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Isn't it time to acknowledge the referendum has been a complete catastrophe?

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    Isn't it time to acknowledge the referendum has been a complete catastrophe?

    A complete disaster for the country, not to mention our partners and neighbours, as shown by the chaos in the markets and the plunging pound?
    But forget the markets, in the medium term, who in their right mind is going to invest in the UK now with all this uncertainty that will last 2 years at a minimum?

    Furthermore it has now become clear that the leaders of the Leave campaign are complete charlatans who have ridden a populist tiger and have no idea what to do next. They didn't expect to win just to curry some popularity with the great unwashed by pretending to be anti-establishment ( of course you can't get much more establishment than Boris). Their shocked faces on Friday said it all. None of them wants to be remembered as the person who fired the exit gun, because they know they will go down in history as the ones who dismantled Great Britain.

    There is no positive outcome from this, even in the long run: it leaves the country diminished in every way: politically, economically, in size and influence. Scotland is now certain to leave. The rump state of England and Wales is viable enough but certainly not a world player - it'll almost certainly have to cede its seat on the UN Permanant Security Council group of 5 top dog nations. US presidents will have Germany top of their list of partners in Europe.

    But at least the immigration issue will be solved - no one will want to come to an unfriendly, damp, island with a mediocre economy. That should please the people in the North England but its not going to get them jobs or improve their lives. Because there's not going to be some magical renaissance in manufacturing - look at the steel industry, no British companies are interested in that kind of metal bashing anymore. So the problem will remain - what do we do all the people who aren't intelligent enough for the knowledge industries - the ones who voted Brexit? Who are they going to blame when 5 years down the line nothing has changed?
    Last edited by CretinWatcher; 27 June 2016, 12:58.

    #2
    Nice second post.

    Who are you then?

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      #3
      Originally posted by FatLazyContractor View Post
      Nice second post.

      Who are you then?
      31002 post, i'd bet

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        #4
        No, it's been a great success.

        The fact that it's going to be hard work for a while doesn't mean it isn't worth it.

        We are less than 4 days into the new world. Already countries like Germany and China are talking about how trade will be undertaken. It positive.

        If you can't be arsed then you won't influence anything.

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          #5
          Originally posted by FatLazyContractor View Post
          Nice second post.

          Who are you then?
          Who do you think?

          sasguru of course!
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            #6
            Originally posted by CretinWatcher View Post
            A complete disaster for the country, not to mention our partners and neighbours, as shown by the chaos in the markets and the plunging pound?
            But forget the markets, in the medium term, who in their right mind is going to invest in the UK now with all this uncertainty that will last 2 years at a minimum?

            Furthermore it has now become clear that the leaders of the Leave campaign are complete charlatans who have ridden a populist tiger and have no idea what to do next. They didn't expect to win just to curry some popularity with the great unwashed by pretending to be anti-establishment ( of course you can't get much more establishment than Boris). Their shocked faces on Friday said it all. None of them wants to be remembered as the person who fired the exit gun, because they know they will go down in history as the ones who dismantled Great Britain.

            There is no positive outcome from this, even in the long run: it leaves the country diminished in every way: politically, economically, in size and influence. Scotland is now certain to leave. The rump state of England and Wales is viable enough but certainly not a world player - it'll almost certainly have to cede its seat on the UN Permanant Security Council group of 5 top dog nations. US presidents will have Germany top of their list of partners in Europe.

            But at least the immigration issue will be solved - no one will want to come to an unfriendly, damp, island with a mediocre economy. That should please the people in the North England but its not going to get them jobs or improve their lives. Because there's not going to be some magical renaissance in manufacturing - look at the steel industry, no British companies are interested in that kind of metal bashing anymore. So the problem will remain - what do we do all the people who aren't intelligent enough for the knowledge industries - the ones who voted Brexit? Who are they going to blame when 5 years down the line nothing has changed?
            Bravo. Good post. Looks like Cameron & George were right after all.

            Oh well, tulip happens. I'll vote the other way in 40 years.
            What happens in General, stays in General.
            You know what they say about assumptions!

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              #7
              Originally posted by GB9 View Post
              No, it's been a great success.

              The fact that it's going to be hard work for a while doesn't mean it isn't worth it.

              We are less than 4 days into the new world. Already countries like Germany and China are talking about how trade will be undertaken. It positive.

              If you can't be arsed then you won't influence anything.
              You haven't addressed any of my issues, just made some bland assertions.

              On balance do you think FDI will increase or decrease over the next 5 years and what effect will that have on the economy?
              Is Britian a more attractive or less attractive place to do business now that it seems to be politically unstable for the first time in modern history?
              Will the Queen have to show her passport at the border when she goes to Balmoral?
              What will happen in Northern Ireland - i don't think the outcome's going to be good?

              And why did Boris and Gove look so stunned and unhappy on Friday?

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                #8
                Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post
                I'll vote the other way in 40 years.
                Good point - looks like when the older generation dies out, the younger one will be posting their re-application to join to Brussels.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by CretinWatcher View Post
                  You haven't addressed any of my issues, just made some bland assertions.

                  On balance do you think FDI will increase or decrease over the next 5 years and what effect will that have on the economy?
                  Is Britian a more attractive or less attractive place to do business now that it seems to be politically unstable for the first time in modern history?
                  Will the Queen have to show her passport at the border when she goes to Balmoral?
                  What will happen in Northern Ireland - i don't think the outcome's going to be good?

                  And why did Boris and Gove look so stunned and unhappy on Friday?
                  The days after the 2010 general election were far more unstable than this, and this is nothing compared to the 70s.

                  I personally think too much is being made, the government have a mandate to renegotiate, someone will be leading that in a couple of months, most probably Boris.

                  And I am 100% sure Scotland will not be going anywhere.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by minestrone View Post

                    And I am 100% sure Scotland will not be going anywhere.
                    Oh it will, eventually. No doubt about it.

                    While polls are notoriously inaccurate, 59% as in this one (other polls show similar) are outside of the margin of error.

                    Polls Show Scotland Strongly Backs Secession From UK Over Brexit -- News from Antiwar.com

                    And the appetite for another referendum will grow when Scotland feels the backlash from the economic pain that is surely coming.
                    Last edited by CretinWatcher; 27 June 2016, 13:24.

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