So what happens if there's a terrible deal at the end of negotiations?

[sasguru]

May has said, both the Commons and Lords have to vote on it.
Currently constituted the Lords would vote against it.
And would MPs vote for a bad deal?
If the deal was rejected, would the vote be to keep the status quo or leave without any deal?
Clear as mud.

[BlasterBates]

That is why Labour said in effect she's opted for a Soft Brexit



I've posted a similar link, her strategy is to leave the single market and then sign bilateral deals to get bits of it back.

errr Switzerland anyone

This will look very much like a Swiss deal probably. I could imagine that they'll set up a new court staffed by the same people who are in the European Court of Justice.

I thought Trump was thick but it looks like the Tory Brexiters are even thicker

That's why the pound is up, her speech has "Switzerland" stamped all over it

[PurpleGorilla]

So what happens if there's a terrible deal at the end of negotiations?

May has said, both the Commons and Lords have to vote on it.
Currently constituted the Lords would vote against it.
And would MPs vote for a bad deal?
If the deal was rejected, would the vote be to keep the status quo or leave without any deal?
Clear as mud.

By the time the cart gets to you at the end of the aisle, the prospect of two delicious choices of 'chicken' or 'beef' will be long gone. Only a luke warm 'not sure' will be on offer, and the veggie option should have been ordered in advance. So take the meal or go hungry. That's the choice.

[sasguru]

That is why Labour said in effect she's opted for a Soft Brexit



I've posted a similar link, her strategy is to leave the single market and then sign bilateral deals to get bits of it back.

errr Switzerland anyone

This will look very much like a Swiss deal probably. I could imagine that they'll set up a new court staffed by the same people who are in the European Court of Justice.

I thought Trump was thick but it looks like the Tory Brexiters are even thicker

That's why the pound is up, her speech has "Switzerland" stamped all over it

The pound went up as soon as she mentioned that the Commons and the Lords would get a vote
But seriously, by doing that she's given the EU an incentive to give us a crap deal.
I'm beginning to think there's more to May than meets the eye - everything she said prior to the referendum indicated that she believed leaving would be harmful to the UK.
No reason to believe she's changed her mind.

[sasguru]

That is why Labour said in effect she's opted for a Soft Brexit

Maybe she's keeping an option open for no Brexit at all.

Because bad deal = Either no Brexit or economic chaos.

General election at that point, to decide?

[jamesbrown]

It would be to leave without any deal, by default, at least in May's view. But, let's face it, continuity Bremoan isn't going to take this lying down and the Irish case led by Maugham et al. is aiming to get a deferral to the ECJ on whether A50 is reversible. One way or another, the reversibility of A50 will be determined. However, in practice, it would happen as follows, even if A50 is determined to be reversible:

• May puts vote, and identifies it as an issue of confidence.
• The vote succeeds in both houses, we're out on the agreed terms. If not, proceed.
• The gov't falls, an election is called on the confidence issue, the Tories win emphatically, a vote is called, we're out on the agreed terms (possibly via destruction of the Lords ).

But that's what Sterling is responding to today, primarily, along with "sell the news", and Trump's rhetoric on the strong USD.

[jamesbrown]

That's why the pound is up, her speech has "Switzerland" stamped all over it

You persistently reject reality I believe I told you, on several occasions, that May would opt for the approach she outlined today. The response from Sterling was for the vote in both houses, because it leaves the possibility that the gov't will need to collapse, first, in order to meet May's rhetoric about taking no deal rather than a bad one, and no one can really predict the political situation two years from now. However, let's be clear, the approach she's adopted is extremely hardline and completely different to what you'd been predicting. The cognitive dissonance is amusing though.

[sasguru]

It would be to leave without any deal, by default, at least in May's view. But, let's face it, continuity Bremoan isn't going to take this lying down and the Irish case led by Maugham et al. is aiming to get a deferral to the ECJ on whether A50 is reversible. One way or another, the reversibility of A50 will be determined. However, in practice, it would happen as follows, even if A50 is determined to be reversible:

• May puts vote, and identifies it as an issue of confidence.
• The vote succeeds in both houses, we're out on the agreed terms. If not, proceed.
• The gov't falls, an election is called on the confidence issue, the Tories win emphatically, a vote is called, we're out on the agreed terms (possibly via destruction of the Lords ).

But that's what Sterling is responding to today, primarily, along with "sell the news", and Trump's rhetoric on the strong USD.

Yeah I think there'll be an election before this is all decided. And if Corbyn is ousted before then, I don't think the outcome is that clear.

[BlasterBates]

There will be a deal

A lot of people frothing at the mouth with glee at the prospect of the UK crashing out of the EU. But the truth is the UK will need a close deal with the EU. May's job is to pull the wool over the eyes of the journalists and readers of the Sun, the Daily Express and the Daily Mail, so they think they've "won back sovereignty" but actually what will happen is old structures will be replaced with similar new structures. However since these ardent "Brexiteer Journalists" are as thick as p*gsh*t, it'll be a straightforward task

[AtW]

There is guarantee that the deal will be God aweful, then this happens -

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post2358259