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Chutley
13th September 2016, 19:43
I've done just over two years as a contractor, now on 4th contract. First two were 6 months each, 3rd was a year and am 2 months into my 4th contract. And I've been fired.

I'm the 4th Programme Manager in 5 months (!!), in a chaotic, toxic organisation that did not share that when I was hired. Not bothered about leaving at all, as it was just awful, but my question for the more experienced contractors out there....

.... should I include on CV and tell the story if I get to interview?
.....or remove from CV and claim a longer Summer holiday ( I intentionally had 3 months off before this contract started).

(I am not in financial services and have no need to account for my time off contract. In future, I intend to work around 6-8 months each year with long period of holiday for travelling.)

Any wise advice appreciated.

NotAllThere
13th September 2016, 19:53
I've had a couple of toxic contracts. Both are on my CV, and I've got my story straight for both of them. Never had any issues during interviews - and even in one contract helped stop the previous (toxic) client getting work there...

scooterscot
13th September 2016, 20:10
Tell the truth. Had a real toxic client 4-5 years ago, stress levels through the roof, project manager heading for the exit through incompetence firing everyone and anyone who did not sing his tune.

Still, recorded the work on my CV. There was many shortcomings made and future clients were keen to know what went wrong so that they might not follow the same path.

northernladuk
13th September 2016, 20:24
Contractors don't get fired.

Chutley
13th September 2016, 20:30
Contractors don't get fired.

What do you call it then Northernlad? Pray enlighten us with your infamous wit and wisdom.

northernladuk
13th September 2016, 20:43
What do you call it then Northernlad? Pray enlighten us with your infamous wit and wisdom.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_(employment)

Anything that isn't related to employment will do. Take your pick.

DimPrawn
13th September 2016, 21:38
What do you call it then Northernlad? Pray enlighten us with your infamous wit and wisdom.

http://rarerborealis.com/wordpressblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/terminated.gif

missinggreenfields
13th September 2016, 21:47
.... should I include on CV and tell the story if I get to interview?
.....or remove from CV and claim a longer Summer holiday ( I intentionally had 3 months off before this contract started).

If you get caught lying to a client (or potential client) then you will lose any credibility that you have - you only have to get someone at a new site who knows you to let it slip and there will be questions (rightly) asked.

Personally, I'd include it - you just need to be able to explain what happened and why you left. Put some decent spin on it and you'll be fine.

eek
14th September 2016, 06:47
It's too recent and too long term (2 months not 1) to hide. Just create a decent story and keep it on your cv.

NotAllThere
14th September 2016, 07:21
It's too recent and too long term (2 months not 1) to hide. Just create a decent story and keep it on your cv.

"Yes it was a short contract. It terminated earlier than expected as I had a fundamental disagreement with the project manager. I thought he was an idiot and he didn't.".

missinggreenfields
14th September 2016, 08:31
"Yes it was a short contract. It terminated earlier than expected as I had a fundamental disagreement with the project manager. I thought he was an idiot and he didn't.".

Just make sure you get the line straight. Telling a potential client "He thought I was an idiot and I didn't" doesn't sound as impressive.

oracleslave
14th September 2016, 08:36
"Yes it was a short contract. It terminated earlier than expected as I had a fundamental disagreement with the project manager. I thought he was an idiot and he didn't.".

If he was the programme manager - you'd probably want to up that to Project Director or SRO

Eirikur
14th September 2016, 08:36
I left two short contracts off, one they got rid of me, another I got rid of them. I didn't do anything during this contracts so why should I mention them at all?

northernladuk
14th September 2016, 08:40
I left two short contracts off, one they got rid of me, another I got rid of them. I didn't do anything during this contracts so why should I mention them at all?

Because you may apply for something that needs rigorous background checks and things might start to unravel? For a bog standard gig then it's just your call really

Eirikur
14th September 2016, 08:44
Because you may apply for something that needs rigorous background checks and things might start to unravel? For a bog standard gig then it's just your call really

Yes I did go through rigorous checks when I started working for a credit card company. But the agency doing the checks is not the recruiter, so I did mention those contracts to that agency, no problem at all.

northernladuk
14th September 2016, 08:46
Yes I did go through rigorous checks when I started working for a credit card company. But the agency doing the checks is not the recruiter, so I did mention those contracts to that agency, no problem at all.

So you got away with it then.

Eirikur
14th September 2016, 08:46
So you got away with it then.

several times. And it's not lying, not changing the dates of the other contracts.

My cv is my company brochure. Go to any company's website they won't mention their failures as references on there.

The Only Way Is Keynsham
14th September 2016, 08:50
I've had a couple of toxic contracts. Both are on my CV, and I've got my story straight for both of them. Never had any issues during interviews - and even in one contract helped stop the previous (toxic) client getting work there...

It's never good when it's your last client that was toxic though.

I had one contract where I was lured into a role under false pretences. They never told me I'd be serving up links to porno sites to unsuspecting mobile users.

Didn't want them on my CV.

Fortunately I was doing a bit of work on the side & I bigged that up instead and I could get references from that client.

Just make sure ,though, that you can always account for what you put on your CV.

There seems to be a trend of going back 3 years or so for references and/or evidence of you working where you said you were working when you said were working there.

So, while it's tempting to tweak dates by a month or so to make the gaps smaller, I'd recommend against it.

oracleslave
14th September 2016, 09:04
porno peddler

Gumbo - you're back :wink

northernladuk
14th September 2016, 09:09
Gumbo - you're back :wink

Not for long hopefully.

SueEllen
14th September 2016, 09:13
Not for long hopefully.

How mean

The Only Way Is Keynsham
14th September 2016, 09:13
Not for long hopefully.

Get back to playing Cowboys and Indians with Bee

DieScum
14th September 2016, 11:21
I'd be tempted to leave it off as long as you're confident that you're not going to be going anywhere that will require a rigorous check it could come up in any other way.

It's bad enough having to go through a toxic client without having to explain it away at the next interview. As you say the CV is your advertising brochure.

MrMarkyMark
14th September 2016, 11:35
Gumbo - you're back :wink

Na....Its Scroaty / Buggeridge / Phil Rouge / Plantswoman

To name but a few :suicide:

Unless Gumbo was part of that stable?

oracleslave
14th September 2016, 11:42
Na....Its Scroaty / Buggeridge / Phil Rouge / Plantswoman

To name but a few :suicide:

Unless Gumbo was part of that stable?


http://forums.contractoruk.com/general/105940-porno-workplace.html

http://forums.contractoruk.com/general/84425-whos-been-banned-why-8.html#post2243580

Mordac
14th September 2016, 11:43
I've done just over two years as a contractor, now on 4th contract. First two were 6 months each, 3rd was a year and am 2 months into my 4th contract. And I've been fired.

I'm the 4th Programme Manager in 5 months (!!), in a chaotic, toxic organisation that did not share that when I was hired. Not bothered about leaving at all, as it was just awful, but my question for the more experienced contractors out there....

.... should I include on CV and tell the story if I get to interview?
.....or remove from CV and claim a longer Summer holiday ( I intentionally had 3 months off before this contract started).

(I am not in financial services and have no need to account for my time off contract. In future, I intend to work around 6-8 months each year with long period of holiday for travelling.)

Any wise advice appreciated.

Whatever anyone else has said, you can include the contract stating the time you were there, just don't mention you left early - the new client has no way of checking the "intended" length of your contract. You could just say you were filling in while someone was away, or replacing someone else who got fired shortly before the end of a project. Be imaginative, but plausible, and you'll be fine.
Years ago, I worked on a large project and a couple of the contractors got themselves in a little legal bother, and ended up as guests of Her Majesty for a couple of years. Some years later I looked one of them up on Jobserve (I had access to an agency's login - it's a long story) and he had explained the gap as time spent renovating his holiday place in France. It seemed to have worked, he had plenty of contracts since, although none in finance or government, strangely...:wink

MrMarkyMark
14th September 2016, 11:45
http://forums.contractoruk.com/search.php?searchid=3259589

http://forums.contractoruk.com/general/105940-porno-workplace.html

Eyes sharper than mine, well played, sir!

:D

Mincepie
14th September 2016, 12:44
Contractors don't get fired.

Knew this was coming :smokin

MaryPoppins
14th September 2016, 12:49
If you get caught lying to a client (or potential client) then you will lose any credibility that you have - you only have to get someone at a new site who knows you to let it slip and there will be questions (rightly) asked.

Personally, I'd include it - you just need to be able to explain what happened and why you left. Put some decent spin on it and you'll be fine.


Absolutely this.

SueEllen
14th September 2016, 13:39
Na....Its Scroaty / Buggeridge / Phil Rouge / Plantswoman

To name but a few :suicide:

Unless Gumbo was part of that stable?

Nah Gumbo isn't part of that stable.

Places he mentions are different.

MrMarkyMark
14th September 2016, 13:56
Nah Gumbo isn't part of that stable.

Places he mentions are different.

All of them share something very in common though, they don't half spout a load of BS :laugh

oracleslave
14th September 2016, 13:58
Nah Gumbo isn't part of that stable.

Places he mentions are different.

Per the links I posted, I think you're wrong and so did/do the mods

MrMarkyMark
14th September 2016, 14:01
Per the links I posted, I think you're wrong and so did/do the mods

Top one didn't seem to resolve for me, bud :smile

The other one provided a convincing lead, however.

oracleslave
14th September 2016, 14:04
Top one didn't seem to resolve for me, bud :smile

The other one provided a convincing lead, however.

Link any better now?

MrMarkyMark
14th September 2016, 14:09
Link any better now?

Indeed it is, many thanks :smile

stek
14th September 2016, 14:24
Nah Gumbo isn't part of that stable.

Places he mentions are different.

Gumbo got killed in ID2

Chutley
15th September 2016, 17:45
Thanks for the advice from those who gave. Decided that since it will be 3-months, to leave it on the CV. I'm being replaced by an Operations Manager anyway, so have built the story along lines of asked to get the Programme to Go Live and then handed over. Job done - nearly honest, gets the subject dealt with quickly. Now just got to go and find another gig...

Fronttoback
15th September 2016, 17:56
So you've had 4 gigs in two years as a "programme manager". With all due respect, what kind of programmes are you managing? BBC Childrens TV? One simply does not have more than one gig in two years. You can't do much in six months. I wouldn't be worrying about a three month hole. It's the fact you've had 4 gigs in two years that will be a problem. If I was you, I'd select my next gig based on longevity alone, you need to have some longer gigs in there.

SueEllen
15th September 2016, 17:59
Thanks for the advice from those who gave. Decided that since it will be 3-months, to leave it on the CV. I'm being replaced by an Operations Manager anyway, so have built the story along lines of asked to get the Programme to Go Live and then handed over. Job done - nearly honest, gets the subject dealt with quickly. Now just got to go and find another gig...

No need to lie then as they found an internal resource without a job to do in the company to replace you.

Chutley
15th September 2016, 20:07
No need to lie then as they found an internal resource without a job to do in the company to replace you.

Yep, a nutless monkey could do what I do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpeOjJTDWQ

SueEllen
15th September 2016, 21:58
Yep, a nutless monkey could do what I do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpeOjJTDWQ

I should have phrased it slightly better but you just need to point out the internal resource has the required skills and was cheaper than you.