into England!


:laugh:laugh:laugh

vetran
27th June 2016, 12:51
After the vote there was a surge in Brits googling 'What is the EU'

That is something to be ashamed of. There are so many chumps in the UK.

that will be the remainers!

SueEllen
27th June 2016, 12:55
that will be the remainers!

No it's the Brexiters who voted leave as they thought it would stop all immigrants being here including those that are "brown".

westtester
27th June 2016, 14:23
No it's the Brexiters who voted leave as they thought it would stop all immigrants being here including those that are "brown".

I'd be happy if we could deport David Dickinson.

MrMarkyMark
27th June 2016, 14:28
I'd be happy if we could deport David Dickinson.

By those rules, this man would have to go........looks like a bit like trimmer FLC.

https://complaintsdepartmentblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/5878bcd6-8fc9-4fc6-a50d-3281a9e016c4-620x372.jpeg

AtW
27th June 2016, 14:38
He had to say that to stop everyone voting leave.

:laugh

Indeed...

Support Monkey
27th June 2016, 14:42
You missed 'There'll be more migrants than ever' as France seeks to move the British border in Calais back to Britain.

If the French adhered to the EU rules and returned the Migrants to the country they entered from there wouldn't be a problem at Calais

AtW
27th June 2016, 14:44
If the French adhered to the EU rules and returned the Migrants to the country they entered from there wouldn't be a problem at Calais

Yup, but now that UK will be out of EU then it would not have a voice about this matter... MarillionFan will be selling inflatable boats at Calais shortly: buy one boat and get a free sledge for winter in UK...

SueEllen
27th June 2016, 14:50
If the French adhered to the EU rules and returned the Migrants to the country they entered from there wouldn't be a problem at Calais

You can't return people to Italy, Spain etc it's against EU rules.

Also they got in trouble when they "helped" the Roma go back to Romania on coaches.

darmstadt
28th June 2016, 06:21
Q: How many Brexiters does it take to change a lightbulb?


A: We never said there was a lightbulb



(Alternative answers:

That's for the future prime minister to decide. But what's important is that, whatever the number, it will be a British lightbulb, with the number decided by British people, with British interests at heart. It's a great day for Britain, and a great day for lightbulbs.... As finally we have taken our lighting back

---

17,410,742 some only wanted to protest about the make of the bulb, others wanted to dictate when and who should change the bulb, a few didn't understand what a bulb was but were told it needed changing, and some just hated all bulbs and wanted them gone.

The result is they have smashed the bulb and have no idea what to do now.)