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vetran
3rd May 2017, 08:44
Davis DISMISSES EU demand for £92bn Brexit divorce bill | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467612/Europe-raises-Britain-s-bill-Brexit-92billion.html)


'We won't pay': David Davis DISMISSES Brussels demand for £92billion after Germany, France and Poland gang up to DOUBLE the Brexit divorce bill
Tensions are rising even before the Brexit negotiations formally get under way
Brussels has upped divorce bill demand from around £50bn to around £92bn
Germany, France and Poland said to have boosted sum to include farm subsidies
Brexit Secretary David Davis flatly dismissed the idea we could pay £92bn



The increase is said to be down to the inclusion of farming subsidies, while Brussels is likely to say the UK is not entitled to a share of the EU's assets, such as buildings.

Amid rising tensions, Theresa May vowed last night that she will be a 'bloody difficult woman' if Mr Juncker tries to thwart a good Brexit deal.

But it also emerged that the EU is trying to ban Mrs May from sitting in on Brexit talks.

HOW THE EU WANTS TO INFLATE THE BREXIT DIVORCE BILL

The latest salvo from the EU comes as their view of what the divorce bill should include comes into focus.

The bloc insists that the UK should keep paying into its coffers until 2020 - after we formally leave - because that is when budgets have been set until.

Member states have also been piling charges into the pot as they realise the scale of the hole about to be left in the EU's finances.

Britain is the second biggest contributor to Brussels, and among only a handful of countries that pay more than they receive.

The new figure, calculated by the Financial Times, has been inflated with the inclusion of farm subsidy payments and EU administration fees in 2019 and 2020. The UK would also be expected to fund loans to poorer EU states.

Germany is said to have been pushing for Britain to be denied a share of the bloc's assets, such as buildings, which could have brought the sum down.

Other costs include generous pensions for thousands of Eurocrats.

Although the €100billion total would be payable up front, some of the money would be expected to come back over the decades.

Officials are insisting she can only discuss terms with the Mr Barnier, not other heads of state, according to The Times.

oh dear.

NotAllThere
3rd May 2017, 09:18
The UK will not pay a £84.6bn "divorce bill" to leave the EU, Brexit Secretary David Davis has insisted. He told ITV's Good Morning Britain the UK would pay what was legally due, "not just what the EU wants".

In other news, the UK government insist that tax payers pay what HMRC want, not what is legally due.

darmstadt
3rd May 2017, 09:27
Once again the Fail writes crap to stir up anti-Europe feelings. You may have noticed in the dross they wrote:


The £92billion (€100bn) has been calculated by the FT (https://www.ft.com/content/cc7eed42-2f49-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a) by analysing the EU's own demands - but in December EU chief Jean-Claude Juncker said the bill would be around £42billion (€50bn).

Basically a figure created by another newspaper, not the EU

BrilloPad
3rd May 2017, 11:18
£92bn? Presumably that al goes to the lawyers?

Eirikur
3rd May 2017, 11:22
If UK doesn't pay all EU subsidies flowing into the UK should be stopped immediately as well.

vetran
3rd May 2017, 11:34
If UK doesn't pay all EU subsidies flowing into the UK should be stopped immediately as well.

and we see the EU mind working again :ohwell

BrilloPad
3rd May 2017, 11:34
If UK doesn't pay all EU subsidies flowing into the UK should be stopped immediately as well.

Agreed. The UK will stop paying the EU and vica versa.

£8bn a year saved.

A few billion here, a few billion there. It soon adds up to a sizeable amount.

Eirikur
3rd May 2017, 11:38
Agreed. The UK will stop paying the EU and vica versa.

£8bn a year saved.

A few billion here, a few billion there. It soon adds up to a sizeable amount.

Problem is that hose who receive EU subsidies now such as farmers and poor regions won't receive any of the money saved

vetran
3rd May 2017, 11:40
Agreed. The UK will stop paying the EU and vica versa.

£8bn a year saved.

A few billion here, a few billion there. It soon adds up to a sizeable amount.

don't forget we want 20% of the assets based on our contribution over the years. But being the weaker party we should have half in a Divorce.

Maybe the EU being in the Stronger position we should get maintenance payments as part of the Divorce?

BrilloPad
3rd May 2017, 11:41
Problem is that hose who receive EU subsidies now such as farmers and poor regions won't receive any of the money saved

By poor do you mean Wandswoth aspiring to Chelsea? :laugh

There is already a huge imbalance. Brexit was always going to increase the imbalance.

I think a lot of the protest votes were wasted.

BrilloPad
3rd May 2017, 11:44
don't forget we want 20% of the assets based on our contribution over the years. But being the weaker party we should have half in a Divorce.

Maybe the EU being in the Stronger position we should get maintenance payments as part of the Divorce?

The EU claim they are in a stronger position.

The reality is that the EU has picked up a lot of expensive children(the Latin countries) and will want maintenance from the hard workers(the UK).

Good luck in trying to enforce that. Maybe the EU could ask team America world police to step in?

original PM
3rd May 2017, 11:44
Problem is that hose who receive EU subsidies now such as farmers and poor regions won't receive any of the money saved

Yes indeed - or maybe not who knows...

diseasex
3rd May 2017, 11:45
don't forget we want 20% of the assets based on our contribution over the years. But being the weaker party we should have half in a Divorce.

Maybe the EU being in the Stronger position we should get maintenance payments as part of the Divorce?

Theres no assets. Eu grants etc go without paying it back. You can have few wines and couple of bricks from eu parliament though and take your fair share of politicians back

BrilloPad
3rd May 2017, 11:46
You can have few whines from eu parliament though

FTFY

vetran
3rd May 2017, 11:49
Theres no assets. Eu grants etc go without paying it back. You can have few wines and couple of bricks from eu parliament though and take your fair share of politicians back

No wine left JCJ hass drunk it allegedly its a wine 'puddle' now.


Just destroying the Divorce analogy after discrediting the Golf course & bar tab suggestions.

scooterscot
3rd May 2017, 14:08
If the UK does not pay its EU future obligations, the UK credit rating will be trashed and the economy will suffer another blow. Expect interest rates will go through the roof!

BrilloPad
3rd May 2017, 14:11
If the UK does not pay its EU future obligations, the UK credit rating will be trashed and the economy will suffer another blow. Expect interest rates will go through the roof!

KUATB

http://forums.contractoruk.com/general/121233-cost-trident-vs-brexit-divorce-bill.html#post2410455

BlasterBates
3rd May 2017, 14:13
The original bill was 50 billion but TM decided to play hard ball, so they've doubled it.

:D

VectraMan
3rd May 2017, 14:44
The original bill was 50 billion but TM decided to play hard ball, so they've doubled it.

:D

Indeed. TM will now negotiate it down to €75bn and call it a victory.

SueEllen
3rd May 2017, 14:46
Indeed. TM will now negotiate it down to €75bn and call it a victory.

Otherwise she will get the Kinnocks and Mandeslime attacking her due to not getting their pensions.

vetran
3rd May 2017, 14:48
The original bill was Fantasy but TM decided not to bend over, so they've doubled the imaginary bill.

:D

FTFY.

BlasterBates
3rd May 2017, 15:01
FTFY.

I think we're all now agreed with the new bill at 100 billion, the original bill will seem like a bargain if they can get it. :D

This is what O'Leary meant when he said everyone would wipe the floor with Britain.

:D

Mordac
3rd May 2017, 16:01
I think we're all now agreed with the new bill at 100 billion, the original bill will seem like a bargain if they can get it. :D

This is what O'Leary meant when he said everyone would wipe the floor with Britain.

:D

We joined a trading block, and now we've decided to leave we find it's actually an extortion racket. Of course their rhetoric isn't actually directed at the UK, it's aimed at the voters of France, and every other member state which might be contemplating a referendum of their own.

Beyond 2019, we have some spending commitments up to 2020 (potentially our annual net contribution), and possibly some smaller commitments beyond that. The "bill" post 2019 should therefore be somewhere between £10bn and £20bn max. We would need to continue making pension contributions, or offer to "buy back" the pensions for UK MEPs and civil servants. We can deduct any UK assets, and negotiate a proportion of EU assets based on historic UK contributions.
I doubt it will be too long before there is an unofficial boycott of certain EU products - I've already started with the French (no French Brie, wine or croissants from now on).
Italy will be tricky - getting the missus to give up Prosecco will be harder than getting Trump off Twitter. :ohwell
Germany could be a real problem if any of our kitchen appliances fail between now and the conclusion of discussions.

Buy British! (Unless it's crap, in which case buy something else). :igmc:

scooterscot
3rd May 2017, 16:29
We joined a trading block, and now we've decided to leave we find it's actually an extortion racket.

Scotland has been saying this for years. Our oil money has been used to fund failed Tory ideology throughout the decades, failed wars... I demand a refund :tumble:

Mordac
3rd May 2017, 16:36
Scotland has been saying this for years. Our oil money has been used to fund failed Westminster ideology throughout the decades, failed wars... I demand a refund :tumble:

FTFY

(I'll let you have that with the alteration - I'm presuming you've been away so long you have forgotten which party leader put us in Iraq and Afghanistan.) :wink

SeededLoaf
3rd May 2017, 17:30
Disappointed. From the thread title I thought this was another contractor's ex wife on the grab :popcorn:

But oh no it's about bl00dy brexit.

squarepeg
3rd May 2017, 19:02
Davis DISMISSES EU demand for £92bn Brexit divorce bill | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467612/Europe-raises-Britain-s-bill-Brexit-92billion.html)






oh dear.

That £92bn is probably pre-tax ;-)

darmstadt
3rd May 2017, 19:39
That £92bn is probably pre-tax ;-)

That 92 billion is what the FT have figured out is the bill not the EU. Not an official figure at all so **** knows why everyone keeps banging on about it...



(I have heard that it will in fact be more with daily interest :laugh )

Mordac
3rd May 2017, 19:53
That 92 billion is what the FT have figured out is the bill not the EU. Not an official figure at all so **** knows why everyone keeps banging on about it...



(I have heard that it will in fact be more with daily interest :laugh )

The FT was a mouthpiece for the EU throughout the referendum campaign and since. Chances are anything the FT says on the subject of "negotiations" is is at least endorsed by the EU, and it's quite possible they were fed the story to make it seem more credible than it really is.

darmstadt
3rd May 2017, 20:02
The FT was a mouthpiece for the EU throughout the referendum campaign and since. Chances are anything the FT says on the subject of "negotiations" is is at least endorsed by the EU, and it's quite possible they were fed the story to make it seem more credible than it really is.

So by this reckoning everything that the Mail, Express, Telegraph, et. al. who were all, and still are it seems, mouthpieces for the Leave campaign makes everything they say credible?