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SueEllen
7th March 2017, 21:16
Seriously why do some people think it's OK to leave someone homeless and destitute on the streets? linky (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/07/charities-giving-home-office-details-of-rough-sleepers-says-report)

vetran
7th March 2017, 21:36
Seriously why do some people think it's OK to give everyone who arrives here a free pass


FTFY.

Like most of the other growing injustices doing anything other than sending them home will compound the problem.

vwdan
7th March 2017, 21:41
Nevermind

shaunbhoy
7th March 2017, 21:45
Seriously why do some people think it's OK to leave someone homeless and destitute on the streets?

Not sure they ARE leaving them homeless and destitute. They are sending them back to where their OWN homes are. Just the destitution aspect to deal with when they get home.

We've met them halfway you might say.

:tongue

BigRed
8th March 2017, 00:04
No-one should get a free ride. I can find thousands of menial jobs that should be done in return for benefits. The tricky bit is finding the right balance but currently we just seem to have handouts with no return.

BrilloPad
8th March 2017, 07:07
I had a colleague that did alot of work with the homeless. Most of the reasons they are homeless is nothing to do with money - it is emotional, drugs etc.

I don't think those helping the homeless should be snitching. It will mean homeless will have no-one to trust.

eek
8th March 2017, 07:13
I had a colleague that did alot of work with the homeless. Most of the reasons they are homeless is nothing to do with money - it is emotional, drugs etc.

I don't think those helping the homeless should be snitching. It will mean homeless will have no-one to trust.

I suspect the charity see it as the least worst option out of a not particularly great set of options. Remember that you are not now allowed to rent a property to someone without the right to be here (see https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/housing/renting-a-home/immigration-checks-by-landlords/) so the charity can't house them - hence its a better option than many of the other options...

PurpleGorilla
8th March 2017, 08:11
I had a colleague that did alot of work with the homeless. Most of the reasons they are homeless is nothing to do with money - it is emotional, drugs etc.

I don't think those helping the homeless should be snitching. It will mean homeless will have no-one to trust.

Quite right, metal illness, family breakdowns, and addiction. Sadly a lot of ex-forces with combat stress.

How many wealthy people walk by without even a thought?

vetran
8th March 2017, 08:50
Problem is that the article is about charities referring foreign rough sleepers to immigration.

Unless we do that then the foreign component will grow. This will make things worse for everyone.

The existing problems we have are deep enough and as mentioned its driven by things other than money.

vetran
8th March 2017, 08:51
Quite right, metal illness, family breakdowns, and addiction. Sadly a lot of ex-forces with combat stress.

How many wealthy people walk by without even a thought?

how many MPs let care in the community continue?

Yes it needs to be fixed but the problems are not solved by a quid given to a beggar.

SueEllen
8th March 2017, 08:59
I had a colleague that did alot of work with the homeless. Most of the reasons they are homeless is nothing to do with money - it is emotional, drugs etc.

I don't think those helping the homeless should be snitching. It will mean homeless will have no-one to trust.

These are foreign citizens with no recourse to public funds.

If say an Indian who came here on a tourist visa works illegally, injures themselves and is homeless because they can't work shouldn't they be sent home?

In your view no but you forget they won't get any help from the British state apart from emergency care so who will look after them? Leaving them on the street means they may end up dead there as if they are returned to India they have family there to help them.

northernladyuk
8th March 2017, 09:12
I for one am delighted that the voluntary sector is patriotically stepping up to its stern Block Warden duties, to advance us as a newly cleansed nation, reborn in the fiery crucible of Brexit.

PurpleGorilla
8th March 2017, 09:15
how many MPs let care in the community continue?

Yes it needs to be fixed but the problems are not solved by a quid given to a beggar.

You can buy them a cup of tea and treat them like a human being.

northernladyuk
8th March 2017, 09:17
You can buy them a cup of tea and treat them like a human being.

What if they're Boomers?

stek
8th March 2017, 09:20
The question I would ask people is if they were born in one of these poor countries whatever the reason they are in that state, would you not try and in prove yours and your family's lot by doing whatever is necessary?

vetran
8th March 2017, 09:21
You can buy them a cup of tea and treat them like a human being.

Indeed I have shared my sandwich / hot chicken with some. I won't give them money though.

vetran
8th March 2017, 09:26
The question I would ask people is if they were born in one of these poor countries whatever the reason they are in that state, would you not try and in prove yours and your family's lot by doing whatever is necessary?

I'm a great fan of fixing it at source. However much of the time in country the government is corrupt.

The problem is always it costs 10X as much to fix it in the UK. Labour , resources & space all cost more.

Now the countries we tried to fix at government level are now open sores breeding hatred.

Again as pointed out last week 90% of the those people paid or are in debt to organised crime to get here.

what do we do? Can we fix the world.

PurpleGorilla
8th March 2017, 09:27
What if they're Boomers?

But them a BLT and tell them it's a BTL.

NotAllThere
8th March 2017, 09:53
You can buy them a cup of tea and treat them like a human being.And just have a chat.