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vetran
23rd December 2016, 09:33
Spain DISMISSES Nicola Sturgeon's bid to keep Scotland in the EU single market even if the UK leaves
First Minister set out Brexit demands to Theresa May earlier this week
Said Scotland should stay in single market even if the rest of the UK leaves
Threatening to call a second independence referendum if demands not met
But Spain made clear the whole UK will either be in or out of the single market

Spain DISMISSES Nicola Sturgeon's bid to keep Scotland in the EU single market | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4058006/Spain-DISMISSES-Nicola-Sturgeon-s-bid-Scotland-EU-single-market-UK-leaves.html)



no love lost....

SimonMac
23rd December 2016, 10:00
Spain with veto as much as possible Scotlands ideas for fear of Basque or Catalan doing the same with their independence bids

vetran
23rd December 2016, 10:11
Spain with veto as much as possible Scotlands ideas for fear of Basque or Catalan doing the same with their independence bids

Indeed, pity personal priorities overcome sense so sad we are leaving.. :cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3:

NotAllThere
23rd December 2016, 10:26
Indeed, pity personal priorities overcome sense so sad we are leaving.. :cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3:You really should seek counselling.

NickFitz
23rd December 2016, 10:47
"If the UK leaves the single market, the whole UK will leave the single market. There is only one negotiator, the UK government."

Kind of misses the point that if Scotland becomes independent, it's not part of the UK :eyes

malvolio
23rd December 2016, 11:13
"If the UK leaves the single market, the whole UK will leave the single market. There is only one negotiator, the UK government."

Kind of misses the point that if Scotland becomes independent, it's not part of the UK :eyes
As opposed to missing the rather more pertintent point that it's never going to happen, and if it did (a) Scotland would be at the back of the queue and (b) by the time they get to the front of the queue they would be a basket case.

But hey, it's Christmas. Let's not worry about it... :laugh

SimonMac
23rd December 2016, 18:24
"If the UK leaves the single market, the whole UK will leave the single market. There is only one negotiator, the UK government."

Kind of misses the point that if Scotland becomes independent, it's not part of the UK :eyes

This was before independence, I read it as Sturgeon would threaten a second independence vote if the deal wasn't agreed to allow Scotland to stay when the rest of the UK leaves, no idea what she has been smoking to think there is any legs in anything she has to say anymore

Batcher
24th December 2016, 00:20
FFS linking the Daily Fail !!

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/8951/ian-merrilees-why-spain-has-no-veto-over-scotlands-place-eu

But the crucial difference, which seems to have escaped the attention of señor Rajoy and his legal advisers, is that Article 49 gives him the power of veto, 50 does not.

The important part of Article 50 is paragraph 2. It has already become common parlance in the media and is destined to feature in many news stories to come:

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

That cross-reference to Article 218(3) is vitally important. It means that an exit deal has to be approved not by unanimity in Council but by a qualified majority. To cut a long story short, Rajoy - or more likely his successor considering the weakness of his minority government in Spain - would have to find at least seven other member states to support him should he want to scupper a Brexit agreement just because it permitted Scotland to be part of the EU.

original PM
24th December 2016, 09:36
FFS linking the Daily Fail !!

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/8951/ian-merrilees-why-spain-has-no-veto-over-scotlands-place-eu

But the crucial difference, which seems to have escaped the attention of señor Rajoy and his legal advisers, is that Article 49 gives him the power of veto, 50 does not.

The important part of Article 50 is paragraph 2. It has already become common parlance in the media and is destined to feature in many news stories to come:

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

That cross-reference to Article 218(3) is vitally important. It means that an exit deal has to be approved not by unanimity in Council but by a qualified majority. To cut a long story short, Rajoy - or more likely his successor considering the weakness of his minority government in Spain - would have to find at least seven other member states to support him should he want to scupper a Brexit agreement just because it permitted Scotland to be part of the EU.

Just the kind of bloated unworkable political rubbish we are looking to get away from.

shaunbhoy
24th December 2016, 10:00
Kind of misses the point that if Scotland becomes independent, it's not part of the UK :eyes

Kind of misses the point that Scotland recently had a vote on whether or not to become independent and dismissed the notion. :eyes

MrMarkyMark
24th December 2016, 10:23
<BS Post from Scooter Place holder>

GB9
24th December 2016, 14:43
<Brave Nicola will lead us into independence. We will control our destiny. We will control Europe. Alex Salmond will be President of the Commission. Gordon Brown will save the World. England will be ours.

They'll never take our FREEEEEEEDOMMMMMM!!!!>

There you go.

MrMarkyMark
24th December 2016, 15:00
There you go.

Not official unfortunately, I await the shaggy ones response :eyes

GB9
24th December 2016, 15:32
Not official unfortunately, I await the shaggy ones response :eyes

Damn. Foiled again!

MrMarkyMark
24th December 2016, 15:44
Damn. Foiled again!

He has a very "special" way about him :eyes

Batcher
24th December 2016, 21:37
Kind of misses the point that Scotland recently had a vote on whether or not to become independent and dismissed the notion. :eyes

That vote was when the No side said the only way for Scotland to be in the EU was to stay part of the UK. Those circumstances have changed with Brexit and there will be another referendum along shortly :banana::banana::banana:

GB9
25th December 2016, 13:18
That vote was when the No side said the only way for Scotland to be in the EU was to stay part of the UK. Those circumstances have changed with Brexit and there will be another referendum along shortly :banana::banana::banana:

So even though the polls say you would lose again you want to repeat the exercise of making dicks of yourselves.

Go on then.

vetran
26th December 2016, 20:40
So even though the polls say you would lose again you want to repeat the exercise of making dicks of yourselves.

Go on then.

Yeah its only OUR money you are pissing away.

If the Stupid Nationalist Party want to pay for it all well and good. If not its been voted on and you lost!

vetran
27th December 2016, 11:40
Nasty rumour - Sturgeons nickname at UNI was

Seaweed — because not even the tide would take her out.


:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

darmstadt
27th December 2016, 11:45
Obviously someone thinks she is important enough...

Brexit50: the top 10 most important people

1= Theresa May, UK prime minister.

1= Angela Merkel, German chancellor.

3 Nicola Sturgeon, Scottish first minister.

4 Michel Barnier, chief Brexit negotiator for European commission.

5 Donald Tusk, European council president.

6 François Hollande, French president.

7 Philip Hammond, British chancellor.

8 David Davis, UK Brexit secretary.

9 Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European commission.

10 Guy Verhofstadt, MEP and lead rapporteur on Brexit for the European parliament.

malvolio
27th December 2016, 12:10
Obviously someone thinks she is important enough...

Brexit50: the top 10 most important people

1= Theresa May, UK prime minister.

1= Angela Merkel, German chancellor.

3 Nicola Sturgeon, Scottish first minister.

4 Michel Barnier, chief Brexit negotiator for European commission.

5 Donald Tusk, European council president.

6 François Hollande, French president.

7 Philip Hammond, British chancellor.

8 David Davis, UK Brexit secretary.

9 Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European commission.

10 Guy Verhofstadt, MEP and lead rapporteur on Brexit for the European parliament.
"Important" as in "Have an impact on European politics"? Maybe. "Important " as in "Someone to pay attention to?" Probably no, only three people on that list qualify and one of them has been badly damaged by recent events.

Sturgeon remains an annoying minnow either way.