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Army fury as chief in Afghanistan is told he won't get vital armour

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    Army fury as chief in Afghanistan is told he won't get vital armour

    Army fury as chief in Afghanistan is told he won't get vital armour

    The senior Army officer who will command British troops in Afghanistan next year is embroiled in a furious row with the Ministry of Defence after learning he will be denied vital armour to protect his men.

    Brigadier John Lorimer, who will take charge of more than 5,000 troops in the spring, issued a 'shopping list' of requirements after a week-long recce in volatile Helmand province, the stronghold of Taliban fighters.

    The tough and experienced Parachute Regiment officer asked for up to 12 Challenger 2 tanks, 14 Warrior armoured vehicles and four AS90 artillery guns - plus an extra 600-strong battalion of troops. (AtW's comment: ffs, just a dozen of tanks and whopping 4 (four) arty pieces - he should have 10 times more in reserve immediately available to him at any time)

    But he has been told by senior MoD officials that his requests will be denied.

    A source close to 43-year-old Brigadier Lorimer, who commands 12 Mechanised Brigade, said: "He has been told that there is little likelihood of him getting his tanks. He is extremely unhappy about this. He is disappointed and frustrated."

    The MoD snub comes just six weeks after Tony Blair promised on TV: "If the commanders on the ground want more equipment, armoured vehicles for example, more helicopters, that will be provided. Whatever package they want, we will do."

    A senior Army source told The Mail on Sunday last night: "The denial of John Lorimer's operational requirements shows how empty Blair's words were.

    "The Taliban are certain to launch a major offensive in Helmand next spring and the Brigadier wanted the extra armour to protect his men. No chance, as his requests were rejected in their entirety.

    "Officers in 12 Mech Brigade see this as as a dereliction of duty by Defence Ministers. Lorimer still hasn't been given an explanation. One can only assume it's to do with lack of availability, equipment shortages and cost-saving."

    Last night Shadow Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox said: "This insult to the man taking over as commander of our troops in Afghanistan proves that no one, including those on the front line, can take seriously a word that Tony Blair says.

    "He is not trusted by anyone and he should go now. He promises everything and gives nothing. His words are not worth the breath he uses to say them."

    The row is yet another example of Labour's volatile relationship with Armed Forces top brass. Last month Mr Blair was left reeling after General Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, said British troops should come home from Iraq within two years and warned that the Army could 'break' if British soldiers were kept there too long.

    Brigadier Lorimer came to prominence as the commander of British troops in Basra in September last year, when he ordered 40 SAS men to storm an Iraqi police station where two undercover Special Boat Service (SBS) troopers were being held captive by armed militia.

    British Warriors bulldozed their way in to rescue the SBS pair. Three soldiers had to jump clear from a Warrior with their clothes on fire after being petrol-bombed by insurgents.

    The deployment of 12 Mechanised Brigade in Afghanistan will last six months. The lead infantry element will be the 1st Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment, backed by troops from 19 Field Regiment Royal Artillery, 26 Engineer Regiment, two squadrons of Light Dragoons and men from the 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards.

    Yesterday the MoD took the unusual step of issuing a statement on behalf of Brigadier Lorimer. It said: "Suggestions that I am angry or frustrated are simply not true. I have conducted my reconnaissance and made recommendations. I am perfectly happy that those are being considered in the normal way and I am closely involved in that process."

    An MoD spokesman said: "No decisions about the force package for Afghanistan in 2007 have been taken and no requests have been turned down."

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    In other news smiling Brown pledged £100 mln on Iraq reconstruction while visiting UK troops in Basra - the same troops who have won council tax reprieve and some small cash tax free, total sum of which can't be more than £20 mln pa.

    I mean FFS, why is there even a question of needing to ask for 12 (!) tanks and then get negative answer?!?!?! Heck, 12 tanks (more actually) is what Soviet Army used to defend single transport column in Afganistan.

    #2
    Are these morons trying to out do the defence cuts of the 70's and early 80's or what?

    Mailman

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      #3
      In other news smiling Brown pledged £100 mln on Iraq reconstruction while visiting UK troops in Basra - the same troops who have won council tax reprieve and some small cash tax free, total sum of which can't be more than £20 mln pa.
      And even then I see Gordo didnt actually make pay while on active duty actually tax free but instead has implemented a scheme along the lines of tax credits where soldiers get reimbursed certain amounts which supposedly add up to tax free payments!

      No wonder you guys dont rule the world any more...too much farken paper work!

      Mailman

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        #4
        Originally posted by AtW
        (AtW's comment: ffs, just a dozen of tanks and whopping 4 (four) arty pieces - he should have 10 times more in reserve immediately available to him at any time)
        Have you ever seen how much damage a AS90 can deal out? 4 of them can reduce a large area to rubble fairly quickly. I wouldnt also want to get on the wrong side fo 12 tanks....think getting pounded with APFSDS rounds from a couple of k and you'll get the idea.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Sockpuppet
          Have you ever seen how much damage a AS90 can deal out? 4 of them can reduce a large area to rubble fairly quickly.
          Yes those descendands of Elephant are pretty powerful, however 4 of them is a small number regardless of their power (well, not unless they are Death Star like or something).

          It is always have more firepower on stand by rather than less - particularly arty pieces because they are not exactly designed to shoot out 1 mln shots without maintenance, and if there is a hot battle then they will have to shoot a lot, better have more units so that less wear applied to each of them individually.

          The main point is that he could not have asked for less - it would be zero, so seeing this rejection of required small resources is really ridiculous.

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            #6
            I believe the argument advocating British troops remaining in Afghanistan a highly rational one.

            BUT

            If HM Gov't is not prepared to supply our troops with the minimum tools they require, there should be no argument at all. Bring them all home.

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              #7
              I guess it was a different Tony Blair that said this then...

              Blair promises 'more for troops'

              British forces in Afghanistan will be provided with whatever resources they need, the prime minister has said.

              Addressing military personnel on the fifth anniversary of operations in the country, Tony Blair pledged "every support and every protection".

              He said this included providing more armoured vehicles and more helicopters.

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                #8
                This kind of stuff makes my blood boil
                The sooner this bunch of incompetent buffoons are kicked out of office the better. I hope that Scotland Yard task force finds some evidence that implicates Blair.
                Hard Brexit now!
                #prayfornodeal

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sockpuppet
                  think getting pounded with APFSDS rounds from a couple of k and you'll get the idea.
                  You probably should have mentioned HE instead of APFSDS

                  Mailman

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                    #10
                    All they need to do is to attach bayonets and charge. Either the enemy flees in terror or the grunts get massacred. Give the squaddies big guns and they just kill lots of innocent people.

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