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shaunbhoy
7th September 2016, 12:19
Jeremy Corbyn slams 'sexist' after-work drinking culture for being 'unfair on mothers' | London Evening Standard (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-slams-sexist-afterwork-pub-culture-for-being-unfair-on-mothers-a3335001.html)

Or is everyone too scared to raise topics like this on here anymore?

Can Jezza get any more ridiculous?

MarillionFan
7th September 2016, 12:23
Jeremy Corbyn slams 'sexist' after-work drinking culture for being 'unfair on mothers' | London Evening Standard (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-slams-sexist-afterwork-pub-culture-for-being-unfair-on-mothers-a3335001.html)

Or is everyone too scared to raise topics like this on here anymore?

Can Jezza get any more ridiculous?


Didn't see it, was at the pub

mudskipper
7th September 2016, 12:24
He has a point.

It also excludes those for whom alcohol is a no-no.

AtW
7th September 2016, 12:26
19,205

:wave:

BrilloPad
7th September 2016, 12:27
He has a point.

It also excludes those for whom alcohol is a no-no.

I am excluded as I am an unsocialable git who does not drink.

And I don't think it is unfair at all.

JC should concentrate on the real reason people voted for Brexit. Inequality. Get tough on immigration (it only benefits the rich).

He could get 75% of the vote.

shaunbhoy
7th September 2016, 12:28
He has a point.



On that score yes he does. It is discriminatory to a degree, but that discrimination is not confined to gender. That was MY point.
Indeed it might be termed slightly sexist of him to contend that it is only women that leave the workplace to attend to the offspring.

AtW
7th September 2016, 12:30
Korbyn should STFU and just use his image in campaign - free bubbly for all mums whose husbands drinking beer in pubs before, during or after work

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/3/36/CFpresident_snow.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130110002008

MarillionFan
7th September 2016, 12:32
Korbyn should STFU and just use his image in campaign - free bubbly for all mums whose husbands drinking beer in pubs before, during or after work

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/thehungergames/images/3/36/CFpresident_snow.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130110002008




Where does he stand on snorting coke & ******* Polish rent boys when the wife it at home?

mudskipper
7th September 2016, 12:33
On that score yes he does. It is discriminatory to a degree, but that discrimination is not confined to gender. That was MY point.
Indeed it might be termed slightly sexist of him to contend that it is only women that leave the workplace to attend to the offspring.

In a world where all things are equal, it might not be confined to gender - aside from the fact that many women continue evening breastfeeding after returning to work. However, IME, when there are 'pub' dos after work, it is much more likely that the women are unable to attend because of family commitments than the men.

It shouldn't impact (non lactating) women more than men, but it does.

VectraMan
7th September 2016, 12:39
As a contractor I often felt left out of after work drinks because I had a 90 mile drive home.:tantrum:

Isn't it about time Jezza spoke up for us?

shaunbhoy
7th September 2016, 12:42
However, IME, when there are 'pub' dos after work, it is much more likely that the women are unable to attend because of family commitments than the men.



By the same token, the number of women that would be unable to attend a whole host of afterwork activities might be higher than it is for men. Are all those activities to be done away with also on grounds of being sexist and discriminatory?
Following that logic to it's inevitable conclusion, the number of mothers that utilise the recommended paternity leave is likely to be higher than it is for fathers. Ought we to be looking more closely at that or is this just Corbyn desperately trying to curry favour with another voting demographic?

tomtomagain
7th September 2016, 12:45
It is very unfair on the following groups:


Drivers
People who do not drink for religious reasons
People who have a long commute ( they have to leave early )
People who have to get up early the next day
People who are having a "Dry" month ( owwwe the temptation )
People who cannot take their beer and make a right tit of themselves



Labour must propose to introduce laws regulating socialising in their next manifesto. That'll get them back to No. 10.

NotAllThere
7th September 2016, 12:56
The Labour leader said "early evening socialisation" excluded mothers who wanted to get home to their families and urged companies not to encourage it among staff.Sexist pig. I often skipped after work drinks because I wanted to get home to my family. Certainly I prefer my family to the people I'm forced to work with...


He has a point.

It also excludes those for whom alcohol is a no-no.Not really. I've spent many an evening out drinking only soft drinks. It's especially fun the next day when I remember every embarrassing thing everyone else said or did.

MaryPoppins
7th September 2016, 14:03
I for one am glad to be able to use the excuse of a child in order to avoid 'drinks' with the twats I have to work with.

mudskipper
7th September 2016, 14:13
Not really. I've spent many an evening out drinking only soft drinks. It's especially fun the next day when I remember every embarrassing thing everyone else said or did.

Choosing not to drink, or even not drinking for medical reasons, is different to avoiding any contact with alcohol for religious reasons.

NotAllThere
7th September 2016, 14:31
Choosing not to drink, or even not drinking for medical reasons, is different to avoiding any contact with alcohol for religious reasons.And how many does that effect? In 25 years, I remember two people who wouldn't come for a drink. One a JW the other a devout Muslim. The latter used to bring in Samosa's when it was someone's birthday and a pub outing was likely. The former was a miserable git and didn't celebrate birthdays. Handy for Christmas cover though.

Mordac
7th September 2016, 15:24
Where does he stand on snorting coke & ******* Polish rent boys when the wife it at home?

He's fine with it, but only if he can claim on expenses...

Old Greg
7th September 2016, 15:26
And how many does that effect? In 25 years, I remember two people who wouldn't come for a drink. One a JW the other a devout Muslim. The latter used to bring in Samosa's when it was someone's birthday and a pub outing was likely. The former was a miserable git and didn't celebrate birthdays. Handy for Christmas cover though.

JWs drink alcohol. If it was Christmas related, they might not participate.

Mordac
7th September 2016, 15:29
I for one am glad to be able to use the excuse of a child in order to avoid 'drinks' with the twats I have to work with.

Good point - I once attended a "leaving drinks" session with MF present, and he even managed to make the twats seem presentable. Could have been an off-night, I suppose...

Old Greg
7th September 2016, 15:33
Good point - I once attended a "leaving drinks" session with MF present, and he even managed to make the twats seem presentable. Could have been an off-night, I suppose...

But was he able to pull a decent pint?

shaunbhoy
7th September 2016, 15:46
I for one am glad to be able to use the excuse of a child in order to avoid 'drinks' with the twats I have to work with.

So I'm guessing Jezza has lost your vote now then MP? :tongue

vetran
7th September 2016, 16:57
Choosing not to drink, or even not drinking for medical reasons, is different to avoiding any contact with alcohol for religious reasons.

why?

is it more or less valid if you do it to please the sky fairy?



As usual the twonk was trying make a point & screwed it up

mudskipper
7th September 2016, 17:00
why?

is it more or less valid if you do it to please the sky fairy?


In terms of discrimination, yes.

vetran
7th September 2016, 17:21
In terms of discrimination, yes.

not drinking for medical reasons trumps religion which is a choice IMO.

but of course some scholars suggest its not religious for some religions. As are many of the other nasties.

Alcohol in the Qur'an | www.free-minds.org (http://www.free-minds.org/alcohol-quran)

SueEllen
7th September 2016, 19:36
not drinking for medical reasons trumps religion which is a choice IMO.

but of course some scholars suggest its not religious for some religions. As are many of the other nasties.


In your opinion because you don't like religion.

There are Christians who don't drink e.g. Salvation Army, Quakers, Methodists,. Seventh Day Adventists. This country has lots of things from parks to schools and most importantly chocolate because of them.

darmstadt
7th September 2016, 19:40
Can we also refer to Theresa May as Tezza now or has the standard of the English language got so bad that everyone is now Jezza, Gazza, Bazza, Tozza, Lezza, etzzetera.?

darmstadt
7th September 2016, 19:42
not drinking for medical reasons trumps religion which is a choice IMO.

but of course some scholars suggest its not religious for some religions. As are many of the other nasties.

Alcohol in the Qur'an | www.free-minds.org (http://www.free-minds.org/alcohol-quran)

Arabic wine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirazi_wine

Mordac
7th September 2016, 19:47
But was he able to pull a decent pint?

He couldn't even pull a decent minger...:eek

SueEllen
7th September 2016, 19:52
Can we also refer to Theresa May as Tezza now or has the standard of the English language got so bad that everyone is now Jezza, Gazza, Bazza, Tozza, Lezza, etzzetera.?

Nope.

She is "Mother Theresa".

Keep up with the program.

TNA57
7th September 2016, 20:08
Rather unfair to place the same weight on someone who has to leave for childcare reasons and someone who wants to leave for any other reason surely!
After work drinks are not everyday dos! If someone with childcare commitments whose departure means they can relieve someone else of their duty without paying out for extra care is unfairly treated, JC is right to raise an issue. Come to think of it they will again pay out for drinks with people who honestly don't care. How many of the other groups have to bear such costs?

Mordac
7th September 2016, 20:16
In your opinion because you don't like religion.

There are Christians who don't drink e.g. Salvation Army, Quakers, Methodists,. Seventh Day Adventists. This country has lots of things from parks to schools and most importantly chocolate because of them.

You're forgetting Mormons. Or was it Moomins? Anyway. Centuries ago, in a previous life, I once worked briefly in hospitality, specifically a box at Royal Ascot, which was to be used by some prominent owners and their guests. The booze list was surprisingly extensive (given that they were all supposed to be of a certain non-drinking religion) and duly supplied without question. I assumed my work was done, and went off to enjoy the racing, but was frequently called back to re-stock with hideously expensive (several hundred quid a bottle) champagne, by the crate load. Thankfully they never made it to the brandy and cigars, as I carefully and discreetly liberated a small (ish) quantity of both. Happy days... (and if you're good, I'll tell you about the Aussie lass working a couple of boxes along, with whom I shared a nice bottle of Krug, and a little more besides...) :p

SueEllen
7th September 2016, 20:49
Rather unfair to place the same weight on someone who has to leave for childcare reasons and someone who wants to leave for any other reason surely!
After work drinks are not everyday dos! If someone with childcare commitments whose departure means they can relieve someone else of their duty without paying out for extra care is unfairly treated, JC is right to raise an issue. Come to think of it they will again pay out for drinks with people who honestly don't care. How many of the other groups have to bear such costs?

You have a very limited experience if you think it's only those with children who can't go to after work drinks. There are people who work and when they aren't working care for disabled or sick elderly adults.

shaunbhoy
7th September 2016, 20:51
Can we also refer to Theresa May as Tezza now or has the standard of the English language got so bad that everyone is now Jezza, Gazza, Bazza, Tozza, Lezza, etzzetera.?

Oh put a fooking sock in it Knobbah!! :winker:

TNA57
7th September 2016, 20:57
You have a very limited experience if you think it's only those with children who can't go to after work drinks. There are people who work and when they aren't working care for disabled or sick elderly adults.

I agree I didn't make my argument from the perspective of people who are also carers. I however didn't intentionally infer that only those with children are affected. It was more of "they are being dealt a heavier blow" than those who choose not to attend out of freewill. Carers fall within a similar category to parents/mothers who are essentially caring for their family albeit disabled, sick, elderly or not.

Mordac
7th September 2016, 21:07
You have a very limited experience if you think it's only those with children who can't go to after work drinks. There are people who work and when they aren't working care for disabled or sick elderly adults.

Mrs MF being a prime example. :smokin

vetran
7th September 2016, 21:53
You have a very limited experience if you think it's only those with children who can't go to after work drinks. There are people who work and when they aren't working care for disabled or sick elderly adults.

Indeed, I have respect for those who have other commitments.

I have worked with non drinkers both because of religious reasons & non religious ones. They turned up at after work drinks happily. (apparently). I have also respected parents & carers that have had other commitments (just as I have).

original PM
8th September 2016, 07:07
It's a load of made up socialist bullshoot.

Old Greg
8th September 2016, 08:16
So, all in all, well done Jezza for prompting a debate about the topic.

SueEllen
8th September 2016, 09:17
It's a load of made up socialist bullshoot.

The funny thing about him bringing it up was after the event they had evening after the event drinks....

shaunbhoy
8th September 2016, 14:28
So, all in all, well done Jezza for prompting a debate about the topic.

A mass debate.

:wink

darmstadt
8th September 2016, 14:38
A mass debate.

:wink

And you're the expert on that, Jizza...

shaunbhoy
8th September 2016, 15:03
And you're the expert on that, Jizza...

Yet that particular post was the one that drew YOU in. Go figure...... :laugh :laugh :laugh

fullyautomatix
8th September 2016, 15:04
Well done Jez!! :banana: :banana:

He is the only politician I know who isnt hung up about political correctness and is straight talking. Someone has to fight discrimination in this society and I am happy that he is doing that.

tomtomagain
8th September 2016, 16:12
Well done Jez!! :banana: :banana:

He is the only politician I know who isnt hung up about political correctness and is straight talking. Someone has to fight discrimination in this society and I am happy that he is doing that.

Well actually he isn't fighting it. He is just moaning about people going to the pub.

He's not made any suggestions as to what should or could be done. Because at the end of the day you cannot stop people going to the pub after work.

Instead of worrying about being more PC than the Greens he should be focusing on why Labour where annihilated in Scotland and why they are getting battered in their Northern strongholds in England.

Problem is : He doesn't want to listen to the reasons.

SueEllen
8th September 2016, 16:22
Well done Jez!! :banana: :banana:

He is the only politician I know who isnt hung up about political correctness and is straight talking. Someone has to fight discrimination in this society and I am happy that he is doing that.

He's actually a case of "Do what I say rather than what I do". He had a networking event after that speech in the evening with drinks.

LondonManc
8th September 2016, 17:17
It is very unfair on the following groups:


Drivers
People who do not drink for religious reasons
People who have a long commute ( they have to leave early )
People who have to get up early the next day
People who are having a "Dry" month ( owwwe the temptation )
People who cannot take their beer and make a right tit of themselves



Labour must propose to introduce laws regulating socialising in their next manifesto. That'll get them back to 1910.

FTFY