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AtW
28th May 2017, 16:18
Europe can no longer "completely depend" on the US and UK following the election of President Trump and Brexit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

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Mrs Merkel said she wanted friendly relations with both countries as well as Russia but Europe now had to "fight for its own destiny".

It follows the G7's failure to commit to the 2015 Paris climate deal, talks Mrs Merkel said were "very difficult".

President Trump has said he will make a decision in the coming week.

"The times in which we could completely depend on others are on the way out. I've experienced that in the last few days," Mrs Merkel told a crowd at an election rally in Munich, southern Germany.

The BBC's Damien McGuinness, in Berlin, says the comments are a sign of growing assertiveness within the EU.

The relationship between Berlin and new French President Emmanuel Macron had to be a priority, Mrs Merkel said.

Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40078183)

BrilloPad
28th May 2017, 17:11
When has Germany ever completely depended on US or UK?

A great slur on the German people.

Most of Southern Europe completely depends on the Germans though....

darmstadt
28th May 2017, 17:51
When has Germany ever completely depended on US or UK?

A great slur on the German people.

Most of Southern Europe completely depends on the Germans though....

I think you've got the jist of it wrong. The UK and US were seen as 'strong and stable' that the rest of the world could look up to, sadly they're now seen as 'crazy as ****' and no-one wants to go near them with a barge pole. HTH.

AtW
28th May 2017, 18:02
Looks like Bundeswehr will have to become the backbone of the new European Army...

Whoever serves in it 5 years will gain valueable German citizenship, you've heard it on here first!

BlasterBates
28th May 2017, 18:06
PETER HITCHENS: Put away your pointless troops, PM | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4548964/PETER-HITCHENS-away-pointless-troops-PM.html)


Theresa May should get herself a stick-on pencil moustache, some very dark glasses and a white military uniform with lots of medals and a set of fancy epaulettes. If she’s going to behave like a Third World leader, she ought to look like one.

Troops on the streets, indeed. What a futile non-answer to the problem of terrorist murder this is, and what a complete departure from centuries of British liberty.

In all my travels, often to less fortunate parts of the world, troops posted on the streets have been an invariable sign of a society on the skids, and a government that prefers force to thought.



:D

scooterscot
28th May 2017, 18:19
But Europe is not the EU! Scream the jingoistic Brexiters. Still they do to realise for most Europeans the EU is Europe.

woohoo
28th May 2017, 19:46
Just what we want an assertive Germany, dominant in Europe. Talk of an EU army.

scooterscot
28th May 2017, 19:54
When has Germany ever completely depended on US or UK?....

What are you driving?

darmstadt
28th May 2017, 19:56
Just what we want an assertive Germany, dominant in Europe. Talk of an EU army.

Well seeing as a lot of people here like right wing post truth conspiracy websites:

Germany Is Quietly Building a European Army Under Its Command | Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/)

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201705241053934836-bundswehr-secretly-building-army/

France and Germany prepare creation of EU army post Brexit | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4519218/France-Germany-prepare-creation-EU-army-post-Brexit.html)

EU Army: Germany Leads new Air Force with France, Defence Initiatives with Four EU Member States (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/15/eu-army-germany-joint-air-force-france-submarines-norway/)

Bee
28th May 2017, 19:59
But Europe is not the EU! Scream the jingoistic Brexiters. Still they do to realise for most Europeans the EU is Europe.

If I understood correctly you think that the Europeans are ignorants.:eyes

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Europe-Asia_border_%28geographic%29.png/350px-Europe-Asia_border_%28geographic%29.png

original PM
28th May 2017, 21:01
Well seeing as a lot of people here like right wing post truth conspiracy websites:

Germany Is Quietly Building a European Army Under Its Command | Foreign Policy (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/)

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201705241053934836-bundswehr-secretly-building-army/

France and Germany prepare creation of EU army post Brexit | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4519218/France-Germany-prepare-creation-EU-army-post-Brexit.html)

EU Army: Germany Leads new Air Force with France, Defence Initiatives with Four EU Member States (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/15/eu-army-germany-joint-air-force-france-submarines-norway/)

Of course they are.

Ever played civ?

They have tried for 2 domination victories and failed.

Tried a go at the political victory and were close.

Not good enough for culture or science.

So back to domination.

In civ 5 germanies unique trait was that when fighting barbarians when you won you a had 33% chance of rather than killing them they just become one of your units.....

sasguru
28th May 2017, 21:25
Of course they are.

Ever played civ?

They have tried for 2 domination victories and failed.

Tried a go at the political victory and were close.

Not good enough for culture or science.

So back to domination.

In civ 5 germanies unique trait was that when fighting barbarians when you won you a had 33% chance of rather than killing them they just become one of your units.....

Feck me, and they let you vote :rolleyes:

original PM
28th May 2017, 21:26
Feck me, and they let you vote :rolleyes:

When germany tried their last domination victory who stood with the european countries who were fighting it?

vetran
28th May 2017, 21:28
Feck me, and they let you vote :rolleyes:

You are just jealous because they won't let the simple minded like you vote.

northernladyuk
28th May 2017, 21:57
Feck me, and they let you vote :rolleyes:

'ooman rights innit?

northernladyuk
28th May 2017, 21:58
When germany tried their last domination victory who stood with the european countries who were fighting it?

USA? Australia? New Zealand? South Africa? Abyssinia?

Edit: mustn't forget Canada.

darmstadt
28th May 2017, 22:07
Of course they are.

Ever played civ?

They have tried for 2 domination victories and failed.

Tried a go at the political victory and were close.

Not good enough for culture or science.

So back to domination.

In civ 5 germanies unique trait was that when fighting barbarians when you won you a had 33% chance of rather than killing them they just become one of your units.....

This thread is now degenerating into ****wittery :ohwell Civ 5 my fat hairy old arse, **** me...

sasguru
28th May 2017, 22:09
You are just jealous because they won't let the simple minded like you vote.

So what do you think about the fact that our 2% trend growth rate has been halved and that's before Brexit?
And that's in the context of an upturn in the global economy as a whole.

AtW
28th May 2017, 22:22
Just what we want an assertive Germany, dominant in Europe. Talk of an EU army.

So, just after hundreds of years of very successful UK policy of never allowing Germany or France to dominate Europe, two World Wars, many other wars, this is all forsaken to get Brexit in vain hope that it will reduce number of immigrants? :eyes

sasguru
28th May 2017, 22:30
So, just after hundreds of years of very successful UK policy of never allowing Germany or France to dominate Europe, two World Wars, many other wars, this is all forsaken to get Brexit in vain hope that it will reduce number of immigrants? :eyes

Funny that it takes an immigrant to point out that Brexit makes the sacrifice of the millions killed in the first and second world wars irrelevant.:rolleyes:
Yes, British policy was always to have a stake in Europe and influence it.
Now we've given up. Who are the real traitors and saboteurs?

BlasterBates
28th May 2017, 23:04
So, just after hundreds of years of very successful UK policy of never allowing Germany or France to dominate Europe, two World Wars, many other wars, this is all forsaken to get Brexit in vain hope that it will reduce number of immigrants? :eyes

Absolutely, Mathew Parris describes it as Britain for the last 1000 years getting everything more or less right until Brexit.

What a blooming disaster.


:D

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 08:01
Funny that it takes an immigrant to point out that Brexit makes the sacrifice of the millions killed in the first and second world wars irrelevant.:rolleyes:
Yes, British policy was always to have a stake in Europe and influence it.
Now we've given up. Who are the real traitors and saboteurs?

Whomever the Daily Mail decides to be the traitors and saboteurs (and Enemies of the People).

original PM
29th May 2017, 08:24
Funny that it takes an immigrant to point out that Brexit makes the sacrifice of the millions killed in the first and second world wars irrelevant.:rolleyes:
Yes, British policy was always to have a stake in Europe and influence it.
Now we've given up. Who are the real traitors and saboteurs?

So does allowing ourselves to be ruled by a central european government.

We will still influence europe.

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 08:27
So does allowing ourselves to be ruled by a central european government.


That is a paranoid fantasy.

original PM
29th May 2017, 09:10
That is a paranoid fantasy.

Just open your eyes son.

darmstadt
29th May 2017, 09:11
We will still influence europe.

Please tell everyone how?

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 09:15
Just open your eyes son.

Why don't you open them for me. Explain how there is a central European government that rules over the UK, if it is already in place, or alternatively how it would come about if it is not yet in place.

darmstadt
29th May 2017, 09:22
Why don't you open them for me. Explain how there is a central European government that rules over the UK, if it is already in place, or alternatively how it would come about if it is not yet in place.

The problem with Brexiters is that, like some Muslims, they've been indoctrinated into fanaticism so regardless of the facts or the truth, they're right...and the strange thing is they're the first to have a go at fanatics....

sasguru
29th May 2017, 09:31
Why don't you open them for me. Explain how there is a central European government that rules over the UK, if it is already in place, or alternatively how it would come about if it is not yet in place.

You're talking to the cretin who believes Britain invented the internet. :laugh:laugh:laugh
Even for a poly boy he's stupid.

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 09:34
You're talking to the cretin who believes Britain invented the internet. :laugh:laugh:laugh
Even for a poly boy he's stupid.

It's just a bit of fun. The other day he insistently provided a list of supposedly real women, who aren't his mum, that he has had an actual conversation with.

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 09:38
The problem with Brexiters is that, like some Muslims, they've been indoctrinated into fanaticism so regardless of the facts or the truth, they're right...and the strange thing is they're the first to have a go at fanatics....

Be fair. That is only the problem with some Brexiters. We must recognise that there are also moderate Brexiteers. From the yougov poll, I would say the split is about 50/50, in that half of Brexiteers seem to want extreme Sharia style punishments in society.

Half of Leave voters want to bring back the death penalty after Brexit | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-leave-voters-death-penalty-yougov-results-light-bulbs-a7656791.html)

Some like jamesbrown and equalizer seem very reasonable, even though I would disagree with them.

NotAllThere
29th May 2017, 10:04
It's just a bit of fun. The other day he insistently provided a list of supposedly real women, who aren't his mum, that he has had an actual conversation with.Does that mean we have to change the meme to original PM's mum.

shaunbhoy
29th May 2017, 10:06
Funny that it takes an immigrant to point out that Brexit makes the sacrifice of the millions killed in the first and second world wars irrelevant.:rolleyes:


Why not get a room with him you sycophantic twat?

Your consistent drooling over the fact that his whole SKA thing seems to have been financially successful just highlights what a wannabe tycoon you are.

One sniff of a bit of money and you are fawning around and feverishly tugging your greasy forelock, like the grovelling, insecure, attention-seeker that the bulk of your tedious posts show you to be.


:laugh :laugh

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 10:09
Why not get a room with him you sycophantic twat?

Your consistent drooling over the fact that his whole SKA thing seems to have been financially successful just highlights what a wannabe tycoon you are.

One sniff of a bit of money and you are fawning around and feverishly tugging your greasy forelock, like the grovelling, insecure, attention-seeker that the bulk of your tedious posts show you to be.


:laugh :laugh

Someone got his giro through this morning.

shaunbhoy
29th May 2017, 10:11
Someone got his giro through this morning.

On a Bank Holiday?
:wink

vetran
29th May 2017, 10:18
On a Bank Holiday?
:wink

its the meths it always addles her brain..

It was a special night last apparently her 1 millionth customer (this year).

original PM
29th May 2017, 10:25
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/revealed-jean-claude-junckers-monster-plotting-punish-britain/


You carry on believe the platitudes that come out of their mouths.

And then look at the power behind the throne.....

darmstadt
29th May 2017, 10:56
Revealed: How Jean-Claude Juncker's 'monster' is plotting to punish Britain for Brexit (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/revealed-jean-claude-junckers-monster-plotting-punish-britain/)


You carry on believe the platitudes that come out of their mouths.

And then look at the power behind the throne.....

Who's the power behind the right wing eurosceptic Daily Telegraph?

original PM
29th May 2017, 11:06
Who's the power behind the right wing eurosceptic Daily Telegraph?

Probably not the son of a convicted war criminal with fevered dreams of ruling a union of european states.

Who is it by the way?

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 12:18
On a Bank Holiday?
:wink

Takes you that long to remember your PIN.

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 15:04
Who's the power behind the right wing eurosceptic Daily Telegraph?

The mysterious Barclay Bothers.

darmstadt
29th May 2017, 15:08
The mysterious Barclay Bothers.

That's the ones...

Margaret Thatcher dead: She spent final weeks in Ritz with devoted friends at her side but not her own children - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-spent-final-1821676)

Barclay Brothers news « Guernsey Press (http://guernseypress.com/tag/barclay-brothers/)

And apparently something funny about offshore tax too but that's the norm for the right wing Britain loving media

AtW
29th May 2017, 15:32
The mysterious Barclay Bothers.

It will be really funny when EU puts their offshore where they live onto the EU black list - only UK membership in EU could block it :laugh

BrilloPad
29th May 2017, 16:09
The mysterious Barclay Bothers.

Is it only bond villains who live on private islands?

darmstadt
29th May 2017, 17:23
Is it only bond villains who live on private islands?

And right wing tax avoiding media moguls, sometimes they also have farms which rely on EU subsidies or are non-domiciled...

northernladyuk
29th May 2017, 20:07
You're talking to the cretin who believes Britain invented the internet. :

He is thinking about his last game of Civ 5.