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GJH
27th February 2017, 13:32
As both a contractor and a buyer of services from other contractors in the public sector I have been following the IR35 developments over the last few months and taken advice. I have come to the view that if anyone is keen on continuing to work in the public sector, retaining limited company status and working outside IR35, one option to consider is to re-focus the terms of engagement on outcomes.

We are a small consultancy working with a wide group of associates, all limited companies. We work across both the public and private sector either putting in teams or just individuals on engagements. I am a joint founder and I myself am delivering engagements as an individual and/or managing teams to deliver work at any one time. Whether we are deploying individuals or teams into the private or public sector we work with our clients to shape engagements. The engagement outcomes are the focus of our services and the benefit our clients will receive. Of course there are cases where our associates are known to and well-loved by our clients and so are continually in demand to extend. However again, rather than simply allowing them to be re-contracted on a time and materials basis we invest our time to re-specify an outcomes-based statement of work. We will continue to deliver engagements like this in the public sector post April 2017 that will remain outside IR35.

I am happy to extend our approach to anyone currently delivering business change & transformation work in the public sector. We have market access pan-government via frameworks that are not contingent labour or manpower substitution-related. Do please get in touch if this is of interest.

cojak
27th February 2017, 15:08
However they won't be able to contact you until you pass moderation.

northernladuk
27th February 2017, 15:16
However they won't be able to contact you until you pass moderation.

As it's touting for business I would assume it isn't going to pass said moderation :D

malvolio
27th February 2017, 15:46
No problem. It won't work anyway...

sal
27th February 2017, 16:07
Sounds all good on paper. Come back when you have proven track record of doing this past April 2017

jamesbrown
27th February 2017, 16:15
No problem. It won't work anyway...

Absolutely, it won't work if the aim is to circumvent. If the aim is to completely change the mode of delivery, it may work, but many PS clients are (and will continue) to look for labour rather than an outsourced service provider.

To the OP: if you're operating at the fringe where the delivery can be re-designed, fine, but you don't have a generally applicable solution, because there isn't one.

northernladuk
27th February 2017, 17:32
OP, while you are at it could you start a website where contractors can swap roles they find so we can cut out the agents as well?

RonBW
27th February 2017, 21:21
Can you post the name of your company so that I can check whether you are listed as a supplier on the government lists?

Thanks :)

GJH
24th March 2017, 14:36
Absolutely, it won't work if the aim is to circumvent. If the aim is to completely change the mode of delivery, it may work, but many PS clients are (and will continue) to look for labour rather than an outsourced service provider.

To the OP: if you're operating at the fringe where the delivery can be re-designed, fine, but you don't have a generally applicable solution, because there isn't one.

Agreed. The idea is to re-design the scope of work. Also agree it won't be possible do achieve in every situation but it will work where one can identify a distinct scope of work - that may work for one individual, or may have to be at a team level where an individual's output can not easily be distinguished and contracted for within a team output.

GJH
24th March 2017, 14:37
Can you post the name of your company so that I can check whether you are listed as a supplier on the government lists?

Thanks :)

We are on G-Cloud 8 under specialist cloud services. The company is SC Skills (SC|Skills | Strategy and Commercial partners to industry and government (http://www.sc-skills.com)) :happy

bobspud
24th March 2017, 15:30
We are on G-Cloud 8 under specialist cloud services. The company is SC Skills (SC|Skills | Strategy and Commercial partners to industry and government (http://www.sc-skills.com)) :happy

Why didn't you just link to your G-Cloud services

https://assets.digitalmarketplace.service.gov.uk/g-cloud-8/documents/703134/204503736632949-sfia-rate-card-2016-06-22-1008.pdf

:)

Just to prove I was not picking on you all of the suppliers are all on there as our prices are transparent to the public

https://assets.digitalmarketplace.service.gov.uk/g-cloud-7/documents/92454/7884860191105302-sfia-rate-card-2015-10-06-0944.pdf