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SandyD
4th May 2017, 14:28
What an article??
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/03/the-six-brexit-traps-that-will-defeat-theresa-may?CMP=fb_gu


In truth, Brussels is a democracy-free zone. From the EU’s inception in 1950, Brussels became the seat of a bureaucracy administering a heavy industry cartel, vested with unprecedented law-making capacities. Even though the EU has evolved a great deal since, and acquired many of the trappings of a confederacy, it remains in the nature of the beast to treat the will of electorates as a nuisance that must be, somehow, negated. The whole point of the EU’s inter-governmental organisation was to ensure that only by a rare historical accident would democratic mandates converge and, when they did, never restrain the exercise of power in Brussels.

PurpleGorilla
4th May 2017, 14:43
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-51prLeSuTvw/VhVDGALWuBI/AAAAAAAA25Q/ueVX4dYM9Zg/s1600/CQuSgohWEAELPxK.jpg

BrilloPad
4th May 2017, 14:46
Two years ago Yanis Varoufakis led Greece’s failed attempt to negotiate with the EU. He explains how the Brussels establishment will do everything to frustrate and outmanoeuvre the British prime minister, using tactics ranging from truth reversal to ‘the Penelope ruse’.

Didn't he get the Greek PM to call an election to see if the EU deal should be accepted or not. The people voted no and the deal was accepted anyway.

Hardly someone to be lecturing about democracy and freedom. I bet he does not live in a shipping container.

VectraMan
4th May 2017, 14:47
TL;DR: The EU is good at negotiating. It would be deeply stupid and arrogant to think taking them on will be easy.

PurpleGorilla
4th May 2017, 14:54
Two years ago Yanis Varoufakis led Greece’s failed attempt to negotiate with the EU. He explains how the Brussels establishment will do everything to frustrate and outmanoeuvre the British prime minister, using tactics ranging from truth reversal to ‘the Penelope ruse’.

Didn't he get the Greek PM to call an election to see if the EU deal should be accepted or not. The people voted no and the deal was accepted anyway.

Hardly someone to be lecturing about democracy and freedom. I bet he does not live in a shipping container.

I think it was a referendum, which they voted to reject, so the EU tightened the screws and the Greece capitulated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015

BlasterBates
4th May 2017, 15:10
In short the UK will get its ass kicked.

:D

WTFH
4th May 2017, 15:11
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-51prLeSuTvw/VhVDGALWuBI/AAAAAAAA25Q/ueVX4dYM9Zg/s1600/CQuSgohWEAELPxK.jpg

Source?

(There is no evidence he ever said that. As Abraham Lincoln famously said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet")

BlasterBates
4th May 2017, 15:17
Source?

(There is no evidence he ever said that. As Abraham Lincoln famously said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet")

Since he still evidently believes in the old USSR, unlikely that this is anything more than some cr*p on an internet site.

Russian Empire 2: Mikhail Gorbachev calls for new Soviet Union | Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/570117/Mikhail-Gorbachev-new-ussr-soviet-union-russian-empire-novorossiya-vladimir-putin-ww3)

:D

northernladyuk
4th May 2017, 15:19
Source?

(There is no evidence he ever said that. As Abraham Lincoln famously said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet")

He read it on the side of a bus.

PurpleGorilla
4th May 2017, 15:28
Source?

(There is no evidence he ever said that. As Abraham Lincoln famously said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet")

Ah shucks - I liked that quote.

meridian
4th May 2017, 15:52
I think it was a referendum, which they voted to reject, so the EU tightened the screws and the Greece capitulated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015

At least they had a vote, which is more than we had when Blair led us into Iraq.

All governments do what they want. Only the most crafty do it with the pretence that the people are having their say.

SueEllen
4th May 2017, 15:52
Ah shucks - I liked that quote.

I like this one - Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

I suspect you will now be looking for the source of your quotes on posters - ;)

NotAllThere
4th May 2017, 16:43
I like this one - Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”I prefer the rather more despairing poem by S. Turner.

History repeats itself
Has to
No-one listens


Ah shucks - I liked that quote.That's because it confirms your existing views.

VectraMan
4th May 2017, 16:46
I like this one - Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

I suspect you will now be looking for the source of your quotes on posters - ;)

I thought it was "those who don't understand history are condemned to repeat it". Like the nationalists who call the EU 'the fourth Reich'.

I like this one :

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. ~ Albert Einstein. Traditional ... Albert Einstein, in a letter to Alfred Kneser (7 June 1918); Doc.

SueEllen
4th May 2017, 18:01
I thought it was "those who don't understand history are condemned to repeat it". Like the nationalists who call the EU 'the fourth Reich'.

There are lots of variations but it is out of some book called "Life of Reason" (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15000)by George Santayana. If you google you get the exact translated phrase from the book



I like this one :

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. ~ Albert Einstein. Traditional ... Albert Einstein, in a letter to Alfred Kneser (7 June 1918); Doc.

Nice.

centurian
4th May 2017, 18:40
When I saw the rag and the author (left and lefter), my expectations were low - but I thought it was an excellent article.

Varoufakis's biggest problem was that they said - "we want to stay in the EU at any cost". They were bluffing - and the EU knew it, so they increased the cost even further.

So when Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon say "we want to stay in the single market at any cost" - they are total utter f-wits of negotiators.

Our problem is the EU think May is bluffing when we says "No deal is better than a bad deal" - and might just call her bluff.

scooterscot
4th May 2017, 21:02
Source?

(There is no evidence he ever said that. As Abraham Lincoln famously said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet")

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-of-all-the-small-nations-of-this-earth-perhaps-only-the-ancient-greeks-surpass-the-scots-winston-churchill-51-34-49.jpg

chopper
4th May 2017, 22:22
Our problem is the EU think May is bluffing when we says "No deal is better than a bad deal" - and might just call her bluff.

If the EU think we need to pay 25 years worth of net contributions, but not have 25 years worth of the benefits of the various EU institutions, then that is the very definition of no deal being better than a bad deal.

Old Greg
24th March 2019, 22:21
In short the UK will get its ass kicked.

:D

But the UK holds all the cards.

AtW
24th March 2019, 22:28
But the UK holds all the cards.

Yeah, a pair of twos