You Can't Always Get What You Want...

[darmstadt]

Reasonable article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...d=ss_fb-bottom

Highlights are:

If (as is likely) Britain leaves, it will then have to approach the E.U. as a non-member seeking an association agreement to regain access to E.U. markets. It is not going to be in a position to demand a good deal.
First of all, it will face the E.U.’s unanimity requirements. All the E.U. member states will have to agree to any deal before it goes forward. This means that just one member state can block the agreement. Before the referendum, Britain could count on the help of other governments that were sympathetic to it. Now, any deal will effectively be shaped by the single government most unsympathetic to Britain’s case, and most eager to punish it, since all other member states will need that state’s assent. If one or several remaining member states want to make the establishment of an association agreement very costly for Britain, the British will find themselves in a very weak bargaining position.

That bloody veto again.

[MarillionFan]

Reasonable article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...d=ss_fb-bottom

Highlights are:



That bloody veto again.

Mark my words. We will not invoke Article 50.

I expect chaos for the next year, and then a second referendum. This next year is going to be carnage.

[scooterscot]

Mark my words. We will not invoke Article 50.

My bet is it'll be interpreted as invoked come one slip of the tongue.

Even though, the public voted to exit the EU. The government has said as much. Are you saying the government now or to come will not carry out the instructions of the people?

[meridian]

The Polish diplomat on the telly over the weekend made it clear that Poland would protect the interests of it's people in the UK, over any preferential deal for the UK.

Presumably, other nations will also be seeking concessions before agreeing to anything with the U.K.

[scooterscot]

Article 7 of the Lisbon treaty allows the EU to suspend a member if it deems it to be in breach of basic principles of freedom, democracy, equality and rule of law.

Who knows... if the UK pisses off the EU with inaction they may well just go ahead with the nuclear option. Not activating Article 50 is a clear violation of democracy of the UK people.

[CretinWatcher]

Mark my words. We will not invoke Article 50.

I expect chaos for the next year, and then a second referendum. This next year is going to be carnage.

In that case UKIP will become a power in the next elections. Making investment in the UK even more problematic for foreign firms.
It's not looking good, I can see the amount of cretins now has reached a critical mass majority.
At this point historically, a country spirals downwards.

[vetran]

Article 7 of the Lisbon treaty allows the EU to suspend a member if it deems it to be in breach of basic principles of freedom, democracy, equality and rule of law.

Who knows... if the UK pisses off the EU with inaction they may well just go ahead with the nuclear option. Not activating Article 50 is a clear violation of democracy of the UK people.

Is there a time limit for invoking Article 50? Or is that like most of EU law open to interpretation?

[original PM]

The use of the word punish in the article seems to imply the EU are the masters and we are the servants to be punished for doing something wrong.

And it appears that wrong was to listen to the voice of the people in a democratic vote.

[CretinWatcher]

The use of the word punish in the article seems to imply the EU are the masters and we are the servants to be punished for doing something wrong.

And it appears that wrong was to listen to the voice of the people in a democratic vote.

We don't need to talk to the EU at all. We could just walk away tomorrow. Shall we do it, do you think?
I'm beginning to understand something fundamental. You thickos outnumber us immensely.

[Old Greg]

We don't need to talk to the EU at all. We could just walk away tomorrow. Shall we do it, do you think?
I'm beginning to understand something fundamental. You thickos outnumber us immensely.

That is correct. Article 50 is an EU mechanism to initiate a 2 year negotiation period. It's not a requirement from a UK perspective.