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DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 21:10
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/28/22/article-4358056-3EB7FFC400000578-310_964x605.jpg

By the time you read this Article 50, we're through.

:yay:

:banana::cheers::booty:

DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 21:23
Now is the time to celebrate!

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9321510.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Nigel-Farage-Ritz-Party.jpg

Sir Lord Earl Farage MEP, you are really spoiling us!

DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 21:40
It's okay my little Guardian reading snowflakes, go to your safe space and have a little weepy time.


:cry2:

chopper
28th March 2017, 21:40
I've seen the letter

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/19/b9/2f19b909b4cde7e52bdabbb82d306d74.jpg

DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 21:44
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder869/500x/74882869.jpg

DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 21:48
http://ruletheweb.co.uk/b3ta/bus/MRRFQJCJ/ARTICLE%2050%20SIGNED/%C2%A3350M%20PER%20WEEK/LUVVERLY%20JUBBLY%20%3A-%29/bus.jpg

DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 21:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEWpK_Dl7M

europetractor
28th March 2017, 21:59
Germany alone has mode GDP than the UK. We don't need you either :P

DimPrawn
28th March 2017, 22:05
Germany alone has mode GDP than the UK. We don't need you either :P

Not when we stop buying all your cars and overpriced white goods. :)

europetractor
28th March 2017, 22:12
Not when we stop buying all your cars and overpriced white goods. :)

The Rotschilds are Germans you know. They too know something about banking. What does it matter what one buys when you can have all the money you want.

TestMangler
28th March 2017, 23:01
Not when we stop buying all your cars and overpriced white goods. :)

:laugh

woohoo
29th March 2017, 03:51
Germany alone has mode GDP than the UK. We don't need you either :P

UK contributes 10 billion a year to the EU which is then distributed to various countries after being filtered by the EU institutions. Then places like Poland which are then given the money for infrastructure projects then hire German companies to build the roads and bridges. So good luck finding some other poor sucker to fund your construction companies.

Major Hassle
29th March 2017, 04:50
https://s27.postimg.org/40uavqdgz/IMG_3952.jpg

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 06:43
https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-stop-being-a-pussy-7.png

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 07:19
Brexit MPs throw a tantrum :cry3: (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mps-leave-meeting-protest-gloomy-report-on-life-after-eu-economy-too-remain-a7654801.html)

getting nervous

:D

sasguru
29th March 2017, 07:19
Dear EU,

Looks like Scotland is joining you. please note our new name. Poundland. Everything permanently 20% more expensive.

Bye.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 07:23
Indeed Britain isn't leaving is it, only part of Britain is. Geographically speaking about 66% and the other 33% has most of the fishing grounds and all the oil.

:laugh

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 07:24
Brexit MPs throw a tantrum :cry3: (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mps-leave-meeting-protest-gloomy-report-on-life-after-eu-economy-too-remain-a7654801.html)

getting nervous

:D

Virtue-signalling rent-a-mob snowflakes. Ignore them.

Whorty
29th March 2017, 07:53
Virtue-signalling rent-a-mob snowflakes. Ignore them.
:zzzz::zzzz:

squarepeg
29th March 2017, 08:12
Was the pen the PM signed the letter to the EU with a Pelican or a Montblanc, and is she sending it back to the EU too?

original PM
29th March 2017, 08:16
Was the pen the PM signed the letter to the EU with a Pelican or a Montblanc, and is she sending it back to the EU too?

You do understand we voted to leave the political union which is the EU?

No one voted to only ever buy or use british things again.

you dense tw@

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 09:22
You do understand we voted to leave the political union which is the EU?

No one voted to only ever buy or use british things again.

you dense tw@

We all appreciate that you are thick and that this makes you confused and angry, but you really should calm down.

original PM
29th March 2017, 09:28
We all appreciate that you are thick and that this makes you confused and angry, but you really should calm down.

A post saying they PM should give her pens back because they are not made in the UK is just fooking stupid.

I am neither confused or angry just so incredible disappointed with the basic stupidity of the human race.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 09:30
A post saying they PM should give her pens back because they are not made in the UK is just fooking stupid.



Calm down, calm down!
Should be one the happiest days of your life.
If you're this angry now, imagine how you'll be in 5 years in the food bank queue.

d000hg
29th March 2017, 09:32
It's okay my little Guardian reading snowflakes, go to your safe space and have a little weepy time.


:cry2:Says the man wanting to turn the whole of the UK into a safe space from those nasty foreigners ;)

How does this letter get delivered? Pop it in the post? Olympic torch style procession?

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 09:34
Says the man wanting to turn the whole of the UK into a safe space from those nasty foreigners ;)

How does this letter get delivered? Pop it in the post? Olympic torch style procession?

It's left on Jean-Claude's pillow stapled to a pig's head covered in Bullingdon Juice.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 09:39
and here is the leaked reply from the EU, apparently:

Leaked EU response to Britain's Article 50 letter reveals focus on divorce deal | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-leaked-response-britain-article-50-letter-uk-divorce-deal-focus-theresa-may-talks-a7655296.html)

- no trade deal before the UK has left
- transitional period max. 3 years
- ECJ is arbitrator during transitional period
- NO trade deal with EU, if UK engages in trade talks with other nations before Brexit
- no trade-offs between security/defense and trade
- financial exit settlement

interesting.....

It's clear the EU is going to "frog march" the UK into a humiliating 3 year transitional deal and then negotiate a really sh*tty deal, whilst the UK is on the ropes.

get out of that :D

squarepeg
29th March 2017, 09:41
It's left on Jean-Claude's pillow stapled to a pig's head covered in Bullingdon Juice.

I'm hoping for Tim Barrow chasing Donald Tusk across Brussels until one of them gets tired. That I'd pay to watch.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 09:47
and here is the leaked reply from the EU, apparently:

Leaked EU response to Britain's Article 50 letter reveals focus on divorce deal | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-leaked-response-britain-article-50-letter-uk-divorce-deal-focus-theresa-may-talks-a7655296.html)

- no trade deal before the UK has left
- transitional period max. 3 years
- ECJ is arbitrator during transitional period
- NO trade deal with EU, if UK engages in trade talks with other nations before Brexit
- no trade-offs between security/defense and trade
- financial exit settlement

interesting.....

It's clear the EU is going to "frog march" the UK into a humiliating 3 year transitional deal and then negotiate a really sh*tty deal, whilst the UK is on the ropes.

get out of that :D

You seem to have forgotten we have the upper hand, Brittania rules the waves, 45% of our exports don't go to the EU, the Japanese who own most of the car companies haven't given a direct and clear warning they'll move if the deal is crap, no sirree, they haven't you know, we are definitely going to get passporting rights for our biggest industry, yessirree, yes we are... :laugh:laugh

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 09:48
and here is the leaked reply from the EU, apparently:

Leaked EU response to Britain's Article 50 letter reveals focus on divorce deal | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-leaked-response-britain-article-50-letter-uk-divorce-deal-focus-theresa-may-talks-a7655296.html)

- no trade deal before the UK has left
- transitional period max. 3 years
- ECJ is arbitrator during transitional period
- NO trade deal with EU, if UK engages in trade talks with other nations before Brexit
- no trade-offs between security/defense and trade
- financial exit settlement

interesting.....

It's clear the EU is going to "frog march" the UK into a humiliating 3 year transitional deal and then negotiate a really sh*tty deal, whilst the UK is on the ropes.

get out of that :D

No great surprises.

Interesting how the Ukrainian EU model could be the future solution with the UK.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 09:48
A post saying they PM should give her pens back because they are not made in the UK is just fooking stupid.

I am neither confused or angry just so incredible disappointed with the basic stupidity of the human race.

So why don't you take some personal responsibility and try educating yourself a little? I know it seems mean to say it, but it's for your own good: you really are one of the thickest people on CUK, even below scooter and owl hoot in intelligence I would suggest. You need to try to address this, because it's people like you who are going to suffer most over the next few years.

original PM
29th March 2017, 09:51
and here is the leaked reply from the EU, apparently:

Leaked EU response to Britain's Article 50 letter reveals focus on divorce deal | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-leaked-response-britain-article-50-letter-uk-divorce-deal-focus-theresa-may-talks-a7655296.html)

- no trade deal before the UK has left
- transitional period max. 3 years
- ECJ is arbitrator during transitional period
- NO trade deal with EU, if UK engages in trade talks with other nations before Brexit
- no trade-offs between security/defense and trade
- financial exit settlement

interesting.....

It's clear the EU is going to "frog march" the UK into a humiliating 3 year transitional deal and then negotiate a really sh*tty deal, whilst the UK is on the ropes.

get out of that :D

So they are simply doing exactly what we expected them to.

They are going to spit their dummies out and try and make things difficult - because they feel they can not because they actually need to?

A lot like a spoiled ten year old would do when you decide to leave their 'club'.

Those Europhiles amongst you must be so proud.

Ho hum.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 09:52
So they are simply doing exactly what we expected them to.

They are going to spit their dummies out and try and make things difficult - because they feel they can not because they actually need to?

A lot like a spoiled ten year old would do when you decide to leave their 'club'.

Those Europhiles amongst you must be so proud.

Ho hum.

Well said.

squarepeg
29th March 2017, 09:55
A post saying they PM should give her pens back because they are not made in the UK is just fooking stupid.

I am neither confused or angry just so incredible disappointed with the basic stupidity of the human race.

If Prince Charles seems to have an issue with things not being made in Britain (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/prince-charles-backs-buying-british-as-he-asks-why-his-gin-glass/) then I think it's fair to ask about the PM's pens. No need to get angry. This is your day of joy. Enjoy it.

original PM
29th March 2017, 09:56
So why don't you take some personal responsibility and try educating yourself a little? I know it seems mean to say it, but it's for your own good: you really are one of the thickest people on CUK, even below scooter and owl hoot in intelligence I would suggest. You need to try to address this, because it's people like you who are going to suffer most over the next few years.


Well said.

I am so confused.

1) You are a sockie and so do not actually exist....
2) You seem to be cheering along the fact that the EU are going to act like spoiled children who have n't got their own way.
3) You seem proud to be part of something which thinks 2 is an acceptable way for a developed civilised person to act.
4) Why I am responding you do not exist!

Goddamit

:rolleyes:

sasguru
29th March 2017, 09:58
I am so confused.


That's probably not going to change any time soon.
In any case you should be used to it by now.

LondonManc
29th March 2017, 09:58
and here is the leaked reply from the EU, apparently:

Leaked EU response to Britain's Article 50 letter reveals focus on divorce deal | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-leaked-response-britain-article-50-letter-uk-divorce-deal-focus-theresa-may-talks-a7655296.html)

- no trade deal before the UK has left
- transitional period max. 3 years
- ECJ is arbitrator during transitional period
- NO trade deal with EU, if UK engages in trade talks with other nations before Brexit
- no trade-offs between security/defense and trade
- financial exit settlement

interesting.....

It's clear the EU is going to "frog march" the UK into a humiliating 3 year transitional deal and then negotiate a really sh*tty deal, whilst the UK is on the ropes.

get out of that :D

It takes an absolute imbecile to be pleased with that, should it be true.

Oh, wait, I've just seen who posted it.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 09:59
So they are simply doing exactly what we expected them to.

They are going to spit their dummies out and try and make things difficult - because they feel they can not because they actually need to?

A lot like a spoiled ten year old would do when you decide to leave their 'club'.

Those Europhiles amongst you must be so proud.

Ho hum.

fine Churchillian speech, but how are you going to get out of it

:D

original PM
29th March 2017, 10:01
fine Churchillian speech, but how are you going to get out of it

:D

Get out of what?

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:11
I am so confused.


We guessed that when you posted:


They are going to spit their dummies out and try and make things difficult - because they feel they can not because they actually need to?

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 10:12
Get out of what?

All you have to do is make it work. In fact if it doesn't work it isn't a problem as the process is not irreversible.

EU lawmakers to announce that article 50 is reversible (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-stop-article-50-leave-eu-politicans-donald-tusk-philippe-lamberts-michel-barnier-european-a7655166.html)

:D

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:13
It takes an absolute imbecile to be pleased with that, should it be true.

Oh, wait, I've just seen who posted it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

It isn't nice though. I feel rather sorry for you all.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:15
All you have to do is make it work. In fact if it doesn't work it isn't a problem as the process is not irreversible.

EU lawmakers to announce that article 50 is reversible (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-stop-article-50-leave-eu-politicans-donald-tusk-philippe-lamberts-michel-barnier-european-a7655166.html)

:D

That's interesting. Looking forward to the debate surrounding the act of parliament to withdraw from the EU within the context of the deal on the table.

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 10:15
All you have to do is make it work. In fact if it doesn't work it isn't a problem as the process is not irreversible.

EU lawmakers to announce that article 50 is reversible (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-stop-article-50-leave-eu-politicans-donald-tusk-philippe-lamberts-michel-barnier-european-a7655166.html)

:D

They want us to have another referendum and vote to stay.

How weak would be look in those circumstances.

BTW this is all draft - and hasn't been approved by the commission. I suspect a little more pragmatism will creep into this.

motoukenin
29th March 2017, 10:17
After finding new markets in the brave new world the locals seem confused about the 70K price tag of a mini

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/44/11/6d/44116d25d0f8a89565ce82294e616784.jpg

LondonManc
29th March 2017, 10:17
Get out of what?

Out of Drunker, Merky and co behaving like children.

mall
29th March 2017, 10:17
Money talks Bul$$$ walks.

The French will be difficult until we threaten to buy more Japanese cars and less French ones. Same with Germany.

How many french cars have the UK bought recently. Same with Germany. I reckon we must be one of there biggest markets.

No big loss as Renault/Peugeout etc are all aload of cr$$ anyway.

meridian
29th March 2017, 10:18
So they are simply doing exactly what we expected them to.

They are going to spit their dummies out and try and make things difficult - because they feel they can not because they actually need to?

A lot like a spoiled ten year old would do when you decide to leave their 'club'.

Those Europhiles amongst you must be so proud.

Ho hum.

They're going to do the things that are in the best interests of the EU.

They don't _have_ to offer the UK anything, why can't you whiny snowflake Brexiters understand that, instead of getting all pouty?

Just man up and leave.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:18
They want us to have another referendum and vote to stay.

How weak would be look in those circumstances.

BTW this is all draft - and hasn't been approved by the commission. I suspect a little more pragmatism will creep into this.

It would be up to the sovereign UK parliament, I would think, to decide whether another referendum is needed, or whether a simple act of parliament is required. It might be sensible given that there will be a deal on the table to define what Leave means.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:19
They're going to do the things that are in the best interests of the EU.

They don't _have_ to offer the UK anything, why can't you whiny snowflake Brexiters understand that, instead of getting all pouty?

Just man up and leave.

Because he's a self-entitled cretin.

original PM
29th March 2017, 10:22
They're going to do the things that are in the best interests of the EU.

They don't _have_ to offer the UK anything, why can't you whiny snowflake Brexiters understand that, instead of getting all pouty?

Just man up and leave.

I am not asking them to not make it in the best interest of the EU - but they need to realise we can just leave and ignore what they say.

So make something useful for both parties.

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 10:25
It would be up to the sovereign UK parliament, I would think, to decide whether another referendum is needed, or whether a simple act of parliament is required. It might be sensible given that there will be a deal on the table to define what Leave means.

I don't think we will get another referendum, but it's a possibility.

But I would simply say that we would have ZERO credibility if we revoke A50. We would have to take the whole EU project in our milk bottle, stick the teet in our mouths and suck it up.

"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

sasguru
29th March 2017, 10:28
but they need to realise we can just leave .

I so want us to "just leave"
The resulting chaos in the UK will be good for the soul. And the education of the masses.
And for a small minority of us, the pocket.:D

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:31
I don't think we will get another referendum, but it's a possibility.

But I would simply say that we would have ZERO credibility if we revoke A50. We would have to take the whole EU project in our milk bottle, stick the teet in our mouths and suck it up.

"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

The UK is probably past the point of worrying about credibility.

But whether through act of parliament or referendum, it would be a good thing to have a choice between remaining or a defined post-Leave settlement. I might even vote Leave myself. I don't have any great affection for the EU, always taking the Tony Benn view of an unaccountable European Commission, but I wasn't prepared to vote for an unknown alternative, which would IMO probably lead to a hard-right Tory unwinding of employment rights and other protections.

Let's see what comes out of the negotiations and then take a mature considered decision between two known alternatives.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 10:34
I so want us to "just leave"
The resulting chaos in the UK will be good for the soul. And the education of the masses.
And for a small minority of us, the pocket.:D

I have a hobby chasing economic storms, I think this would be one hell of a "Twister".

:D

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 10:37
I am not asking them to not make it in the best interest of the EU - but they need to realise we can just leave and ignore what they say.

So make something useful for both parties.

.....and of course vice versa.

Lost It
29th March 2017, 10:39
Money talks Bul$$$ walks.

The French will be difficult until we threaten to buy more Japanese cars and less French ones. Same with Germany.

How many french cars have the UK bought recently. Same with Germany. I reckon we must be one of there biggest markets.

No big loss as Renault/Peugeout etc are all aload of cr$$ anyway.

Didn't they Frenchies just buy Vauxhall? Wouldn't that kind of pre-empt the thinking that they will be soon producing Vauxhalls with rather more French content than before to get around any trade tarrifs that the EU might try to impose do you think?

I've seen the Mini plant at Oxford. They make next to nothing there, they assemble from parts but all the bits that make a Mini do come in by truck. Which are mainly LHD ones with driver's whose first language isn't English.... Except the steel body shells.

We are a net importer of car parts, a net exporter of the completed assembled vehicles. And all of those goods would have been purchased so the logistics trail is already in place.

Way I see it, should the rest of the EU decide to impose tarriffs (or be forced to due to the WTF agreement) it will not be to our disadvantage because the tarrifs should balance out. With a bit either way...

I think from that perspective, if we build more vehicles for export than the other EU countries build to send here for us to buy then once all the bits that have to be imported to make the cars we export to the EU balance out, it may be easier to simply buy Japanese... Or any other country that isn't part of the EU.

Construction wise,well many world projects use British knowhow, are staffed by British Engineers and many Brit companies have fingers in many foreign projects one way or another. I don't see this being a problem either.
We are still net exporters on the Infrastructure side.

It's going to be an interesting few years. I hopemy c stays away long enough to enjoy it.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:40
.....and of course vice versa.

No. The UK must have everything it wants or it's not 'fair'.

original PM
29th March 2017, 10:45
No. The UK must have everything it wants or it's not 'fair'.

Ok so do individual countries in the EU want to continue to trade with the UK in a mutually beneficial way? Yes

Does the EU want their members to do trade with the UK in a mutually beneficial way? well it appears the answer is no.

Now does that distill one of the challenges to a level which makes it clear?

Lost It
29th March 2017, 10:45
The UK is probably past the point of worrying about credibility.

But whether through act of parliament or referendum, it would be a good thing to have a choice between remaining or a defined post-Leave settlement. I might even vote Leave myself. I don't have any great affection for the EU, always taking the Tony Benn view of an unaccountable European Commission, but I wasn't prepared to vote for an unknown alternative, which would IMO probably lead to a hard-right Tory unwinding of employment rights and other protections.

Let's see what comes out of the negotiations and then take a mature considered decision between two known alternatives.

Pretty sure the Tories, using their instrument the HMRC are already doing a fair job of eroding some of those "rights" depending on how you view it.

I'm sure we'll be fine. We survived quite well before the EEC. Don't see any reason why we cannot do this again. There won't be an alternative. We are out bar the shouting. The EU cannot afford to give us an alternative, they really don't want any other country following our lead...

sasguru
29th March 2017, 10:46
... it may be easier to simply buy Japanese... .

Dim will be pleased.
Instead of his 10 year old Beemer with tatty alloys, he can get a 6 year old Nissan with tatty alloys.

BrilloPad
29th March 2017, 10:48
I so want us to "just leave"
The resulting chaos in the UK will be good for the soul. And the education of the masses.
And for a small minority of us, the pocket.:D

I so want you to "just leave" CUK.

The UK has punched well above its weight for a very long time. If we can get rid of a few twunts like you we will be fine.

BrilloPad
29th March 2017, 10:49
Dim will be pleased.
Instead of his 10 year old Beemer with tatty alloys, he can get a 6 year old Nissan with tatty alloys.

He bought an Aygo, a bit like yours. Though his is made of gold.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 10:51
I'm sure we'll be fine. We survived quite well before the EEC. Don't see any reason why we cannot do this again.

We didn't though. That's why we tried for years to join the EEC. Britains GDP was declining relative to EUrope's from the end of the 2nd world war to the 70s.

Britain’s EU membership: New insight from economic history | VOX, CEPR’s Policy Portal (http://voxeu.org/article/britain-s-eu-membership-new-insight-economic-history)

" In 1950, UK’s per capita GDP was almost a third larger than the EU6 average; in 1973, it was about 10% below; it has been comparatively stable ever since. On this basis, joining the EU worked – it helped to halt Britain’s relative economic decline vis-à-vis the EU6. "

Eirikur
29th March 2017, 10:53
I'm sure the Brexiteers will be happy with the increased flow of Commonwealth muslim immigrants and investments from Arab totalitarian states such as Qatar announced yesterday
I'm sure the UKIP voting inhabitants of derelict coastal towns will be feeling great, they still don't have a job after Brexit and those who have will see their jobs and employee rights disappear, but they have freedom now, whatever that means
I'm sure the NHS will now receive £350M per week more
I'm sure farmers who voted to leave will be excited to see how all their subsidies are disappearing and consumers don't mind to pay almost double for their milk, meat and veggies because they are now free

sasguru
29th March 2017, 10:53
The UK has borrowed loads to live well above its ability for a very long time, because it's wurf it, innit bruv

FTFY.
How large is the UK’s national debt, and why does it matter? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/19/how-large-is-the-uks-national-debt-and-why-does-it-matter/)

The above article was written pre-Brexit, post Brexit the debt burden will grow.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 10:54
We didn't though. That's why we tried for years to join the EEC. Britains GDP was declining relative to EUrope's from the end of the 2nd world war to the 70s.

Britain’s EU membership: New insight from economic history | VOX, CEPR’s Policy Portal (http://voxeu.org/article/britain-s-eu-membership-new-insight-economic-history)

Still - red, white and blue Brexit, eh?

Lost It
29th March 2017, 10:54
Ok so do individual countries in the EU want to continue to trade with the UK in a mutually beneficial way? Yes

Does the EU want their members to do trade with the UK in a mutually beneficial way? well it appears the answer is no.

Now does that distill one of the challenges to a level which makes it clear?

I think that's what we used to call a conumdrum.

And I think you have pretty much hit what is the main problem. The EU is "run" by an unelected group who cannot be removed by the will of the people. Whichever way you look at it, that's a dictatorship.

That's why I voted leave. I believe in democracy and the use of a Parliament to act for the best wishes of the public. The EU doesn't.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 10:59
I think that's what we used to call a conumdrum.

And I think you have pretty much hit what is the main problem. The EU is "run" by an unelected group who cannot be removed by the will of the people. Whichever way you look at it, that's a dictatorship.

That's why I voted leave. I believe in democracy and the use of a Parliament to act for the best wishes of the public. The EU doesn't.

Not quite true:

Is the EU really run by unelected bureaucrats? : Democratic Audit UK (http://www.democraticaudit.com/2016/06/23/is-the-eu-really-run-by-unelected-bureaucrats/)

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 11:02
I think that's what we used to call a conumdrum.

And I think you have pretty much hit what is the main problem. The EU is "run" by an unelected group who cannot be removed by the will of the people. Whichever way you look at it, that's a dictatorship.

That's why I voted leave. I believe in democracy and the use of a Parliament to act for the best wishes of the public. The EU doesn't.

Isn't it a funny kind of dictatorship where member states have to apply to join, but can leave at any point according to their own democratic mechanisms? Could you talk us through that?

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 11:03
Not quite true:

Is the EU really run by unelected bureaucrats? : Democratic Audit UK (http://www.democraticaudit.com/2016/06/23/is-the-eu-really-run-by-unelected-bureaucrats/)

https://youtu.be/f0wFii8klNg

Lost It
29th March 2017, 11:05
We didn't though. That's why we tried for years to join the EEC. Britains GDP was declining relative to EUrope's from the end of the 2nd world war to the 70s.

Britain’s EU membership: New insight from economic history | VOX, CEPR’s Policy Portal (http://voxeu.org/article/britain-s-eu-membership-new-insight-economic-history)

GDP unfortunately is only a part of it. "We have never had it so good" was a fair statement at the time. The NHS wouldnever have been allowed to happen under EU rules. We had large indiginous industries back then, the world has changed and "we" have changed with it.
We joined the EEC to open markets up. It's cost us vast amounts of treasure ever since.

GDP didn't, and never has, made the population wealthy, only the moneyholders. I frankly become really annoyed when TV programs focus on how much the pound is worth, what stocks and shares have done, because your average GUP doesn't give a rats backside about that.

It's not "news" to them. What is relevant isn't mentioned at all. God is Money it seems. Not the health and welfare of the people who pay for everything through their hard won graft, that the infrastructure is collapsing, that they have to sell their house to keep their nan in a home because that welfare support has all been stripped out by the lastr two governments. Gone. That's what really matters to 99% of the population.

I'd like to believe I have a few working brain cells, and to me the focus on this is all in the wrong place. It seems to be "What's in it for the people that own everything". Not "What's the advantages to the ordinary working people and how to we achieve that".

IMHO.

VectraMan
29th March 2017, 11:05
I think that's what we used to call a conumdrum.

And I think you have pretty much hit what is the main problem. The EU is "run" by an unelected group who cannot be removed by the will of the people. Whichever way you look at it, that's a dictatorship.

That's why I voted leave. I believe in democracy and the use of a Parliament to act for the best wishes of the public. The EU doesn't.

I wish I had a pound for every time someone said "unelected". It's like when somebody asks a small child their opinion and they just regurgitate something they heard their parents say without understanding it.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 11:08
I think that's what we used to call a conumdrum.

The EU is "run" by an unelected group who cannot be removed by the will of the people. Whichever way you look at it, that's a dictatorship.


The elected MEPs can sack the Commission whenever they want.

So yes it is democratically accountable.

meridian
29th March 2017, 11:08
I think that's what we used to call a conumdrum.

And I think you have pretty much hit what is the main problem. The EU is "run" by an unelected group who cannot be removed by the will of the people. Whichever way you look at it, that's a dictatorship.

That's why I voted leave. I believe in democracy and the use of a Parliament to act for the best wishes of the public. The EU doesn't.

Unelected?

So, who did you vote for in the last European Elections then, and do you even know who your MEP is?

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 11:10
The NHS wouldnever have been allowed to happen under EU rules.
I

This is a bit like the previous statement about dictatorship, i.e. just plain wrong.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 11:14
Unelected?

So, who did you vote for in the last European Elections then, and do you even know who your MEP is?

Is that the best you have?

Lost It
29th March 2017, 11:17
Isn't it a funny kind of dictatorship where member states have to apply to join, but can leave at any point according to their own democratic mechanisms? Could you talk us through that?

Yes. If you buy AA cover for your car then you are in. If you don't, you aren't. (Other breakdown organisations are available). If they force you to pay for AA cover, then it's a dictatorship.

Are we "Forced to pay". Or do we actually have a choice?

Another way. Cameron went cap in hand to them and (I hope) explained to them that if he didn't bring something tangible back, something solid, something he could with no element of doubt say "This is what we have got", anything to show that they had agreed to what he was asking for then there was a huge risk that the people might reject the EU.

They were so sure.... They offered maybe's and possibly's. Nothing concrete, nothing etched in Granite and unfortunately for them a bigger proportion of that same GUP weren't happy. That's democracy in action. EU said no. Not possible. Our way or the Highway. Did the "leaders" ask each and every member state for their opinion? Nope. Did they think through worst case? Nope.

I have no doubt whatsoever they were shocked when Brexit happened. I was slightly even though I voted for it.

So was it Cameron's failure or the EU's lack of foresight?

Bit irrelevant anyway. A50 is done.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 11:19
GDP unfortunately is only a part of it. "We have never had it so good" was a fair statement at the time. The NHS wouldnever have been allowed to happen under EU rules. We had large indiginous industries back then, the world has changed and "we" have changed with it.
We joined the EEC to open markets up. It's cost us vast amounts of treasure ever since.

GDP didn't, and never has, made the population wealthy, only the moneyholders. I frankly become really annoyed when TV programs focus on how much the pound is worth, what stocks and shares have done, because your average GUP doesn't give a rats backside about that.

It's not "news" to them. What is relevant isn't mentioned at all. God is Money it seems. Not the health and welfare of the people who pay for everything through their hard won graft, that the infrastructure is collapsing, that they have to sell their house to keep their nan in a home because that welfare support has all been stripped out by the lastr two governments. Gone. That's what really matters to 99% of the population.

I'd like to believe I have a few working brain cells, and to me the focus on this is all in the wrong place. It seems to be "What's in it for the people that own everything". Not "What's the advantages to the ordinary working people and how to we achieve that".

IMHO.

Good rant. Unfortunately it makes no sense.
Yes there was large indigenous manufacturing industry in the 50s.
That was destroyed by (1) poor management (putting Comet in the air without proper testing for example) (2) unions in the 70s and (3) given the coup de grace by Thatcher in the 80s.
In the EU now, Germany of course, but even France, Italy and the Netherlands export more goods than us. The latter 2 much smaller in population.
So clearly the EU doesn't cause manufacturing decline - the failure of our manufacturing is entirely due to our own mistakes.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 11:20
Yes. If you buy AA cover for your car then you are in. If you don't, you aren't. (Other breakdown organisations are available). If they force you to pay for AA cover, then it's a dictatorship.

Are we "Forced to pay". Or do we actually have a choice?


So if you are forced to pay for your AA cover while you are an AA member, but can cancel your AA membership at any point, is that a dictatorship?

Lost It
29th March 2017, 11:21
Unelected?

So, who did you vote for in the last European Elections then, and do you even know who your MEP is?

You mean who my MEP was? Yes I do. And yes I did vote. And I don't think I have to tell you who I actually voted for.

I vote every time I get a chance because quite simply if you don't vote you lose any right to complain about what the result of any vote is.

NotAllThere
29th March 2017, 11:33
It's okay my little Guardian reading snowflakes, go to your safe space and have a little weepy time.


:cry2:I just hope they leave enough room for the brexiters who are already in tantrum tears of rage.


No great surprises.

Interesting how the Ukrainian EU model could be the future solution with the UK.What, getting invaded by Russia? zanáshoo dróozhboo, comrade!


So why don't you take some personal responsibility and try educating yourself a little? I know it seems mean to say it, but it's for your own good: you really are one of the thickest people on CUK, even below scooter and owl hoot in intelligence I would suggest. You need to try to address this, because it's people like you who are going to suffer most over the next few years.But where does he score compared to PG - or even the flounced GB9?

original PM
29th March 2017, 11:34
So if you are forced to pay for your AA cover while you are an AA member, but can cancel your AA membership at any point, is that a dictatorship?

But does the AA then force me to stay for another 2 years?

And then not let me talk to other breakdown companies?

It's a crap analogy anyway!

meridian
29th March 2017, 11:38
Is that the best you have?

Yeah, sorry. Bit tired.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 11:39
But does the AA then force me to stay for another 2 years?

And then not let me talk to other breakdown companies?

It's a crap analogy anyway!

No it forces you to stay until the end of the year.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 11:39
But does the AA then force me to stay for another 2 years?

And then not let me talk to other breakdown companies?

It's a crap analogy anyway!

You see, you have once again misunderstood reality. The UK does not have to remain in the EU for another two years. It could leave immediately at any point by a single act of parliament, but it has chosen to avail itself of the Article 50 mechanism for negotiations over a two year period.

Do you understand a bit better now?

Eirikur
29th March 2017, 12:00
Not sure if someone has posted it but here's the link to May's letter:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prime-ministers-letter-to-donald-tusk-triggering-article-50

original PM
29th March 2017, 12:02
You mean who my MEP was? Yes I do. And yes I did vote. And I don't think I have to tell you who I actually voted for.

I vote every time I get a chance because quite simply if you don't vote you lose any right to complain about what the result of any vote is.

Interesting point.... when did we get a chance to vote for whether we would need to vote for an MEP?

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 12:03
No it forces you to stay until the end of the year.

Not even that. You should be able to cancel membership at any point, although you may not get a refund on membership for a partial year.

diseasex
29th March 2017, 12:03
Not sure if someone has posted it but here's the link to May's letter:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prime-ministers-letter-to-donald-tusk-triggering-article-50

Sad day everyone.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 12:05
Interesting point.... when did we get a chance to vote for whether we would need to vote for an MEP?

It became part of the EEC in 1979. However, the UK always retained the power to leave the EEC / EC / EU at any point without giving notice, if it didn't like the European Parliament.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 12:10
Not even that. You should be able to cancel membership at any point, although you may not get a refund on membership for a partial year.

That's the point that having paid you remain a member whether you want to or not until the period has expired over which you paid. So if you pay an annual membership fee you remain a member and you can complain all you like, they won't remove your access to the service and they won't refund you. The point is if they remove their service then you're entitled to a refund, which is why they wouldn't do it, a bit like a shop not taking back a mars bar you paid for.

original PM
29th March 2017, 12:13
It became part of the EEC in 1979. However, the UK always retained the power to leave the EEC / EC / EU at any point without giving notice, if it didn't like the European Parliament.

At the time it may have seemed like a good idea

but then 1979 was actually 36 years ago.

and to put that into context 36 years prior to 1979 was 1943 and all that that entailed.

The point I guess is that was what correct 36 years ago may no longer be valid in todays world.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 12:15
At the time it may have seemed like a good idea

but then 1979 was actually 36 years ago.

and to put that into context 36 years prior to 1979 was 1943 and all that that entailed.

The point I guess is that was what correct 36 years ago may no longer be valid in todays world.

Which has no relationship to the argument that the EU is an unelected dictatorship, or your apparent view that member states cannot leave the EU at any point without giving two years' notice.

original PM
29th March 2017, 12:18
Which has no relationship to the argument that the EU is an unelected dictatorship, or your apparent view that member states cannot leave the EU at any point without giving two years' notice.

I was not really arguing that that is a bad thing - all I was really trying to say about that was that it is in the best interests of everyone that whatever happens it is actually as good as possible for the 99% not for the 1%

Never really gone along with the EU being an unelected dictatorship - more that it has just happened to come into being and now we are looking and saying we do not believe the being part of that is adding value to the UK.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 12:25
So it took 9 months to write a letter. How far will we get in the next 2 years?

sasguru
29th March 2017, 12:39
... we do not believe the being part of that is adding value to the UK.

The part of the UK that can't do sums believe that, the part that can don't.
One group is right, we shall find out in a few years.

chopper
29th March 2017, 12:47
So we join the AA because we want them to come and recover our car when it breaks down.

But what about when the AA changes its rules, so that it gets to tell us how to drive, where to park. And then further down the line starts telling us which shed we're allowed in the garden and which brand of beans to buy in the supermarket. Oh, and you have to transfer the deeds of your house to them and allow them to come and shag your wife. And that not only do we have to pay the cost of our membership, but that there are a load of members driving Yugos and Ladas and we should probably pay for their cars to be fixed and let them drive ours at the same time.

i.e. they go beyond the remit of what you wanted in the first place.

Isn't it right that we say "sod off"? And when we do, they threaten to take the engine and the steering wheel of our car with them? And every other AA member has to agree how we leave?

All we ever wanted was for them to fix our car or tow it to the nearest garage.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 12:48
So we join the AA because we want them to come and recover our car when it breaks down.

But what about when the AA changes its rules, so that it gets to tell us how to drive, where to park. And then further down the line starts telling us which shed we're allowed in the garden and which brand of beans to buy in the supermarket. Oh, and you have to transfer the deeds of your house to them and allow them to come and shag your wife. And that not only do we have to pay the cost of our membership, but that there are a load of members driving Yugos and Ladas and we should probably pay for their cars to be fixed and let them drive ours at the same time.

i.e. they go beyond the remit of what you wanted in the first place.

Isn't it right that we say "sod off"? And when we do, they threaten to take the engine and the steering wheel of our car with them? And every other AA member has to agree how we leave?

All we ever wanted was for them to fix our car or tow it to the nearest garage.

Only cretins beat a simplistic analogy to within an inch of its life.

HTH, BIKIW:rolleyes:

BrilloPad
29th March 2017, 12:51
Only cretins beat a simplistic analogy to within an inch of its life.

HTH, BIKIW:rolleyes:

That was very simplistic.

sasguru
29th March 2017, 12:51
That was very simplistic.

Speaking of simpletons ...

BrilloPad
29th March 2017, 12:53
Speaking of simpletons ...

63 cretinous posts so far. 937 until the next intelligent" one.

chopper
29th March 2017, 12:57
Only cretins beat a simplistic analogy to within an inch of its life.

No point coming up with an analogy if you don't like the potential retort. Comparing the EU with a consumer service is daft. If I phone up the AA, Sky, EE or whoever to cancel, chances are they'll offer me something amazing to stay.

The EU, with very little to offer, may choose to resort to punishment instead. Beating with a stick rather than dangling the carrot. The EU shouldn't need to resort to that.

NotAllThere
29th March 2017, 13:01
No point coming up with an analogy if you don't like the potential retort. Comparing the EU with a consumer service is daft. If I phone up the AA, Sky, EE or whoever to cancel, chances are they'll offer me something amazing to stay.

The EU, with very little to offer, may choose to resort to punishment instead. Beating with a stick rather than dangling the carrot. The EU shouldn't need to resort to that.Right... so leaving the EU, Britain should be offered a better deal than it already had, even though it's made it quite clear that "Brexit is Brexit" , "We will respect the will of the people" and "we're leaving, end of".

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 13:03
No point coming up with an analogy if you don't like the potential retort. Comparing the EU with a consumer service is daft. If I phone up the AA, Sky, EE or whoever to cancel, chances are they'll offer me something amazing to stay.

The EU, with very little to offer, may choose to resort to punishment instead. Beating with a stick rather than dangling the carrot. The EU shouldn't need to resort to that.

In some ways the EU reminds me of the Church of Scientology.

It's the evangelism. The belief that there is only one acceptable way to save the universe...

Try and leave and they are all 'why are you leaving, what are you saying, this is all lies...'

VectraMan
29th March 2017, 13:12
But what about when the AA changes its rules, so that it gets to tell us how to drive, where to park. And then further down the line starts telling us which shed we're allowed in the garden and which brand of beans to buy in the supermarket. Oh, and you have to transfer the deeds of your house to them and allow them to come and shag your wife. And that not only do we have to pay the cost of our membership, but that there are a load of members driving Yugos and Ladas and we should probably pay for their cars to be fixed and let them drive ours at the same time.

I knew I should have read those change of T&Cs letters.

VectraMan
29th March 2017, 13:13
In some ways Brexitism reminds me of the Church of Scientology.

It's the evangelism. The belief that there is only one acceptable way to save the universe...

FTFY.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 13:14
So we join the AA because we want them to come and recover our car when it breaks down.

But what about when the AA changes its rules, so that it gets to tell us how to drive, where to park. And then further down the line starts telling us which shed we're allowed in the garden and which brand of beans to buy in the supermarket. Oh, and you have to transfer the deeds of your house to them and allow them to come and shag your wife. And that not only do we have to pay the cost of our membership, but that there are a load of members driving Yugos and Ladas and we should probably pay for their cars to be fixed and let them drive ours at the same time.

i.e. they go beyond the remit of what you wanted in the first place.

Isn't it right that we say "sod off"? And when we do, they threaten to take the engine and the steering wheel of our car with them? And every other AA member has to agree how we leave?

All we ever wanted was for them to fix our car or tow it to the nearest garage.

The UK only accepted the rules it wanted. If you look carefully you'll notice they're not in the Euro, they also opted out of lot of other stuff as well like Schengen. They opted out of the social chapter as well and then opted in. They could no doubt have opted out of that again if they'd wanted.

The EU expansion was a British invention, this is probably the key reason the UK wants out. The freedom of movement was there from the very beginning of the EU, right from 1974 any EU citizen had the right to go and work anywhere in the rest of the EU, it didn't "develop" or was thrust upon the UK.

So a better analogy is to be in the AA, pick and choose only the stuff you want, bulldoze your changes through and then leave in a huff because you don't like what you've done.

:D

sasguru
29th March 2017, 13:19
No point coming up with an analogy ...

I didn't. Comparing the EU to the AA is quite nonsensical.

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 13:21
Yes. If you buy AA cover for your car then you are in. If you don't, you aren't. (Other breakdown organisations are available). If they force you to pay for AA cover, then it's a dictatorship.

Are we "Forced to pay". Or do we actually have a choice?



I didn't. Comparing the EU to the AA is quite nonsensical.

The culprit.

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 13:24
I don't think it would be a good idea to leave the AA:

scooterscot
29th March 2017, 14:02
In some ways the EU reminds me of the Church of Scientology.

In some way the UK reminds me of Dante's seven circles of hell.

darmstadt
29th March 2017, 14:03
Interesting point.... when did we get a chance to vote for whether we would need to vote for an MEP?

I would suspect by voting in a general election after reading the various political parties manifesto's and seeing whether they wanted to join the EU or not...Presumably, like the rest of the general populace who are entitled to vote you would have researched what that entails and noticed that it would have given you the vote for an MEP

Mordac
29th March 2017, 14:19
In some way the UK reminds me of Dante's seven circles of hell.

So you won't be rushing back then. Today just gets better and better. :wave:

PurpleGorilla
29th March 2017, 14:20
In some way the UK reminds me of Dante's seven circles of hell.

Is that why you left?

shaunbhoy
29th March 2017, 15:02
63 cretinous posts so far. 937 until the next intelligent" one.

What "next intelligent" one? :laugh

scooterscot
29th March 2017, 15:31
So you won't be rushing back then. Today just gets better and better. :wave:

Not my choice - remember?

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 15:37
Is that why you left?

He can check out any time but he can never leave.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g191261-d253629-r118208904-Thistle_London_Heathrow_Hotel-West_Drayton_Greater_London_England.html

BlasterBates
29th March 2017, 15:49
No parallel trade talks (https://www.yahoo.com/news/merkel-rejects-mays-call-parallel-talks-eu-uk-152136371.html)

...just pay the bill

:D

OwlHoot
29th March 2017, 16:29
It's weird how history can pretty much repeat itself, albeit in slightly disguised forms.

A couple of weeks ago I bought Series 1 of the Tudors in a charity shop for a couple of quid, and have been watching it in my lodgings on and off since.

One thing that struck me was all-too-familiar attitude of the Papacy over Henry VIII's "great matter", his desire to divorce his first wife. Considering the seriousness of the possible outcome, which the Pope must have been aware, of denying the divorce it was a mixture of bone-headed obstinate stupidity and conceit in delaying and denying the King's wishes, although in fairness there was also an element of impotence on account of some other powerful countries pressurising the Pope.

It seems likely the EU will make exactly the same mistake in the UK's exit negotiations, and for the same reasons, namely a mixture of arrogance and thrall to a couple of powerful countries.

OwlHoot
29th March 2017, 17:05
A country by country breakdown:

2017-03-29 What the EU27 wants from Brexit (http://www.politico.eu/article/what-the-eu27-wants-from-brexit/)

On a brief skim, it looks like Germany is practically the only EU country that gives a stuff about freedom of movement of people (besides the rights of EU citizens already in the UK)

LondonManc
29th March 2017, 17:07
A country by country breakdown:

2017-03-29 What the EU27 wants from Brexit (http://www.politico.eu/article/what-the-eu27-wants-from-brexit/)

On a brief skim, it looks like Germany is practically the only EU country that gives a stuff about freedom of movement of people (besides the rights of EU citizens already in the UK)

It wants to get rid of its "Syrian" IS sleepers. Allegedly.

darmstadt
29th March 2017, 17:57
Presumably the alt-right fake news post truth rent-a-mob here: Article 50: Triggering Brexit process prompts spike in online hate speech | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/article-50-trigger-online-hate-speech-brexit-process-begins-racism-researchers-matt-williams-cardiff-a7656666.html)

darmstadt
29th March 2017, 18:16
Going back to 1965:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8E2InHW0AAQrTR.jpg

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 18:24
Going back to 1965:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8E2InHW0AAQrTR.jpg

So a majority of leave voters are no better than murderers.

shaunbhoy
29th March 2017, 18:45
So a majority of leave voters are no better than murderers.

And the majority of Remain voters abstained from answering as they did not understand the questions. :laugh

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 19:01
And the majority of Remain voters abstained from answering as they did not understand the questions. :laugh

Would you be a leave voter perchance?

shaunbhoy
29th March 2017, 19:08
Would you be a leave voter perchance?

Have a guess. Bearing in mind your levels of comprehension, let's make it best of 3.

:laugh

VectraMan
29th March 2017, 19:24
So a majority of leave voters are no better than murderers.

Who think dark blue vs pink passports are amongst the greatest problems of the nation. That and not beating children enough.

shaunbhoy
29th March 2017, 19:31
Who think dark blue vs pink passports are amongst the greatest problems of the nation. That and not beating children enough.

Some wake-up news for Generation Y

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem.
The world will expect you to accomplish something
BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3: You will NOT make £60,000 a year right out of school.
You won't be a vice-president with a carphone until you earn both.

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till
you get a boss.

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity.
Your Grandparents had a different word for burger
flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so
don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as
boring as they are now. They got that way from
paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening
to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So
before you save the rain forest from the parasites of
your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in
your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with
winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some
schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll
give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right
answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance
to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into terms. You don't
get summers off and very few employers are
interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that in
your own time.

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people
actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up
working for one.

Platypus
29th March 2017, 19:35
And for a small minority of us, the pocket.:D

Come again? I don't think I've seen you mention this before..... :rolleyes:

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 19:38
Some wake-up news for Generation Y

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem.
The world will expect you to accomplish something
BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3: You will NOT make £60,000 a year right out of school.
You won't be a vice-president with a carphone until you earn both.

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till
you get a boss.

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity.
Your Grandparents had a different word for burger
flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so
don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as
boring as they are now. They got that way from
paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening
to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So
before you save the rain forest from the parasites of
your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in
your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with
winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some
schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll
give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right
answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance
to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into terms. You don't
get summers off and very few employers are
interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that in
your own time.

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people
actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up
working for one.

Has the missus run off with your personal care assistant again?

scooterscot
29th March 2017, 20:12
If I read another May for uniting the country news story I'll punch the screen.

If you want unity then stop tearing the country apart.
Jesus.
Brexit for unity is like shagging for virginity

northernladyuk
29th March 2017, 20:15
If I read another May for uniting the country news story I'll punch the screen.

If you want unity then stop tearing the country apart.
Jesus.
Brexit for unity is like shagging for virginity

Theresa May has support of people from across UK as she looks to unite the country | Express Comment | Comment | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/784594/Theresa-May-unite-UK-Britain-Scotland)

vetran
29th March 2017, 22:09
What "next intelligent" one? :laugh

An infinite number of AssSnobs and an Infinite number of typewriters we might get a snippet of the works of coco the clown.

BlasterBates
30th March 2017, 07:55
...and some more clarification from May on her letter.

Freedom of movement to continue (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-latest-theresa-may-freedom-of-movement-after-leave-eu-a7657111.html)

I think we can see where all this is heading.

:D

vetran
30th March 2017, 08:06
...and some more clarification from May on her letter.

Freedom of movement to continue (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-latest-theresa-may-freedom-of-movement-after-leave-eu-a7657111.html)

I think we can see where all this is heading.

:D

the whiff of Bremainer desperation increasing?

BlasterBates
30th March 2017, 08:10
the whiff of Bremainer desperation increasing?

you sound slightly nervous

:D

The_Equalizer
30th March 2017, 08:15
...and some more clarification from May on her letter.

Freedom of movement to continue (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-latest-theresa-may-freedom-of-movement-after-leave-eu-a7657111.html)

I think we can see where all this is heading.

:D

I suggest you branch out and read something other than the Independent. What is Independent in Russian anyway?

:D

LondonManc
30th March 2017, 10:24
I suggest you branch out and read something other than the Independent. What is Independent in Russian anyway?

:D

Pravda. HTHBIDI

d000hg
30th March 2017, 10:26
Going back to shillings sounds fun. Another chance to change all the coins.

Lost It
30th March 2017, 13:17
You see, you have once again misunderstood reality. The UK does not have to remain in the EU for another two years. It could leave immediately at any point by a single act of parliament, but it has chosen to avail itself of the Article 50 mechanism for negotiations over a two year period.

Do you understand a bit better now?

I think most people thought we had to use the mechanism that is A50. You are quite right. We have gone this route, I hope, in the spirit of making the best of a surprise result that not many politicians or "the establishment" thought would come to pass.

It's always best to sit back and reflect rather than jumping in (or out in this case) with both feet. There were some very unhappy faces yesterday from what I saw on the "fake news". Or was it the real news? Hard to tell these days...

Lost It
30th March 2017, 13:19
Interesting point.... when did we get a chance to vote for whether we would need to vote for an MEP?

Erm. Every time it came up? But originally, I have no idea. I may or may not have been interested enough in the EEC at the time.

Lost It
30th March 2017, 13:21
At the time it may have seemed like a good idea

but then 1979 was actually 36 years ago.

and to put that into context 36 years prior to 1979 was 1943 and all that that entailed.

The point I guess is that was what correct 36 years ago may no longer be valid in todays world.

Now I'm depressed. This year I will have been married to the same woman for 37 years....

Lost It
30th March 2017, 13:24
Only cretins beat a simplistic analogy to within an inch of its life.

HTH, BIKIW:rolleyes:

How much more useful it would have been to respond with a reasoned argument rather than a rather rubbish insult.
Ah well. I suppose every forum has it's Sun readers.











See what I did there?

Lost It
30th March 2017, 13:26
No point coming up with an analogy if you don't like the potential retort. Comparing the EU with a consumer service is daft. If I phone up the AA, Sky, EE or whoever to cancel, chances are they'll offer me something amazing to stay.

The EU, with very little to offer, may choose to resort to punishment instead. Beating with a stick rather than dangling the carrot. The EU shouldn't need to resort to that.

Well, I seem to recall Cameron gave them the golden opportunity to do just that. Offer a sweetener. Instead they didn't take him seriously. Hence we are here, now.

northernladyuk
30th March 2017, 17:29
How much more useful it would have been to respond with a reasoned argument rather than a rather rubbish insult.


Experience would suggest otherwise.

Mordac
30th March 2017, 17:35
Now I'm depressed. This year I will have been married to the same woman for 37 years....

But on the plus side, she's still deliriously in love. :wink