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scooterscot
26th May 2017, 15:16
Oh dear...

Looks like Mayhem's threat of the yon double lock on indy 2 has backfired. You'd huv thunk she'd learnt something already from what happens when you threaten people.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/support-independence-rises-referendum-speculation-grows



As the UK government prepares to begin formal negotiations to leave the European Union and the SNP prepares for its forthcoming spring conference, our new poll for STV News shows voters split down the middle in their constitutional preference.

Among those who expressed a voting preference and who would be very likely or certain to vote in an immediate referendum, 50% (+2pts) said they would support independence with the other 50% of voters (-2pts) saying they would back Scotland remaining in the UK.

We also asked voters to tell us the extent to which they supported independence or the UK by placing themselves on a scale of 1-10, where 1 was complete support for independence and 10 for the union. Interestingly, 15% of voters place themselves as between 4 and 7 on this scale, meaning that they are those most likely to be persuaded to change their minds in any forthcoming campaign.

Elsewhere almost half (48%) of voters said that, in the event of Scotland becoming independent, it should be a full member of the EU, while 27% favour an independent Scotland having full single market access outside formal membership and 17% thinking that an independent Scotland should be out of the EU altogether.


source: Blow to Unionists as 51% of Scots back independence in new poll (From The National) (http://www.thenational.scot/news/15256772.Blow_to_Unionists_as_51__of_Scots_back_in dependence_in_new_poll/)

northernladyuk
26th May 2017, 15:22
Oh dear...

Looks like Mayhem's threat of the yon double lock on indy 2 has backfired. You'd huv thunk she'd learnt something already from what happens when you threaten people.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/support-independence-rises-referendum-speculation-grows




source: Blow to Unionists as 51% of Scots back independence in new poll (From The National) (http://www.thenational.scot/news/15256772.Blow_to_Unionists_as_51__of_Scots_back_in dependence_in_new_poll/)

While I have every sympathy for Scotland wanting to head for the lifeboats, can any pro-independence Scots explain how they will deal with the impact of a hard border with England?

vetran
26th May 2017, 15:33
More importantly how are they going to afford Bucky & Mars bars once the English stops rolling in?

Iron Bru & scotch is ok, but how do you deep fry a Tunnocks teacake?

vetran
26th May 2017, 15:34
While I have every sympathy for Scotland wanting to head for the lifeboats, can any pro-independence Scots explain how they will deal with the impact of a hard border with England?

they will use Glaswegians cus they is well hard.

northernladyuk
26th May 2017, 15:38
More importantly how are they going to afford Bucky & Mars bars once the English stops rolling in?

Iron Bru & scotch is ok, but how do you deep fry a Tunnocks teacake?

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_aaU3gW8AAB7rT.jpg

northernladyuk
26th May 2017, 15:39
they will use Glaswegians cus they is well hard.

That was the UK Brexit plan! Gonna get messy.

vetran
26th May 2017, 15:40
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_aaU3gW8AAB7rT.jpg

Awesome must get Kev the chip on board.

scooterscot
26th May 2017, 15:43
they will use Glaswegians cus they is well hard.

But is it fair? 1 Weegie versus 10 soft southerners? :D

scooterscot
26th May 2017, 15:44
While I have every sympathy for Scotland wanting to head for the lifeboats, can any pro-independence Scots explain how they will deal with the impact of a hard border with England?

Scotland doesn't build walls...

grabri
26th May 2017, 15:46
I really do think Brexit has changed opinion on IndyRef - I voted Yes last time around but struggled to justify the separationist argument while condemning Brexit. Now that Brexit is upon us, if we could guaranteed some kind of continued EU membership then I think it would be worth re-consideration...

scooterscot
26th May 2017, 15:54
I really do think Brexit has changed opinion on IndyRef - I voted Yes last time around but struggled to justify the separationist argument while condemning Brexit. Now that Brexit is upon us, if we could guaranteed some kind of continued EU membership then I think it would be worth re-consideration...

Brexit shocked a number of people on the continent. Now it's yeah well it happened, move on nothing to see here. I feel there'd be more interest towards Scotland remaining part of the EU than facilitating Brexit. But I'd rather Scotland remained under its own merit not the result of a squabbling divorce.

northernladyuk
26th May 2017, 15:56
Scotland doesn't build walls...

That won't be much help to the hard border problem.

MrMarkyMark
26th May 2017, 15:58
Second, an independent Scotland would face hard choices. The deficit per head in Scotland was £2,824 last year, according to the ONS data. To reduce that figure as a standalone nation, taxes would have to rise or spending would have to fall, other factors being equal. That makes the currency question – one of the central debates in the 2014 referendum – critical.

Back then, the Scottish National party said a post-independence Scotland would continue to use the pound sterling. The economic logic looked weak at the time, and remains so: Scotland would be embracing a currency union that could damage its own competitiveness at the moment of separation and make balancing the budget harder, especially if the oil price was low.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2017/may/23/london-uk-scotland-ons-brexit-scottish-independence

scooterscot
26th May 2017, 16:18
That's been done to death. The country is too big in the public sector. Small country it is small it should be.

northernladyuk
26th May 2017, 16:27
That's been done to death. The country is too big in the public sector. Small country it is small it should be.

You can redeploy surplus staff as customs officers.

grabri
26th May 2017, 16:34
You can redeploy surplus staff as customs officers.

maybe there will be bulk training discounts on offer if we team up with the Northern Irish...

chopper
26th May 2017, 20:58
That's been done to death. The country is too big in the public sector. Small country it is small it should be.
So all those Scots who work in the public sector - those jobs get repatriated back to England. The SNP's public sector in Scotland is smaller. That's a lot of Scots out of work.

chopper
26th May 2017, 21:01
Scotland doesn't build walls...
Maybe not, but the European Union does.

If the UK leaves the EU, and Scotland leaves the UK. That's OK so far.
But as soon as Scotland joins the EU, then suddenly Scotland's trade with the UK is per EU rules. (And the FT would have us believe that the EU wont trade with us freely unless we cough up £100bn).

But don't worry, you are in good company here. Donald Trump also struggles with the concept that EU members negotiate trade deals as one, so Scotland wouldn't be free to have a bespoke Scotland to UK trade deal.

JozefBlofeld
27th May 2017, 10:02
While I have every sympathy for Scotland wanting to head for the lifeboats, can any pro-independence Scots explain how they will deal with the impact of a hard border with England?

There will be no hard border between Scotland and England.

One of the EU's red lines in Brexit orders to the UK, is that there will be no hard border between Eire and Northern Ireland. Scotland/England will follow suit.

northernladyuk
27th May 2017, 17:47
There will be no hard border between Scotland and England.

One of the EU's red lines in Brexit orders to the UK, is that there will be no hard border between Eire and Northern Ireland. Scotland/England will follow suit.

No It isn't.

scooterscot
27th May 2017, 20:09
Maybe not, but the European Union does.

If the UK leaves the EU, and Scotland leaves the UK. That's OK so far.
But as soon as Scotland joins the EU, then suddenly Scotland's trade with the UK is per EU rules. (And the FT would have us believe that the EU wont trade with us freely unless we cough up £100bn)..

Everyone and their granny knows the UK will cave in to EU demands for a sweet trade deal.

scooterscot
27th May 2017, 20:09
So all those Scots who work in the public sector - those jobs get repatriated back to England. The SNP's public sector in Scotland is smaller. That's a lot of Scots out of work.

What makes you think they're Scottish?

grabri
28th May 2017, 00:30
No It isn't.

OK maybe not a red line but a stated intention/wish....

Brexit: EU backs Dublin on open Northern Ireland border - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39068545)