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scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:12
An unexpected turn of events. England now have to lay out a bed of roses to keep Scotland. Perhaps increase the Scottish subsidy by £100 million per week. :D



FORMER Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt has been appointed to co-ordinate the European Parliament's response to the UK's bombshell departure.

Guy Verhofstadt
AN independent Scotland’s chances of automatic EU entry got a massive boost yesterday as a big supporter of the move was made a chief Brexit negotiator.

Former Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt, 63, will co-ordinate the European Parliament’s response to the UK’s vote to leave.

He has previously said an independent Scotland should be let into the EU straight away.

Verhofstadt added: “If Scotland decides to leave the UK, to be an independent state, and they decide to be part of the EU, I think there is no big obstacle to do that.”

He said it would be “suicide” for the EU to refuse entry to people who are “sympathetic” to the EU’s aims.

Verhofstadt was also supportive of Scotland’s vote to remain in the EU following June’s referendum.

“It’s wrong that Scotland might be taken out of EU, when it voted to stay. Happy to discuss with Nicola Sturgeon,” he tweeted on June 24 after the result.


Guy Verhofstadt with Nicola Sturgeon
He later met the First Minister in Brussels.

Verhofstadt, leader of the Liberal group in the parliament, has also been critical of British politicians who backed Brexit.

In June, he tweeted that “Boris Johnson is ready to sacrifice the voice of 17m Britons to become PM of UK, or rather PM of England and Wales.”

SNP MEP Alyn Smith last night said Verhofstadt’s appointment meant “all the doors we need are open”, adding: “It’s good news – we can do business.

“He is a long-standing respected MEP. Having negotiated Belgian politics, he’ll be able to corral 27 national interests and be pragmatic about solutions. He’s also proven he’s alive to the Scottish question.

“Guy has been a friend to Scotland in the aftermath of the EU referendum, stating publicly that it was wrong for Scotland to be taken out of the EU when we voted to stay, and making sure our First Minister knew he was happy to meet with her to discuss this further.

“He’s a clever chap, very astute, and a hard worker capable of seeing the big picture.”

Professor Michael Keating of Aberdeen University also said it was good news for Scottish nationalists but warned there would still be “hostility” from other forces within the EU.

He told the Record: “Within Brussels and around the European Parliament there are different attitudes towards Scotland.


Verhofstadt with George W Bush while Belgian Prime Minister
“Some, such as the Spanish Government for example, take a very hostile position, some are more sympathetic and some just don’t really understand the complexities of the situation in Scotland.

“Verhofstadt is certainly somebody who takes an interest in Scotland and is more sympathetic, but that does not change the rules of the game.”

Verhofstadt said it was an “honour” to take the role “which will play a central role in an Article 50 deal and any future EU-UK agreements”.

The European Parliament will be one of several institutions involved in the Brexit negotiating process.

A parliament spokeswoman said: “Any agreement would have to be approved by both the European Parliament and the Council.”

The appointment comes after the appointment of Michel Barnier, the former French foreign minister, as the chief negotiator on behalf of the European Commission.

Last night Sturgeon repeated her determination to keep independence an option during the Brexit negotiations.

She told a dinner of independence supporters: “The old arguments about the UK providing stability and security for Scotland are now utterly redundant.

“The uncertainty and the threat to jobs and investment are happening right now under the union.

“Westminster are the architects of uncertainty. And that is why it is absolutely right that we keep the option of independence on the table if it becomes clear that our place in Europe – with all that it entails for jobs, investment and prosperity – simply cannot be protected within the UK.”

source: EU's chief Brexit negotiator agrees with Nicola Sturgeon that independent Scotland would gain automatic entry (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/eus-chief-brexit-negotiator-agrees-8796253)

DodgyAgent
9th September 2016, 10:16
An unexpected turn of events. England now have to lay out a bed of roses to keep Scotland. Perhaps increase the Scottish subsidy by £100 million per week. :D




source: EU's chief Brexit negotiator agrees with Nicola Sturgeon that independent Scotland would gain automatic entry (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/eus-chief-brexit-negotiator-agrees-8796253)

Brilliant and you can take your debt with you :laugh

vetran
9th September 2016, 10:18
Brilliant and you can take your debt with you :laugh

we however own the oil as we paid to drill for it.


Don't be surprised if the Jungle relocates!

Donald is going to build a wall for us !

I love the smell of desperation in the morning!

GB9
9th September 2016, 10:37
All in favour of them going if they want to but wonder what Spain would think of this. I see a veto coming on.

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:39
Brilliant and you can take your debt with you :laugh

Don't be so sure. :D

Think tank report claims independent Scotland could save billions in assets
(https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/9226/think-tank-report-claims-independent-scotland-could-save-billions-pounds-assets)

“The reality of the situation is that Scotland has far more nuanced options available to it including only taking on a level of debt equal in value to the assets which Scotland actually requires to begin life as an independent country.” Dr Craig Dalzell

The Spartan
9th September 2016, 10:39
:laugh He's just one of many cooks, remind me how her meeting with Donald Tusk went :grin

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:40
All in favour of them going if they want to but wonder what Spain would think of this. I see a veto coming on.

The situation after Brexit is not the same. Spain will see that. Different set of circumstances altogether even you must recognise that. You can't force a country out of the EU against it's will, simply outrageous.

The Spartan
9th September 2016, 10:40
Don't be so sure. :D

Think tank report claims independent Scotland could save billions in assets
(https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/9226/think-tank-report-claims-independent-scotland-could-save-billions-pounds-assets)

How's that £15bn deficit looking?

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:42
How's that £15bn deficit looking?

Not as bad as the UK wide £65 billion deficit. :emb

eek
9th September 2016, 10:43
Brilliant and you can take your debt with you :laugh

Given that Scotland runs a budget deficit of approximately 9-15% of GDP at the moment I think letting them go without any of the debt would be equally entertaining....

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:46
Given that Scotland runs a budget deficit of approximately 9-15% of GDP at the moment I think letting them go without any of the debt would be equally entertaining....

That would be awesome. Blotted Scottish public services would return south overnight (the majority of which operate to service the UK). Private sector growth grows. All win.

vetran
9th September 2016, 10:51
That would be awesome. Blotted Scottish public services would return south overnight (the majority of which operate to service the UK). Private sector growth grows. All win.

oh a brexiteer!

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:53
oh a brexiteer!

You take that. :tantrum:

DodgyAgent
9th September 2016, 10:57
Don't be so sure. :D

Think tank report claims independent Scotland could save billions in assets
(https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/9226/think-tank-report-claims-independent-scotland-could-save-billions-pounds-assets)


A LEFTWING Scottish think tank :laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

The Spartan
9th September 2016, 11:03
Not as bad as the UK wide £65 billion deficit. :emb

Which equates to around 4% UK GDP, whereas if you just look at Scotland it's 9.5% GDP and then compare that to Greece where their's 7.2% GDP. It still doesn't look any rosier for Scotland :grin

shaunbhoy
9th September 2016, 11:06
Which equates to around 4% UK GDP, whereas if you just look at Scotland it's 9.5% GDP and then compare that to Greece where their's 7.2% GDP. It still doesn't look any rosier for Scotland :grin

All immaterial anyway as there are too many Scots that will once again vote to stay as a part of the UK.

No boost in support for Scottish independence despite Brexit, new poll finds (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/no-boost-in-support-for-scottish-independence-despite-brexit-new/)


Back to the drawing board for wee Jimmy Krankie and her shortbread-tin socialists. :laugh :laugh

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 11:06
A LEFTWING Scottish think tank :laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

It gets better:

[Dr. Craig] Dalzell then discusses what he calls a “new entry into the financial field and one which has yet to be fully tested at a national scale, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.”

Scottish ‘Brexit Research Paper’ Looks to Bitcoin - Jamie Redman -
July 29, 2016 (https://news.bitcoin.com/scottish-brexit-paper-looks-bitcoin/)

vetran
9th September 2016, 11:09
All immaterial anyway as there are too many Scots that have some brains and vote to stay as a part of the UK.


FTFY

DodgyAgent
9th September 2016, 11:13
It gets better:

[Dr. Craig] Dalzell then discusses what he calls a “new entry into the financial field and one which has yet to be fully tested at a national scale, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.”

Scottish ‘Brexit Research Paper’ Looks to Bitcoin - Jamie Redman -
July 29, 2016 (https://news.bitcoin.com/scottish-brexit-paper-looks-bitcoin/)

They must have one of these https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwib39O5k4LPAhVEfhoKHUHqBsIQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.colourbox.com%2Fvector%2Fmon ey-tree-vector-3503841&bvm=bv.131783435,d.ZGg&psig=AFQjCNEw4-rvOsm1zYHa5Yh4L008fWGAbQ&ust=1473505918860818

:laugh:laugh

MrMarkyMark
9th September 2016, 11:13
Why not?


The EU may as well take another country with a high ratio of debt vs. GDP

:suicide:

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 11:20
Which equates to around 4% UK GDP, whereas if you just look at Scotland it's 9.5% GDP and then compare that to Greece where their's 7.2% GDP. It still doesn't look any rosier for Scotland :grin

As previously explained that's because much of England houses it's public services in Scotland. The balance of the books is skewed to make the south look not so bad. :mad

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 11:33
As previously explained that's because much of England houses it's public services in Scotland. The balance of the books is skewed to make the south look not so bad. :mad

So all those Scottish public sector workers that found themselves out of a job would do what?

OwlHoot
9th September 2016, 11:40
The situation after Brexit is not the same. Spain will see that. Different set of circumstances altogether even you must recognise that.

You can't force a country out of the EU against it's will, simply outrageous.

You're such an idiot. Do you really think a country like Spain cares a hoot about the sensibilities of a tiny minority of die-hard Europhile Scottish nationalists when the integrity of its own country is at stake if that precedent was set?

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 11:44
So all those Scottish public sector workers that found themselves out of a job would do what?

Move to England? What makes you think they are Scottish?

Mordac
9th September 2016, 11:47
The situation after Brexit is not the same. Spain will see that. Different set of circumstances altogether even you must recognise that. You can't force a country out of the EU against it's will, simply outrageous.

In case you hadn't noticed, Scotland isn't a country. It is a part of the UK. The UK voted "Out". Now, back in yer box, you Tartan Kraut, you...:smokin

SimonMac
9th September 2016, 11:55
Will never happen because Spain will veto it to dissuade Catalonia & Basque etc from getting ideas they can get independance

SimonMac
9th September 2016, 11:56
The situation after Brexit is not the same. Spain will see that. Different set of circumstances altogether even you must recognise that. You can't force a country out of the EU against it's will, simply outrageous.

Scotland is not a country, hence why it is trying to get independence from the UK

vetran
9th September 2016, 12:02
Move to England? What makes you think they are Scottish?

I suppose you are right they do actually have a job

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 12:55
Scotland is not a country, hence why it is trying to get independence from the UK

Scotland has and is a country long before the UK was. Of course it is a country. What utter nonsense.


Scotland, the U.K.’s northernmost country, is a land of mountain wildernesses such as the Cairngorms and Northwest Highlands, interspersed with glacial glens (valleys) and lochs (lakes). Its major cities are Edinburgh, the capital, with its iconic hilltop castle, and Glasgow, famed for its vibrant cultural scene. Scotland is also famous for golf, the game first played at the Old Course at St Andrews in the 1400s.

DodgyAgent
9th September 2016, 13:08
Scotland has and is a country long before the UK was. Of course it is a country. What utter nonsense.

It is a carbuncle on the edge of a great nation

LondonManc
9th September 2016, 13:38
Cut it free, relocate the onshored jobs down to the M62 corridor and build a proper border control. The only difference we'd notice is that we have a non-league football team called Berwick Rangers.

vetran
9th September 2016, 13:40
The only difference we'd notice is that then we would have lots of expat scots complaining how England abandoned them and stole all their treasures.

FTFY

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 13:49
FTFY

not just stole our treasures but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 13:51
not just stole our treasures but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad

Comical. What happens if you got an Indy Scotland and then the Scottish Conservatives were elected? You do realise that you wouldn't be able to just stick with the SNP?

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 13:55
Comical. What happens if you got an Indy Scotland and then the Scottish Conservatives were elected? You do realise that you wouldn't be able to just stick with the SNP?

The SNP are more conservative than the conservatives would like. Din't you know?

Land reform be one example.
Increase stamp duty taxes.

They're doing the Tories out of a job.

GB9
9th September 2016, 13:58
The situation after Brexit is not the same. Spain will see that. Different set of circumstances altogether even you must recognise that. You can't force a country out of the EU against it's will, simply outrageous.

There seem to be differing views (strangely enough).

It's not me you have to convince though. If that's what Scotland voted for then that's what they should have. Some of us still believe in following the will of the majority.

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 14:06
The SNP are more conservative than the conservatives would like. Din't you know?

Land reform be one example.
Increase stamp duty taxes.

They're doing the Tories out of a job.

Wasn't what I asked. The Conservatives are party of low taxes (in theory).

chopper
9th September 2016, 14:06
Does Sturgeon still think Scotland would use the GBP after Scottish independence with Scotland in the EU? Or is she happy with adopting the Euro?

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 14:07
Does Sturgeon still think Scotland would use the GBP after Scottish independence with Scotland in the EU? Or is she happy with adopting the Euro?

It's Bitcoin - see earlier in this thread.

GB9
9th September 2016, 14:29
not just stole our treasures but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad

What amuses me is how similar some of your arguments are to mine on leaving the EU.

At least you got some sort of vote on who the government would be.

DodgyAgent
9th September 2016, 14:32
not just stole our treasures but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad

:cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::c ry3:

LondonManc
9th September 2016, 14:38
The SNP are more conservative than the conservatives would like. Din't you know?

Land reform be one example.
Increase stamp duty taxes.

They're doing the Tories out of a job.

She's Tony Blair's secret love child? :eek:

vetran
9th September 2016, 14:39
not just stole our treasures but you took us in when we were broke fed us and taught our women how a lady should be treated :mad

FTFY

SimonMac
9th September 2016, 14:45
Scotland has and is a country long before the UK was. Of course it is a country. What utter nonsense.

I thought you would have at least used blue

Ok, I may have goaded you a little there, yes it is a country and a fine tradition, but its not a sovereign state which the EU deems a requirement to entry, it cannot be forced out of something it is not a member of. If during the next indy ref, Scotland as a whole over for Independence, but Edinburgh votes to stay, do you think they could stay in the UK as the rest leaves? Which is in effect what you are asking in respect to the UK and leaving the EU

SimonMac
9th September 2016, 14:54
not just stole our treasures

You still have the Krankies


but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad

If the SNP stood in more than just scotland you might have a better chance of getting the government you elected, as it stands the UK, which Scotland is a part of, got the government it voted for.

You may see you yourselves as Scottish, but that is like me saying I am from Yorkshire, doesn't mean a squat at national politics level where you are British

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 15:00
You may see you yourselves as Scottish, but that is like me saying I am from Yorkshire, doesn't mean a squat at national politics level where you are British

Scotland is back to being a region now rather than a country. D:eek:

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 15:05
Scotland is back to being a region now rather than a country. D:eek:

Vote freedom (from Germany)!

SimonMac
9th September 2016, 15:18
Scotland is back to being a region now rather than a country. D:eek:

You are ahead of Cornish, but only just in terms of respect

TestMangler
9th September 2016, 17:46
Wasn't what I asked. The Conservatives are party of low taxes (in theory).

LOL

chopper
9th September 2016, 17:55
but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad
Did you research that, or are you just reciting SNP propaganda?

So, Scotland gets the Government it Wants at Westminster, Two out of Three Times (http://www.aforceforgood.org.uk/debunk/vote1) from 2014...

Out of the 18 General Elections since 1945, Scotland has got the party at Westminster which won the Scottish popular vote 12 times.
9 times Scotland voted Labour, and got Labour. That is, half the time! A further 3 times Scotland voted Conservative, and got Conservative.

This compares with England which has also got what it voted for 12 times. That is 7 times England voted Conservative and got Conservative, and 5 times England voted Labour and got Labour.

3 times, England voted Conservative but Labour won. So England getting the government it did not elect, right?

shaunbhoy
9th September 2016, 17:57
Did you research that, or are you just reciting SNP propaganda?



You'll have to forgive scooter. He is not really into research. When he tried it the chips kept falling off his shoulders.

:laugh :laugh

chopper
9th September 2016, 19:21
In the European Parliament (given the Scottish love to be independent, which apparently means 'to become a colony of the EU'), they have 6 MEPs (1 Conservative, 1 UKIP, 2 Labour and 2 SNP).

6 MEPs. Out of 751...

The Labour MEPs are members of the 'ruling' coalition (The coalition is 474 MEPs, and Labour are in the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats who represent 189 MEPs in said 'ruling' coalition). The SNP, Tories or UKIP are not in any of the 'ruling' coalition parties.

So, tell me more about this 'voting for the government you get' lark? At least as part of the UK, the SNP has 8.6% of parliamentary seats, which is good since Scotland is 8.6% of the UK population also. (Compared with 0.7% of the EU population).

Flashman
9th September 2016, 20:45
Exclusive clip for Contractor UK !

Nicola Sturgeon's EU membership discussed by Spanish Commentators (Subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TbTC96ZUms

:wave:

DimPrawn
9th September 2016, 21:35
We escape the EU, we get shot of Scotland, Scotland join the Euro currency, and the EU get another failed, poverty stricken, bankrupt country to bail out and support?

Oh god yes! Please make it so.

GB9
9th September 2016, 21:54
We escape the EU, we get shot of Scotland, Scotland join the Euro currency, and the EU get another failed, poverty stricken, bankrupt country to bail out and support?

Oh god yes! Please make it so.

Strangely enough, that's what I was hoping for.

Mordac
9th September 2016, 22:55
Scotland is back to being a region now rather than a country. D:eek:

Bloody hell, you've finally got it...It only took 300 years, but we generally make allowances for slow learners. You managed to stretch that definition to breaking point though, I'll give you that much...

Mordac
9th September 2016, 22:58
It is a carbuncle on the edge of a great nation

If "carbuncle" is a posh word for "wart"...

Mordac
9th September 2016, 23:38
not just stole our treasures but inflicted us with governments we did not elect. :mad

You were probably safely ensconced in the Fatherland when we had to put up with an utterly useless Labour govt courtesy of the Scots voting for them in their droves. Something they quickly regretted, and have since decided that independence must surely be better (despite whatever pain that entails) and is enough to ditch the red socialists and throw their lot in the the yellow ones instead.
And as for stealing your "treasures", let's narrow that down a bit.
You did give us television (the Japanese nicked that, and now the South Koreans seem to have taken the lead).
Penicillin (discovered out of necessity, for obvious reasons.)
Oil. It beggars belief what you lot would have done with it, probably deep fried it and sold it as a local delicacy - it surely can't taste much worse than haggis. Thankfully the foreigners (including the English) came along and showed you how to turn it into petrol, and other revenue generating fossil fuels, so you could start paying your way in this somewhat difficult relationship.
You gave us a Wimbledon champion, who now lives in Surrey. Can't say I blame him, really.
You got the stone of Scone back, and we let you keep the midges (again, for obvious reasons).
And we'll let you keep Nicola Sturgeon (can't think why, but I'm sure it'll come to me).
All that time in Munich must have blunted your memory somewhat.

TestMangler
10th September 2016, 14:56
You were probably safely ensconced in the Fatherland when we had to put up with an utterly useless Labour govt courtesy of the Scots voting for them in their droves. .

You mean in 1964 and 1974 then ? cause that's the only times its happened.

DodgyAgent
11th September 2016, 11:22
You were probably safely ensconced in the Fatherland when we had to put up with an utterly useless Labour govt courtesy of the Scots voting for them in their droves. Something they quickly regretted, and have since decided that independence must surely be better (despite whatever pain that entails) and is enough to ditch the red socialists and throw their lot in the the yellow ones instead.
And as for stealing your "treasures", let's narrow that down a bit.
You did give us television (the Japanese nicked that, and now the South Koreans seem to have taken the lead).
Penicillin (discovered out of necessity, for obvious reasons.)
Oil. It beggars belief what you lot would have done with it, probably deep fried it and sold it as a local delicacy - it surely can't taste much worse than haggis. Thankfully the foreigners (including the English) came along and showed you how to turn it into petrol, and other revenue generating fossil fuels, so you could start paying your way in this somewhat difficult relationship.
You gave us a Wimbledon champion, who now lives in Surrey. Can't say I blame him, really.
You got the stone of Scone back, and we let you keep the midges (again, for obvious reasons).
And we'll let you keep Nicola Sturgeon (can't think why, but I'm sure it'll come to me).
All that time in Munich must have blunted your memory somewhat. :laugh

scooterscot
11th September 2016, 12:42
It's little wonder wherever the in world I travel 'Oh your from Scotland - beautiful country, love the accent'

Whereas if I'm assumed from England, it's... well it's not printable here.

Flashman
11th September 2016, 12:43
It's little wonder wherever the in world I travel 'Oh your from Scotland - beautiful country, love the accent'

Whereas if I'm assumed from England, it's... well it's not printable here.

So are they racist? Or are you?

shaunbhoy
11th September 2016, 12:44
It's little wonder wherever the in world I travel 'Oh your from Scotland - beautiful country, love the accent, has it stopped raining yet?'


ftfy

:wink