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vetran
9th September 2016, 10:48
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/08/european-union-plans-military-battlegroups-after-brexit-vote


he EU’s foreign policy chief has outlined her vision of closer European military cooperation following the UK’s vote to leave the union.

Federica Mogherini has proposed setting up a Brussels headquarters for European “battlegroups” capable of mounting military interventions in crises. A headquarters was one of four priority proposals to be presented to EU governments after the Brexit vote, she told Italian newspaper La Repubblica.

EU defence policy remains in the hands of European governments, rather than the EU executive.

While insisting she was not proposing an EU army, Mogherini said the UK’s impending departure had left other EU governments with no excuse for not moving forward on giving the EU a defence capacity. The idea has long been cherished by European federalists, but categorically resisted by London.

sorry who said that was rubbish before Brexit?

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:50
Explain why a EU army is a bad thing?

barrydidit
9th September 2016, 10:53
If it had the French in it, it would surrender.

If it had the Germans in it, it would start agitating for bits of Poland back

If it had anyone else in it it would only need a minibus for transport

That's why.

Wetti Big Deal Birnathi
9th September 2016, 10:54
Explain why a EU army is a bad thing?

UK would have to retrofit more reverse gears on the tanks.

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 10:55
You forgot to add, it'll probably not invade other countries illegally. But rather focus on defence of the realm. Remember that when 'defence' meant exactly that?

vetran
9th September 2016, 10:57
Explain why a EU army is a bad thing?

Vichy
De Gaulle
Hitler

need I go on?

barrydidit
9th September 2016, 10:58
You forgot to add, it'll probably not invade other countries illegally. But rather focus on defence of the realm. Remember that when 'defence' meant exactly that?

I thought my German stereotype had covered that. Unless you're suggesting that Poland was asking for it?

vetran
9th September 2016, 11:11
You forgot to add, it'll probably not invade other countries illegally. But rather focus on defence of the realm. Remember that when 'defence' meant exactly that?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/france-active-policy-syria-assad-isis-paris-attacks-air-strikes

yep its only us!

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 11:14
Explain why a EU army is a bad thing?

Because I wouldn't want my son put in harm’s way at the behest of another nation of which I feel absolutely no affinity for?

vetran
9th September 2016, 11:16
Because I wouldn't want my son put in harm’s way at the behest of another nation of which I feel absolutely no affinity for?

little Englander.

We must fight for the Glorious EU Reich Community.

BrilloPad
9th September 2016, 11:17
Because I wouldn't want my son put in harm’s way at the behest of another nation of which I feel absolutely no affinity for?

Do you mean Scotland? :confused:

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 11:18
Okay it's clear - everyone here is still living in 1945. :music:

When will we ever move forward. Brexit will probably turn out better for Europe in the long run.

milanbenes
9th September 2016, 11:19
Because I wouldn't want my son put in harm’s way at the behest of another nation of which I feel absolutely no affinity for?


umm, uhh, sorry,

umm, Iraq, Afghanistan

Milan.

Benny
9th September 2016, 11:21
Vichy
De Gaulle
Hitler

need I go on?
Srebrenica massacre - overseen by the wonderful Dutch army
Belgium capitulation in WW2 leaving the BEF exposed

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 11:21
umm, uhh, sorry,

umm, Iraq, Afghanistan

Milan.

Don't educate them!! :throw:

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 11:25
List of UK wars/involvement since 45...

Malayan Emergency (1948–60)
Korean War (1950–53)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60)
Cyprus Emergency (1955–59)
Suez Crisis (1956)
Brunei Revolt (1962)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75)
Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66)
Aden Emergency (1963–67)
Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s)
Cod War Confrontation (1975–76)
Iranian Embassy Siege (1980)
Falklands War (1982)
Gulf War (1990–91)
Bosnian War (1992–96)
Operation Desert Fox (1998)
Kosovo War (1999)
21st century[edit]
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)
War in Afghanistan (2001–14)
Iraq War (2003–11)
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing)


Germany:

Er can't find any.

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 11:28
Don't educate them!! :throw:

Of what exactly? It past through parliment - a British one - of which Scotish MPs are part of.

What say would your Indy Scotland have if it didn't agree with an EU army going to war?

The_Equalizer
9th September 2016, 11:31
Germany:

Er can't find any.

I'll do it for you:

List of wars involving Germany - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Germany)

Support Monkey
9th September 2016, 12:36
Even if you feel European most people sign up to fight for King and country, the draw for many is to serve their country, I am not sure how many soldiers want to die for some other country they have no knowledge or affinity with and that goes for all countries not just the UK

original PM
9th September 2016, 12:38
and how long before all vessel states of glorious German Union must send all second born sons for military duty

the problem with an EU army would be either

1) It would never do anything because all member states would need a say in what it was going to do
2) It becomes another German army

there could be no in-between!

Support Monkey
9th September 2016, 12:38
List of UK wars/involvement since 45...

Malayan Emergency (1948–60)
Korean War (1950–53)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60)
Cyprus Emergency (1955–59)
Suez Crisis (1956)
Brunei Revolt (1962)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75)
Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66)
Aden Emergency (1963–67)
Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s)
Cod War Confrontation (1975–76)
Iranian Embassy Siege (1980)
Falklands War (1982)
Gulf War (1990–91)
Bosnian War (1992–96)
Operation Desert Fox (1998)
Kosovo War (1999)
21st century[edit]
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)
War in Afghanistan (2001–14)
Iraq War (2003–11)
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing)


Germany:

Er can't find any.


So considering Germany are part of NATO and NATO sanctioned most of those it would appear some countries are not pulling their weight

vetran
9th September 2016, 13:21
and how long before all vessel states of glorious German Union must send all second born sons for military duty

the problem with an EU army would be either

1) It would never do anything because all member states would need a say in what it was going to do
2) It becomes another German army

there could be no in-between!

Lets see Putin walks into the Ukraine and the EU need to change their trousers. Next time they will need their troops to change their trousers as well.

suityou01
9th September 2016, 13:34
Explain why a EU army is a bad thing?

Why do Nato members need their OWN army?

Utterly bonkers.

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 13:59
Why do Nato members need their OWN army?

Utterly bonkers.

NATO is a defunct. Its purpose obsolete. And what is ironic is you advertise NATO in the first place where its purpose was to.... wait for it...

"formed in 1949 for the defence of Europe"

A EU army is a natural step towards this progress. EU countries are a lot smaller today as the rest of the world grows crazy. An EU army would carry much more weight and possible save money in the long run.

Dark Black
9th September 2016, 14:18
NATO is a defunct. Its purpose obsolete. And what is ironic is you advertise NATO in the first place where its purpose was to.... wait for it...

"formed in 1949 for the defence of Europe"

A EU army is a natural step towards this progress. EU countries are a lot smaller today as the rest of the world grows crazy. An EU army would carry much more weight and possible save money in the long run.

Do you actually believe the tripe you come out with or are you just trolling?

suityou01
9th September 2016, 14:19
NATO is a defunct. Its purpose obsolete. And what is ironic is you advertise NATO in the first place where its purpose was to.... wait for it...

"formed in 1949 for the defence of Europe"

A EU army is a natural step towards this progress. EU countries are a lot smaller today as the rest of the world grows crazy. An EU army would carry much more weight and possible save money in the long run.

Where did you get this shit from? :laugh

GB9
9th September 2016, 15:53
NATO is a defunct. Its purpose obsolete. And what is ironic is you advertise NATO in the first place where its purpose was to.... wait for it...

"formed in 1949 for the defence of Europe"

A EU army is a natural step towards this progress. EU countries are a lot smaller today as the rest of the world grows crazy. An EU army would carry much more weight and possible save money in the long run.

Like most remainers you are sleep walking into the next soviet state.

Suppose the Greek people refused all the conditions set down by Brussels. And suppose the Greek government rebelled against Brussels. And suppose there was an EU army controlled by Brussels. Do you seriously think that Brussels wouldn't send in their army to sort out a rebellion in one of their enclaves? Or would they call ghost busters?

If you don't realise the ultimate outcome of all this is a single eu republic with no nationality other than eu then you're asleep.if the Scots people want that then go for it. May the Force be with you.

scooterscot
9th September 2016, 16:15
Like most remainers you are sleep walking into the next soviet state.

Suppose the Greek people refused all the conditions set down by Brussels. And suppose the Greek government rebelled against Brussels. And suppose there was an EU army controlled by Brussels. Do you seriously think that Brussels wouldn't send in their army to sort out a rebellion in one of their enclaves? Or would they call ghost busters?

If you don't realise the ultimate outcome of all this is a single eu republic with no nationality other than eu then you're asleep.if the Scots people want that then go for it. May the Force be with you.

Would that be a bit like the British army sending troops to northern Ireland?

shaunbhoy
9th September 2016, 18:06
Would that be a bit like the British army sending troops to northern Ireland?

No, it would be absolutely nothing like that. If you can't work that out for yourself perhaps you should logout and let a responsible adult take over your CUK account?

:eyes

vetran
9th September 2016, 18:27
Would that be a bit like the British army sending troops to northern Ireland?

I suppose we should have just let them kill each other, another Serbia eh?

Mordac
10th September 2016, 00:11
Explain why a EU army is a bad thing?

When it's suggested by the Italians, it really is time to panic.
Serious answer, it's basically a bit like everything else run by the EU. Doomed to failure. Look at the migration crisis. Who's sorting that out? Everybody else, and not very well. The EU has been conspicuous by its total absence of anything constructive, on this and virtually everything else that actually matters. Basically, they're spending all their time and effort going after companies who have certain tax arrangements with certain countries (which are technically legal), and ignoring the big important stuff.
I'd like to invite the EU commissioners to a brewery, just to prove my point that they couldn't organise a pissup in one. And you want them to run our armies? You are beyond deluded.

Mordac
10th September 2016, 00:18
List of UK wars/involvement since 45...

Malayan Emergency (1948–60)
Korean War (1950–53)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60)
Cyprus Emergency (1955–59)
Suez Crisis (1956)
Brunei Revolt (1962)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75)
Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66)
Aden Emergency (1963–67)
Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s)
Cod War Confrontation (1975–76)
Iranian Embassy Siege (1980)
Falklands War (1982)
Gulf War (1990–91)
Bosnian War (1992–96)
Operation Desert Fox (1998)
Kosovo War (1999)
21st century[edit]
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)
War in Afghanistan (2001–14)
Iraq War (2003–11)
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing)


Germany:

Er can't find any.

You really should have paid attention in school, and if you had done you would know that the Germans (in various guises, e.g. West Germany, unified post 1990 etc) are not permitted to partake in military action except in a defensive capacity. It's in their constitution, but you only live there, so how the hell should you be expected to know.