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Eirikur
5th May 2017, 15:34
Brexit: English language 'losing importance' - EU's Juncker - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39816044)

I blame this guy to be personally responsible for brexit, without him brexit wouldn't have happened. He personificates everything that people perceive as being wrong with the EU
Donald Tusk seems to be the much more reasonable guy

SueEllen
5th May 2017, 15:40
The guy is a plonker.

AtW
5th May 2017, 15:50
Breaking news - a fair few people in EU power circles are actually very happy for Brexit to happen! Can you really blame them for all the tulip EU had to endure from UK over decades?

Platypus
5th May 2017, 15:54
Breaking news - a fair few people in EU power circles are actually very happy for Brexit to happen! Can you really blame them for all the tulip EU had to endure from UK over decades?

All the shit? You mean, like trying not to get screwed over by the EU? Like not accepting everything without question?

Yes, they want us gone, I'm sure, and with a bad deal or no deal, they don't care. Without the UK they have 27 nations remaining who know that any dissent is simply a waste of time.

VectraMan
5th May 2017, 16:24
I don't know why this made the news. Of course English is now less important.

SandyD
5th May 2017, 16:55
I don't know why this made the news. Of course English is now less important.

Propaganda to make EU the big bad wolf and May is our only Savior !

shaunbhoy
5th May 2017, 16:57
I don't know why this made the news. Of course English is now less important.

"less important" in what context?

If people really believe that then they really are deluded.

SueEllen
5th May 2017, 17:00
Malta - EU member
Ireland - EU member

English is the most commonly spoken language in 19 of 25 EU member countries

AtW
5th May 2017, 17:01
Malta - EU member
Ireland - EU member

English is the most commonly spoken language in 19 of 25 EU member countries

For now

shaunbhoy
5th May 2017, 17:08
For now

To be replaced by................??????

:eyes

SueEllen
5th May 2017, 17:27
For now

When I was digging out the figures it showed that most Europeans spoke English amongst themselves when they don't speak each others native language e.g. Belgium for political reasons.

AtW
5th May 2017, 17:30
When I was digging out the figures it showed that most Europeans spoke English amongst themselves when they don't speak each others native language e.g. Belgium for political reasons.

It will be German and French from now on

Ja

MarillionFan
5th May 2017, 17:32
It will be German and French from now on

Ja

Russian and Mandarin after the 13th May.

#Baba Vanga

AtW
5th May 2017, 17:37
Odd years will be French and on even - German

xoggoth
5th May 2017, 17:42
The most common language in the EU is bollox.

europetractor
5th May 2017, 17:44
They are telling you you are second class citizen now in the EU. We will look down upon you when you visit. :P We will build the fartherland - Germany.

VectraMan
5th May 2017, 17:56
"less important" in what context?.

English goes from being the second biggest native language in the EU to about the 15th.

It's a statement of fact not opinion. In related shock news the geographical centre of the EU will move further away from the UK.

Bee
5th May 2017, 18:27
This guy should be ashamed of himself.

English is the international language with or without the UK. This guy is giving too much importance to the UK or just want to provoke or destabilise wich it's not a good step for a person in his position.

I miss Durão Barroso, at least he has common sense.

Bee
5th May 2017, 18:29
It will be German and French from now on

Ja

In their f*** dreams...

cojak
5th May 2017, 18:33
When I was digging out the figures it showed that most Europeans spoke English amongst themselves when they don't speak each others native language e.g. Belgium for political reasons.

That was definitely the case when I worked in Switzerland. Germans refused to speak French, the French refused to speak German and no-one was prepared to learn Dutch.

Major Hassle
5th May 2017, 18:37
To be replaced by................??????

:eyes

Esperanto :rollin:

shaunbhoy
5th May 2017, 19:17
English goes from being the second biggest native language in the EU to about the 15th.

An irrelevance in the context of how widely the language is, and will remain to be, very widely spoken between the remaining 27 as the obvious universal conduit for everyday communal conversation.

:eyes




It's a statement of fact not opinion.

No, it is a statement of hairsplitting, pointless, desperate, pedantry.

The kind of thing your "reputation" seems to need to thrive upon.

:laugh

dotcom12
5th May 2017, 22:37
Junker is going to make life very difficult:spank:

squarepeg
6th May 2017, 06:43
Juncker is a distraction. Tusk is a skilled politician with a record of surviving tough challenges and turning them into his own successes. He also has connections to the European power brokers. I'd watch what he does. Juncker holds a lot of power, but plenty of what happens during the negotiations will depend on Tusk's opinion. It would be wise for the British Prime Minister to wine and dine him too. I'd say that would help strengthen those factions within the EU that want a friendly Brexit.

motoukenin
6th May 2017, 07:40
Juncker is a distraction. Tusk is a skilled politician with a record of surviving tough challenges and turning them into his own successes. He also has connections to the European power brokers. I'd watch what he does. Juncker holds a lot of power, but plenty of what happens during the negotiations will depend on Tusk's opinion. It would be wise for the British Prime Minister to wine and dine him too. I'd say that would help strengthen those factions within the EU that want a friendly Brexit.

Reading German Press seems like these negotiations are going to be worthless, I would tell May to save her money all the EU seem to want is a load of cash to pay for a transition period, if that is not forthcoming then it will be a very sudden exit, trade deals will still be negotiated but over many years 5 - 7 would be more likely.

Some Brexit numptes think the EU will do some special deal, just not going to happen mood over here is if your in your in and if your not then your on your own, lot of British politicians and people don't quite get it.

PurpleGorilla
6th May 2017, 08:14
Reading German Press seems like these negotiations are going to be worthless, I would tell May to save her money all the EU seem to want is a load of cash to pay for a transition period, if that is not forthcoming then it will be a very sudden exit, trade deals will still be negotiated but over many years 5 - 7 would be more likely.

Some Brexit numptes think the EU will do some special deal, just not going to happen mood over here is if your in your in and if your not then your on your own, lot of British politicians and people don't quite get it.

What are your thoughts on Varoufakis's recommendation for the UK slide into the EEA like Norway, for 7 years whilst working on the FTA.

Cut out a lot of the schadenfreude...

meridian
6th May 2017, 09:20
What are your thoughts on Varoufakis's recommendation for the UK slide into the EEA like Norway, for 7 years whilst working on the FTA.

Cut out a lot of the schadenfreude...

Sounds great, what would you be prepared to give up in return (like Norway)?

PurpleGorilla
6th May 2017, 09:51
Sounds great, what would you be prepared to give up in return (like Norway)?

Clearly the thing that is given up in that scenario is FOM. Or rather, we must stick to the 4 freedoms.

Fine, all things considered probably the best outcome, whilst we sort a longer term FTA.

I do think a lot could be done in terms of residency requirements and benefits that would help curb FOM.

SueEllen
6th May 2017, 10:35
Clearly the thing that is given up in that scenario is FOM. Or rather, we must stick to the 4 freedoms.

Fine, all things considered probably the best outcome, whilst we sort a longer term FTA.

I do think a lot could be done in terms of residency requirements and benefits that would help curb FOM.

The PM will lie and says everyone who comes to UK will need to have a job or proof they can support themselves, and get a special visa like Norway, Iceland and Switzerland. Then argue it's not FOM....

BlasterBates
6th May 2017, 14:16
The PM will lie and says everyone who comes to UK will need to have a job or proof they can support themselves, and get a special visa like Norway, Iceland and Switzerland. Then argue it's not FOM....

This where I believe the UK is heading. In the EU but using "instruments" that avoid the use of the word "European".

:D

meridian
6th May 2017, 14:49
Clearly the thing that is given up in that scenario is FOM. Or rather, we must stick to the 4 freedoms.

Fine, all things considered probably the best outcome, whilst we sort a longer term FTA.

I do think a lot could be done in terms of residency requirements and benefits that would help curb FOM.

FOM isn't the only thing that Norway gave up, they also provide contributions to the EU and have implemented a good number of EU laws.

All things considered, probably not the best outcome (politically).

The mechanisms are already there for the UK to act on benefits etc for EU citizens, it just chooses not to implement them.

squarepeg
6th May 2017, 14:49
This where I believe the UK is heading. In the EU but using "instruments" that avoid the use of the word "European".

:D

Went to see my local car dealer and asked him when I need to bring the car for tyre rotation. the guy told me, "we don't rotate tyres, it's an European legislation, so we just reset the computer." :-)

BrilloPad
6th May 2017, 17:10
English is almost unimportant However American is incredibly important.

EU really clutching at straws now. They are rattled.

AtW
6th May 2017, 18:24
EU will adopt American spelling in the name of economy ...

PurpleGorilla
6th May 2017, 18:31
FOM isn't the only thing that Norway gave up, they also provide contributions to the EU and have implemented a good number of EU laws.

All things considered, probably not the best outcome (politically).

The mechanisms are already there for the UK to act on benefits etc for EU citizens, it just chooses not to implement them.

for a transitionary period though it could work?

AtW
6th May 2017, 19:21
for a transitionary period though it could work?

Transitionary period before Brexit started when UK joined EU

HTH

BrilloPad
6th May 2017, 20:12
As Clarkson pointed out today, by making the point in FRench it cost the EU huge translation costs into German, Polish, Spanish etc. Everyone can understand American.

scooterscot
6th May 2017, 20:27
English is almost unimportant However American is incredibly important.

EU really clutching at straws now. They are rattled.

Bitte?

BrilloPad
6th May 2017, 20:28
Bitte?

Yes please! Pint....

meridian
7th May 2017, 07:38
for a transitionary period though it could work?

Yes, of course. We stay in the EEA and common market in return for a contribution to the EU (say, £350m per week?) without any of that contribution coming back to the poorer regions of the UK, continue to accept freedom of movement, and accept EU laws (without now having a say in how they are drafted), all for a transitionary period. Let's say 40 years?

SueEllen
7th May 2017, 08:06
Yes, of course. We stay in the EEA and common market in return for a contribution to the EU (say, £350m per week?) without any of that contribution coming back to the poorer regions of the UK, continue to accept freedom of movement, and accept EU laws (without now having a say in how they are drafted), all for a transitionary period. Let's say 40 years?

It's not freedom of movement it is special visa rules for people from EEA countries.

Goddammit

PurpleGorilla
7th May 2017, 10:27
Yes, of course. We stay in the EEA and common market in return for a contribution to the EU (say, £350m per week?) without any of that contribution coming back to the poorer regions of the UK, continue to accept freedom of movement, and accept EU laws (without now having a say in how they are drafted), all for a transitionary period. Let's say 40 years?

No.

EEA for 5-7 years then FTA

Or

Hard brexit WTO

I'm happy with either.

meridian
7th May 2017, 12:03
No.

EEA for 5-7 years then FTA

Or

Hard brexit WTO

I'm happy with either.

Out of interest, why would you be happy with either? Does a hard Brexit make sense economically for the UK overall?

PurpleGorilla
7th May 2017, 15:39
Out of interest, why would you be happy with either? Does a hard Brexit make sense economically for the UK overall?

Transitionary EEA would save a lot of mincing about before a FTA is agreed.

Hard brexit to WTO would save a lot of mincing about before at FTA is agreed.

Both put the ball in our side of the court.

AtW
7th May 2017, 15:40
Out of interest, why would you be happy with either? Does a hard Brexit make sense economically for the UK overall?

He would be happy because he is an ekonomically illiterate monkey...

SueEllen
7th May 2017, 20:03
Out of interest, why would you be happy with either? Does a hard Brexit make sense economically for the UK overall?

He's scared of people who have a darker skin colour than him or who follow a different religion, and he thinks Brexit will stop them coming. Unfortunately Brexit will bring more more darker skinned immigrants with a different religion to the UK to compete with him.

VectraMan
8th May 2017, 09:35
Transitionary EEA would save a lot of mincing about before a FTA is agreed.

Hard brexit to WTO would save a lot of mincing about before at FTA is agreed.

Both put the ball in our side of the court.

Simply staying in the EU would save all the mincing about.

The_Equalizer
8th May 2017, 09:44
Simply staying in the EU would save all the mincing about.

So would have not joining in the first place. :wink

MarillionFan
12th May 2017, 17:24
Russian and Mandarin after the 13th May.

#Baba Vanga


Told you.:eek:

Mordac
12th May 2017, 18:04
That was definitely the case when I worked in Switzerland. Germans refused to speak French, the French refused to speak German and no-one was prepared to learn Dutch.

Including the Dutch, ironically. When I was at school with a Dutch lad (mid 80's so this is not exactly current) the English teacher managed to prove that the Dutch kid was better educated in English grammar (thanks to the high level of English taught in the Netherlands) than we were. :eek
His family didn't even bother speaking Dutch at home.

VectraMan
12th May 2017, 18:46
Including the Dutch, ironically. When I was at school with a Dutch lad (mid 80's so this is not exactly current) the English teacher managed to prove that the Dutch kid was better educated in English grammar (thanks to the high level of English taught in the Netherlands) than we were. :eek
His family didn't even bother speaking Dutch at home.

I knew a lady who worked in my local pub ( sadly not "knew" in any interesting sense). One day she told me she was Dutch. I had no idea.

People always think Germans all speak English, but in my experience although they mostly speak some they're a long way the Dutch or the Danes or the Swedes who can almost pass for native speakers. I've been looking at jobs in Germany and the vast majority say "sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse" which I can't really claim. It seems one of the many things the British share with the Germans is not being very good at languages.

BrilloPad
13th May 2017, 20:03
Was he referring to Eurovision?

BlasterBates
14th May 2017, 11:29
I knew a lady who worked in my local pub ( sadly not "knew" in any interesting sense). One day she told me she was Dutch. I had no idea.

People always think Germans all speak English, but in my experience although they mostly speak some they're a long way the Dutch or the Danes or the Swedes who can almost pass for native speakers. I've been looking at jobs in Germany and the vast majority say "sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse" which I can't really claim. It seems one of the many things the British share with the Germans is not being very good at languages.

Dutch and also I think some of the Nordic languages are closer to English than German. When you live in Germany as your German improves you will graduate to sounding like a "Dutchman", eventually if you work it hard enough you can sound a bit like a German from the Frisian Islands.

darmstadt
14th May 2017, 14:57
Dutch and also I think some of the Nordic languages are closer to English than German. When you live in Germany as your German improves you will graduate to sounding like a "Dutchman", eventually if you work it hard enough you can sound a bit like a German from the Frisian Islands.

Quite a few Germans think I'm from the north of Germany and I've had to convince some, more than once, that I don't come from Hamburg, even though I look like a drug dealing pimp...

Eirikur
14th May 2017, 18:50
Dutch and also I think some of the Nordic languages are closer to English than German. When you live in Germany as your German improves you will graduate to sounding like a "Dutchman", eventually if you work it hard enough you can sound a bit like a German from the Frisian Islands.

Dutch is much closer to German than it is to English. English is a Germanic language just like German Dutch, Nirwegian, Icelandic and Swedish, probably closest to amix of North German, Danish and Frysian

SueEllen
14th May 2017, 18:53
Dutch is much closer to German than it is to English. English is a Germanic language just like German Dutch, Nirwegian, Icelandic and Swedish, probably closest to amix of North German, Danish and Frysian

Ahhh but which language was there first...

VectraMan
14th May 2017, 19:28
Ahhh but which language was there first...

Brexiteers no doubt earnestly believe English was the first language and all others are inferior copies.

Old English was Germanic. It'd probably make more sense to a modern Dutch or German speaker than a modern English speaker. Then the French invaded. I know linguists still call English Germanic but with so many French words it's really a bastardisation of the two.

I find it really interesting : having learned French and German you can see which features of our language come from which. Like using s for plurals (french) and also using s for possession (german genetive). No wonder people get confused.

darmstadt
15th May 2017, 05:46
“The English language was carefully, carefully cobbled together by three blind dudes and a German dictionary," Dave Kellett

tomtomagain
15th May 2017, 09:16
English will continue to become more important.

It has a critical mass that far outweighs other European languages.

1.5B people speak English and 67 countries have English as their primary "official" language, 27 countries have it as the secondary "official" language.

English is the international language of business.

It has a strong network effect. Network effects are exceptionally hard to overcome.

If you were a German parent would you want your child to learn English or French? If you were a French parent would you want them to learn English or German? The numbers speak for themselves. They learn English. They might learn another, but English is in there.


My son is 9. He is learning Spanish at school. The problem is he is not exposed to any Spanish on a daily basis ( apart from the occasional holiday ). There are no Spanish YouTubers, Movies, Songs or most importantly games ( of course there are, but none of them actually break out of Spain ). So he doesn't get to practice it. He enjoys it, but is simply not getting enough exposure to the language to mean that he will really learn it.

My nephew is 12, an Austrian who lives in Vienna, his English is excellent. For him English is the language of the internet, it's spoken by the Youtubers he likes to watch, the language of the films he likes to watch and the games he likes to play. English is the language of pop music and popular culture. So for him, there is every reason to learn it AND he is constently exposed to English.

People are very quick to try and portray the lack of language skills in the UK as some sort of failing of either the English themselves or the education system. Whereas it is primarily caused by the success of the English language.

Junckers quip about the English language was simply that. It is way beyond the power of any institution to stop the spread of the English language.

Hobosapien
15th May 2017, 10:56
Juncker iz talkin bolX. eng lngwij iz hEr 2 stA m8.



(The above is courtesy of an English to txt speak translator. I don't have those skills so had to outsource it. :laugh )

vetran
15th May 2017, 11:24
I have to make sad unfounded attacks on Brexiters because I am sad


FTFY

Brexit isn't about nostalgia. It's about ambition. Trust me, I'm a historian (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/06/21/brexit-isnt-about-nostalgia-its-about-ambition-trust-me-im-a-his/)


My point is that I – as a historian – don’t really want people to vote on the basis of some grand narrative or entirely false choice between sovereignty vs racial harmony, which has been invented only in the heat of this campaign. I’d rather they cleared their minds of all that junk. Get back to the basics. What does the EU offer? Does it deliver?

Remainers say we should give up some of our democratic accountability in exchange for access to the single market and, they claim, greater economic stability. Leavers say the deal is a bad one. We lose too much democracy in exchange for access to a declining market and a political union that is fraught with risk.

Let’s not talk about the past but the future: the EU is planning to create a unitary state. Its leaders have said as much – higher taxes, an army, greater authority for the bank are all on the table. The EU has decided that only faster integration will see it through the present crisis. They might be correct: what the EU wants to be it can only be if it is effectively one country. But that is not in Britain’s national interest, something we’ve signalled by remaining outside the Eurozone.