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DimPrawn
9th December 2016, 17:29
Terror suspect arrested in Rotterdam in possession of Kalashnikov - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38267047)

One of Merkels friends?

sasguru
9th December 2016, 17:45
Terror suspect arrested in Rotterdam in possession of Kalashnikov - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38267047)

One of Merkels friends?

Most likely born in Europe :rolleyes:

DimPrawn
9th December 2016, 18:38
Careful, you could get banned for daring to suggest that the entirety l of Merkel's new friends aren't a great asset to Europe, such is the standard of moderation on this board these days.

What price freedom of speech?

SueEllen
9th December 2016, 18:45
What price freedom of speech?

This board ain't free so no free speech.

darmstadt
9th December 2016, 19:20
Terror suspect arrested in Rotterdam in possession of Kalashnikov - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38267047)

One of Merkels friends?

Why not Trump or Farage or Le Pen or Wilders? Right wing terrorism is on the rise in Europe and now accounts for nearly more acts of terrorism than your average ISIS follower but then again I presume because they are probably white and possibly Christian then it is okay. The rise of racism and fascism here is absolutely unbelievable...

sasguru
9th December 2016, 20:26
Careful, you could get banned for daring to suggest that the entirety l of Merkel's new friends aren't a great asset to Europe, such is the standard of moderation on this board these days.

listen to yourself:rolleyes:
In any mass of people there will be some bad uns.
FfS.
It disappoints me when the few people I like on this forum turn out to be cretins.
I'm guessing Nat banned whoever because he got completely irritated by the complete lack of intelligence.

greenlake
9th December 2016, 20:54
What price freedom of speech?

This board ain't free so no free speech.

http://i.imgur.com/GVTXLld.jpg

TestMangler
9th December 2016, 21:18
listen to yourself:rolleyes:
In any mass of people there will be some bad uns.
FfS.
It disappoints me when the few people I like on this forum turn out to be cretins.
I'm guessing Nat banned whoever because he got completely irritated by the complete lack of intelligence.

Well, when one is faced with one's complete lack of intelligence, banning people from a forum must be a boost to the self esteem. I can fully understand why NAT felt the need to do that. :laugh

sasguru
9th December 2016, 21:25
Well, when one is faced with one's complete lack of intelligence, banning people from a forum must be a boost to the self esteem. I can fully understand why NAT felt the need to do that. :laugh

Well we bow to your obvious genius :happy

DimPrawn
9th December 2016, 21:57
Why not Trump or Farage or Le Pen or Wilders? Right wing terrorism is on the rise in Europe and now accounts for nearly more acts of terrorism than your average ISIS follower but then again I presume because they are probably white and possibly Christian then it is okay. The rise of racism and fascism here is absolutely unbelievable...

Here being CUK General or Germany/Europe? Maybe the two are connected...

xoggoth
9th December 2016, 23:13
]Right wing terrorism is on the rise in Europe and now accounts for nearly more acts of terrorism than your average ISIS follower


Where do you get that from? According to this Europol report, while separatists still account for the majority of terrorism, Jihadist attacks in the EU increased sharply from one in 2014 to 17 in 2015. Right-wing attacks only increased to nine, still less than the 13 by left wingers. More to the point, the Jihadist attacks were by far the largest in scale. Of the 151 deaths due to terrorist attacks, 150 were as a result of Jihadist attacks.

Can't find stats for 2016 but none of the incidents in the news suggest a major swing to right wing terrorism. May be the odd nut like Thomas Mair but no evidence of coordinated mass attacks, like those by Jihadists in Paris, by the right wing in Europe. That certainly is not true of Islamist groups, all government warnings are about the threat from those sympathetic to IS.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/europol_tesat_2016.pdf

In Europe the number of terrorist attacks is fortunately still far less than in some countries. The top ten are Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Egypt, Philippines, Bangladesh, Libya and Syria. The threat facing most of those is from Islamic extremism.

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2015/257526.htm

WTFH
9th December 2016, 23:47
BTW, ISIS are right wing terrorists. They do not believe in any socialist ideals. They want to rid the world of anyone who disagrees with them, based on the colour of the person's skin or their religion.
Just because their right wing ideologies do not align with BNP/BF/UKIP/Trump does not make them any different.

darmstadt
10th December 2016, 02:49
Just to start, there's plenty more out there and I'm only talking about Europe (and maybe a bit of USA)....

Right-Wing Extremism and Terrorism in Europe Current Developments and Issues for the Future > Center for Complex Operations > PRISM Volume 6, no. 2 (http://cco.ndu.edu/Publications/PRISM/PRISM-Volume-6-no-2/Article/839011/right-wing-extremism-and-terrorism-in-europe-current-developments-and-issues-fo/)

https://rusi.org/projects/lone-actor-terrorism

woohoo
10th December 2016, 03:20
listen to yourself:rolleyes:
In any mass of people there will be some bad uns.
FfS.
It disappoints me when the few people I like on this forum turn out to be cretins.
I'm guessing Nat banned whoever because he got completely irritated by the complete lack of intelligence.

Yep anyone that doesn't agree with you is a cretin, way to shut down the discussion.

woohoo
10th December 2016, 03:23
This board ain't free so no free speech.

Well CUK isn't as bad as the guardian for moderating comments.

NotAllThere
10th December 2016, 07:15
Careful, you could get banned for daring to suggest that the entirety l of Merkel's new friends aren't a great asset to Europe, such is the standard of moderation on this board these days.I love the thank/like buttons. It makes it easier to spot who to watch:ohwell


What price freedom of speech?Freedom of speech is always limited. But you've not been banned yet. You have freedom. Don't use it for evil.


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I'm guessing Nat banned whoever because he got completely irritated by the complete lack of intelligence.Nah - it was for posing stupid loaded questions in order to stir up trouble, and at the same time - deliberately or not - promote a rather less than tolerant point of view. But the dullards of this forum just produce the usual neanderthal gruntings "uh - no free speech" "uh - banned for tellin' the truth".

WTFH
10th December 2016, 07:37
But the dullards of this forum just produce the usual neanderthal gruntings "uh - no free speech" "uh - banned for tellin' the truth".



Sounds a bit like the Trumpets...
So far since they won, the "we don't need safe spaces" party has boycotted a play, a cereal brand and a movie for being mean.
(their latest attack is on the new Star Wars film, https://twitter.com/hashtag/DumpStarWars?src=hash )

NotAllThere
10th December 2016, 08:17
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/never_seen_star_wars.png

xoggoth
10th December 2016, 09:49
BTW, ISIS are right wing terrorists. They do not believe in any socialist ideals.

Aaaaah! So any terrorist group, regardless of their motivation, is right wing unless they believe in socialism! Thanks for that insight!

woohoo
10th December 2016, 09:54
I love the thank/like buttons. It makes it easier to spot who to watch:ohwell

Freedom of speech is always limited. But you've not been banned yet. You have freedom. Don't use it for evil.

Nah - it was for posing stupid loaded questions in order to stir up trouble, and at the same time - deliberately or not - promote a rather less than tolerant point of view. But the dullards of this forum just produce the usual neanderthal gruntings "uh - no free speech" "uh - banned for tellin' the truth".

NAT you got called out, you made a mistake in banning DA. Let it go now and stop trying to justify your daft decision. Move on.

DimPrawn
10th December 2016, 09:58
Aaaaah! So any terrorist group, regardless of their motivation, is right wing unless they believe in socialism! Thanks for that insight!

ISIS are not members of a recognised workers union, don't believe in the NHS and are don't read the Guardian, therefore they are right wing nut jobs.

So there.

xoggoth
10th December 2016, 10:04
the dullards of this forum just produce the usual neanderthal gruntings

Everyone is entitled to express opinions but it is that sort of abusive language, over an over, that makes him totally unsuited to be a
moderator. Trouble is, it stops me adding it to my ignore list. At least I can ignore SASGuru.

vetran
10th December 2016, 12:50
BTW, ISIS are right wing terrorists. They do not believe in any socialist ideals. They want to rid the world of anyone who disagrees with them, based on the colour of the person's skin or their religion.
Just because their right wing ideologies do not align with BNP/BF/UKIP/Trump does not make them any different.



The terms ‘right wing’ and ‘left wing’ refer to different types of political ideology – how people think society should be run. They are best summed up in relation to people’s views on the economy.

People who are right wing are in favour of ‘free market economics’. This is where private companies are unregulated so they are free to go about their business without any interference from the government, which is sometimes referred to as ‘the state’.

Right wing societies are based on a ‘survival of the fittest’ model where it is believed that the most talented and hard-working individuals will eventually become successful.

Right wing people believe that those who have earned lots of money should not be taxed disproportionately and deserve to enjoy the benefits that their wealth can bring such as being able to pay for a higher quality of education or healthcare.


What does right wing mean? - UK politics explained What is POLITICS? (http://www.whatispolitics.co.uk/questions-answered/what-does-right-wing-mean/)

pretty sure ISIS aren't keen on any of those ideas they are religion based fanatics they don't exist on the normal political spectrum. Any attempts to slur politicians and electorate by placing them in the right left bucket is like comparing Hitler & Stalin and expecting to show one of them in a good light.

Yes ISIS are racist & divisive about faith, don't have an NHS and don't share wealth easily but neither did Russia or China both titular communist & leftist countries.

Anyone who does think ISIS is close to any of the posters on here is obviously very stupid.

SueEllen
10th December 2016, 13:27
What does right wing mean? - UK politics explained What is POLITICS? (http://www.whatispolitics.co.uk/questions-answered/what-does-right-wing-mean/)

pretty sure ISIS aren't keen on any of those ideas they are religion based fanatics they don't exist on the normal political spectrum. Any attempts to slur politicians and electorate by placing them in the right left bucket is like comparing Hitler & Stalin and expecting to show one of them in a good light.

Yes ISIS are racist & divisive about faith, don't have an NHS and don't share wealth easily but neither did Russia or China both titular communist & leftist countries.

Anyone who does think ISIS is close to any of the posters on here is obviously very stupid.

Communism states like the USSR, China and Cuba always have a form of universal healthcare which is why Americans call the NHS communist or socialist run healthcare.

In addition the doctrine behind communism includes sharing resources or wealth even though in the real world that doesn't happen.

NotAllThere
10th December 2016, 14:18
Everyone is entitled to express opinions but it is that sort of abusive language, over an over, that makes him totally unsuited to be a
moderator. Trouble is, it stops me adding it to my ignore list. At least I can ignore SASGuru.

You think you've got problems. I can't add anyone to my ignore list.

'Dullards' abusive language? You are a delicate snowflake, aren't you.

vetran
10th December 2016, 15:12
Communism states like the USSR, China and Cuba always have a form of universal healthcare which is why Americans call the NHS communist or socialist run healthcare.

In addition the doctrine behind communism includes sharing resources or wealth even though in the real world that doesn't happen.

Unfortunately we are talking real world here. Most UK right wing parties support the NHS as universal for all. The Russians & Chinese both had a multi tiered system where party members got better service by right. So no it wasn't the NHS.

The US does have a universal healthcare if you are poor it was called Medicaid & set up by that well known Commie President Lyndon B Johnson. Yet many in the US are offended that the state pays for the poor.

As to equal service & wealth redistribution.


"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" as a great man once wrote about communism. I assume ISIS have equal voting and everyone regardless of seniority gets the best Dachau & sex slave by the Oilfield? Stalin just shipped dissenters and non believers to Kolmya to die ISIS marry them or behead them.

Again real poverty existed in both China & Russia under the communists how long is it since we heard of people actually starving in the UK without a choice to eat (i.e. excluding the mentally incompetent & hunger strikers).

In communism state executions are common. Unjustified jailing of the opposition is also common. We laugh at Kim Jong Ung shooting his staff but he is the head of a communist state. Definitely ISIS characteristics.

Talk is cheap but in reality I would put Communist Idealogies closer to ISIS than any western democracy.

Most western democracies are at least ashamed of state sanctioned murder. They tend not to undertake genocide or ethnic cleansing. - remind me about Stalin's purges & ISIS's playing 50 ways to kill your أسير.

There isn't a desire to convert others buried so deep that it overrules basic principles in most western idealogies.

The reality is ISIS is more akin to communism than Conservatism or even the BNP/EDF (vile as those are). However as I pointed out they are too far out of reality to bother including them in the political spectrum.

oh & by they way most moderate muslims think ISIS are deranged and nothing to do with Islam just as I would expect any sensible Christian to abhor Hitler's affectation of that religion.