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Bheleu
15th May 2017, 17:08
Having heard all about the new Tory spin about increased works rights, I wonder how that is going to effect IR35 :rolleyes:

AtW
15th May 2017, 17:12
Their plan is to basically tax everybody as if they were employed and in exchange give those "rights" the cost of which will be taken by the businesses, say thanks to the pro-business Tory Govt ...

WordIsBond
15th May 2017, 17:39
Having heard all about the new Tory spin about increased works rights, I wonder how that is going to effect IR35 :rolleyes:
Probably no direct effect. But it does demonstrate very clearly that those controlling the Tories are almost as clueless about how business and economics work as the Lib Dums. (No one could be as stupid as the SNP and Labour.) And that can't be good news for IR35 or anything else for anyone running a business.

AtW
15th May 2017, 18:51
Probably no direct effect. But it does demonstrate very clearly that those controlling the Tories are almost as clueless about how business and economics work as the Lib Dums. (No one could be as stupid as the SNP and Labour.) And that can't be good news for IR35 or anything else for anyone running a business.

People who control Tories have got massive inherited wealth - they are beyond taxation so long as Tory (or Labour) tax heavily those below them - middle classes, small time businessmen to buy votes from the working class (which gets taxed heavily in a stealthy way)

SueEllen
15th May 2017, 19:18
Shouldn't this discussion be in General?

Anyway the workers rights are a con. The only people who can afford to have a year of work unpaid have inherited wealth, are small business people or freelancers. The working man is too poor. Also the scenario isn't right for those who are caring for parents with dementia or other illnesses of old age that are long term.

jamesbrown
15th May 2017, 19:25
Having heard all about the new Tory spin about increased works rights, I wonder how that is going to effect IR35 :rolleyes:

It's definitely part of the picture. In order to spin an increase in taxation for the self-employed, it's clear that they first need to spin the quid pro quo of worker rights and benefits. I will eat my metaphorical hat if there isn't a statutory definition of self-employment within the next year or two (based largely on D&C if Taylor is to be believed), and a requirement for clients to police that judgement for all workers, including those that operate through intermediaries (i.e. not exactly a rollout of the IR35 PS rules, but the same principle). They may also shift the balance to require employment as the default status, to be proven otherwise. I don't think May gives a flying feck about the economic impacts. The Tory Manifesto is unlikely to be too specific (they don't want to lose the votes), but the hook will be a promise to implement Taylor.

malvolio
16th May 2017, 09:19
Truly nothing new under the sun. Read this (https://www.freelancesupermarket.com/featured-articles/ir35---so-let%E2%80%99s-use-control-to-our-advantage--/print.aspx), from 2009... :tongue

jamesbrown
16th May 2017, 09:30
Truly nothing new under the sun. Read this (https://www.freelancesupermarket.com/featured-articles/ir35---so-let%E2%80%99s-use-control-to-our-advantage--/print.aspx), from 2009... :tongue

Aye, there are few truly original thoughts anymore, especially w/r to IR35.