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Eirikur
27th April 2017, 10:44
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-27/merkel-warns-against-u-k-illusions-in-hard-line-brexit-speech

I suppose for brexiteers "freedom" is worth companies moving out and a million or so more unemployed and being on the bottom of everybody's list

woohoo
27th April 2017, 10:47
Stop your whining and generate some wealth.

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 10:48
It's not fair, and just goes to show we're better off without those EU meanies.

:tantrum:

PurpleGorilla
27th April 2017, 10:50
What illusion is that then? It's hyperbole.

BlasterBates
27th April 2017, 11:00
Not only Merkel, but the rest of the word is getting mightily p*ssed off with Britain. Looks like Empire "2.0" is going down great guns with the Empire "1.0"

Australia High Commissioner warns of Brexit disaster if Government does not change policy | UK | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/797257/Australia-High-Commissioner-Brexit-Government-Wales-Farming)

The UK government appears to be "land of the fairies". To be expected when you put a right wing loon in charge of international trade.


Mr Downer delivered the unprecedented criticism yesterday, claiming the Government's mixed signals meant he had "no idea what Britain wanted to achieve after Brexit".

:laugh

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 11:05
Not only Merkel, but the rest of the word is getting mightily p*ssed off with Britain. Looks like Empire "2.0" is going down great guns with the Empire "1.0"

Australia High Commissioner warns of Brexit disaster if Government does not change policy | UK | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/797257/Australia-High-Commissioner-Brexit-Government-Wales-Farming)

The UK government appears to be "land of the fairies". To be expected when you put a right wing loon in charge of international trade.



:laugh

Mr Downer indeed. Part of the global metropolitan élite.

original PM
27th April 2017, 11:09
Not only Merkel, but the rest of the word is getting mightily p*ssed off with Britain. Looks like Empire "2.0" is going down great guns with the Empire "1.0"

Australia High Commissioner warns of Brexit disaster if Government does not change policy | UK | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/797257/Australia-High-Commissioner-Brexit-Government-Wales-Farming)

The UK government appears to be "land of the fairies". To be expected when you put a right wing loon in charge of international trade.



:laugh

What the feck has it go to do with Australia?

BlasterBates
27th April 2017, 11:14
What the feck has it go to do with Australia?

Not only the EU are calling out the UK government as delusional, but also the only country the UK has a decent chance of getting a "fast deal".

If the Australia can't do a deal with the UK, basically it's going to end up isolated.

:D

bobspud
27th April 2017, 11:15
Think about it for a moment...

IF the UK destabilise Europe and half the planet goes back to rat shit what industry in the UK would possibly benefit massively from that outcome?
Has that industry been known to pull dangerous stunts like this before and what happened as a result?

The truth is while business has been good in the middle east we have not been firing anywhere near enough weapons at each other for the past century. So as a result we have far too many humans at a point where automation might make most of them useless.

From a population reduction and profit point of view there is hardly a downside to encouraging the next massive extinction across Europe.

Dont forget we are just cattle. The elite will do fine whatever happens

TestMangler
27th April 2017, 11:18
What the feck has it go to do with Australia?

Was that a serious question or are you pretending to be stupid to take the piss out of someone ??

original PM
27th April 2017, 11:22
Think about it for a moment...

IF the UK destabilise Europe and half the planet goes back to rat tulip what industry in the UK would possibly benefit massively from that outcome?
Has that industry been known to pull dangerous stunts like this before and what happened as a result?

The truth is while business has been good in the middle east we have not been firing anywhere near enough weapons at each other for the past century. So as a result we have far too many humans at a point where automation might make most of them useless.

From a population reduction and profit point of view there is hardly a downside to encouraging the next massive extinction across Europe.

Dont forget we are just cattle. The elite will do fine whatever happens

The is probably a leap here I am struggling with which is assuming Brexit = Armageddon.

Or is it the assumption that once the UK leaves the EU then war will be declared?

Bit of a jump from us leaving a failing European Parliament which while set up with the best intentions is unfortunately not realising the benefits it was set up to realise and starting WW3?

BlasterBates
27th April 2017, 11:24
Australia is demanding that the UK sacrifices the Hill Sheep farming, the EU will demand that the UK sacrifices it's fishing grounds and its finance industry for a deal. The US will demand that the UK sacrifices the health care industry and chicken farms, India are demanding the UK sacrifices the IT industry.....

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 11:25
The is probably a leap here I am struggling with

Is that your personal motto?

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 11:28
Australia is demanding that the UK sacrifices the Hill Sheep farming, the EU will demand that the UK sacrifices it's fishing grounds and its finance industry for a deal. The US will demand that the UK sacrifices the health care industry and chicken farms, India are demanding the UK sacrifices the IT industry.....

There are no fishing grounds.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/18/denmark-to-contest-uk-efforts-to-take-back-control-of-fisheries

sasguru
27th April 2017, 11:28
...are you pretending to be stupid ...

Sadly no, he is really, really, thick as 2 very thick planks.

sasguru
27th April 2017, 11:29
I am struggling with

To be fair, if you struggle with sense, why shouldn't you struggle with nonsense? :rollin::rollin:
Nothing's changed since school.

original PM
27th April 2017, 11:34
To be fair, if you struggle with sense, why shouldn't you struggle with nonsense? :rollin::rollin:
Nothing's changed since school.

I think if you believe that the UK leaving the EU will result in the deaths of millions of people you are a bit nuts...

:rolleyes:

Eirikur
27th April 2017, 11:56
I think if you believe that the UK leaving the EU will result in the deaths of millions of people you are a bit nuts...

:rolleyes:

Very few wars were waged in Europe since the EC later EU was founded. It's only non EU countries like RUssia that start wars in Europe at the moment and it's the same Russia that likes to see the EU fall apart and actively supports the Le Pens and Farages of this world

bobspud
27th April 2017, 12:02
Bit of a jump from us leaving a failing European Parliament which while set up with the best intentions is unfortunately not realising the benefits it was set up to realise and starting WW3?

Not if you look at the current economic stagnation, growing inequality and debt pile, and how the EU countries deal with migration from non European country's...

It wont be an over night thing but consider this:

How happy will a member country be when they see their own GDP fall because the EU has screwed the UK with a tariff on cheese or beer imports?

How cheerful would France be when they find out that the UK no-longer accept asylum claims coming from anyone that crosses the channel? So far the rules state that asylum must be claimed in the first safe country but everyone lets their borders leak so that the next country can deal with it...

I wouldn't think it will take much to start escalations.

BlasterBates
27th April 2017, 12:04
Well Croatia was at war before it joined the EU. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are not at war, whereas their neighbour the Ukraine is, and Turkey is on the edge of war.

So it isn't stupid to suggest that the EU promotes peace.

PurpleGorilla
27th April 2017, 12:36
Well Croatia was at war before it joined the EU. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are not at war, whereas their neighbour the Ukraine is, and Turkey is on the edge of war.

So it isn't stupid to suggest that the EU promotes peace.

So does the Miss World competition.

There is a big difference between promoting peace and putting boots on the ground under a common flag.

http://english.almanar.com.lb/framework/includes/uploads/2016/11/manar-07092540014787873587.jpg

http://cdn.presstv.com/photo/20160507/1aefbd29-cc4f-4a31-91ac-e3881134a412.jpg

AtW
27th April 2017, 12:40
IF the UK destabilise Europe and half the planet goes back to rat tulip what industry in the UK would possibly benefit massively from that outcome?

What would happen if UK destabilised it's main export market? Nothing good.

tomtomagain
27th April 2017, 12:43
Very few wars were waged in Europe since the EC later EU was founded. It's only non EU countries like RUssia that start wars in Europe at the moment and it's the same Russia that likes to see the EU fall apart and actively supports the Le Pens and Farages of this world

That's ok. If it all kicks off then the UK will probably emerge relatively unscathed.

We're an easily defendable island and have nukes.

AtW
27th April 2017, 12:47
That's ok. If it all kicks off then the UK will probably emerge relatively unscathed.

Relative to places like Syria?

Eirikur
27th April 2017, 12:58
That's ok. If it all kicks off then the UK will probably emerge relatively unscathed.

We're an easily defendable island and have nukes.

You still live in the 1940s? Russia has many more nukes and missiles don't care if the target is an island or not

tomtomagain
27th April 2017, 12:59
Relative to places like Syria?

Relative to Europe.

It shouldn't come to that. NATO is not the EU.

But if the worst comes to the worst you have to ask yourself why should we expect our young men and women to die in a ditch to protect Europe if the EU pursues a course of action that would negatively affect the lives of those men and women and their families during peace time.

How could we ask them to make that sacrifice?

PurpleGorilla
27th April 2017, 13:11
Still waiting to know what these 'illusions' are...

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 13:12
What the feck has it go to do with Australia?

They are a British Dominion 2.0.

BlasterBates
27th April 2017, 13:52
It's fairly clear from the comments of the Australian High Commissioner that UK is the problem, not the EU.

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 13:55
That's ok. If it all kicks off then the UK will probably emerge relatively unscathed.

We're an easily defendable island and rent nukes off a demented pussy grabber.

FTFY

tomtomagain
27th April 2017, 14:14
FTFY

The UK makes its own warheads and subs. The missiles are bought from Lockheed Martin.

So whilst the system is not 100% independent in terms of long term support. It is 100% independent operationally. The PM doesn't have to ask anyone to fire one off.

Upon assuming the role of PM the incumbent has to write letters giving the response to a nuclear attack ( 4, one for each sub ) that are then locked in the boats safe.

Trident: What are the letters of last resort? - BBC Newsbeat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36824917/trident-what-are-the-letters-of-last-resort)

If they cannot tune into the Archers we're all dead.

AtW
27th April 2017, 14:15
The PM doesn't have to ask anyone to fire one off.

Yes, but the missiles won't fly in direction US does not want them to, as the recent failed test apparently showed...

meridian
27th April 2017, 14:19
Not only Merkel, but the rest of the word is getting mightily p*ssed off with Britain. Looks like Empire "2.0" is going down great guns with the Empire "1.0"

Australia High Commissioner warns of Brexit disaster if Government does not change policy | UK | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/797257/Australia-High-Commissioner-Brexit-Government-Wales-Farming)

The UK government appears to be "land of the fairies". To be expected when you put a right wing loon in charge of international trade.



:laugh

The comments section is great, if there's one thing that Brexiters with chips on each shoulder hate more than the EU, it's U.K. farmers. Politics of envy.

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 14:21
The UK makes its own warheads and subs. The missiles are bought from Lockheed Martin.

So whilst the system is not 100% independent in terms of long term support. It is 100% independent operationally. The PM doesn't have to ask anyone to fire one off.

Upon assuming the role of PM the incumbent has to write letters giving the response to a nuclear attack ( 4, one for each sub ) that are then locked in the boats safe.

Trident: What are the letters of last resort? - BBC Newsbeat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36824917/trident-what-are-the-letters-of-last-resort)

If they cannot tune into the Archers we're all dead.

How do you know for sure?

BlasterBates
27th April 2017, 14:27
The UK makes its own warheads and subs. The missiles are bought from Lockheed Martin.

So whilst the system is not 100% independent in terms of long term support. It is 100% independent operationally. The PM doesn't have to ask anyone to fire one off.

Upon assuming the role of PM the incumbent has to write letters giving the response to a nuclear attack ( 4, one for each sub ) that are then locked in the boats safe.

Trident: What are the letters of last resort? - BBC Newsbeat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36824917/trident-what-are-the-letters-of-last-resort)

If they cannot tune into the Archers we're all dead.

No the PM can't fire the warheads without permission from the US.

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmdfence/986/986we13.htm

The fact that, in theory, the British Prime Minister could give the order to fire Trident missiles without getting prior approval from the White House has allowed the UK to maintain the façade of being a global military power. In practice, though, it is difficult to conceive of any situation in which a Prime Minister would fire Trident without prior US approval.

If the US don't approve they simply don't give support and the missiles can't be fired.

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 14:33
No the PM can't fire the warheads without permission from the US.

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmdfence/986/986we13.htm


If the US don't approve they simply don't give support and the missiles can't be fired.

I'm not sure that's definitely true either.

I guess the question is, if the PM ordered a launch independently of the US, how sure are we that the US couldn't technically intervene to stop it (due to the missile leasing / maintenance etc. arrangements?)

shaunbhoy
27th April 2017, 14:36
I'm not sure that's definitely true either.



Oh stop being such a mutton-headed old mugwump!!

:laugh

northernladyuk
27th April 2017, 14:38
Oh stop being such a mutton-headed old mugwump!!

:laugh

Spoken like a true stupid fat drunk.