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AtW
1st July 2017, 21:53
"Six out of 10 Britons want to keep their European Union citizenship after Brexit – including the rights to live, work, study and travel in the EU – and many would be prepared to pay large sums to do so, according to research led by the London School of Economics.

Support for retaining the rights is particularly strong among 18- to 24-year-olds, 85% of whom want to retain their EU citizenship in addition to their British citizenship. Around 80% of people living in London also want to maintain the same rights.

The findings come as pressure on Theresa May mounts from UK business groups, led by the CBI and Remain politicians in both houses of parliament, as well as cultural figures from across Europe, to pull back from her plans for a “hard Brexit” in favour of a deal that maintains the strongest possible trade and other links with the EU after the UK leaves in 2019."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

EU should offer this option as paid monthly subscription - £100 per month, £50 for kids, ten times over those who voted for Brexit. Sorteed.

Mordac
1st July 2017, 22:07
"Six out of 10 Britons want to keep their European Union citizenship after Brexit – including the rights to live, work, study and travel in the EU – and many would be prepared to pay large sums to do so, according to research led by the London School of Economics.

Support for retaining the rights is particularly strong among 18- to 24-year-olds, 85% of whom want to retain their EU citizenship in addition to their British citizenship. Around 80% of people living in London also want to maintain the same rights.

The findings come as pressure on Theresa May mounts from UK business groups, led by the CBI and Remain politicians in both houses of parliament, as well as cultural figures from across Europe, to pull back from her plans for a “hard Brexit” in favour of a deal that maintains the strongest possible trade and other links with the EU after the UK leaves in 2019."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

EU should offer this option as paid monthly subscription - £100 per month, £50 for kids, ten times over those who voted for Brexit. Sorteed.

The LSE. Oh Dear, you do know that usually stands for the Lenin School of Economics...:eyes

AtW
1st July 2017, 22:13
Whe did you get your degree, Swindon University of Life?

:eyes

northernladyuk
1st July 2017, 23:18
Whe did you get your degree, Swindon University of Life?

:eyes

Poly.

OwlHoot
1st July 2017, 23:38
"Six out of 10 Britons want to keep their European Union citizenship after Brexit – including the rights to live, work, study and travel in the EU – and many would be prepared to pay large sums to do so, according to research led by the London School of Economics.

Support for retaining the rights is particularly strong among 18- to 24-year-olds, 85% of whom want to retain their EU citizenship in addition to their British citizenship. Around 80% of people living in London also want to maintain the same rights.

The findings come as pressure on Theresa May mounts from UK business groups, led by the CBI and Remain politicians in both houses of parliament, as well as cultural figures from across Europe, to pull back from her plans for a “hard Brexit” in favour of a deal that maintains the strongest possible trade and other links with the EU after the UK leaves in 2019."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

EU should offer this option as paid monthly subscription - £100 per month, £50 for kids, ten times over those who voted for Brexit. Sorteed.

I call utter bollox on this. Most British people don't give a flying feck about EU citizenship.

Maybe they did the survey from a random sample of people wearing designer suits and working in the City of London. :winker:

Mordac
2nd July 2017, 02:03
Whe did you get your degree, Swindon University of Life?

:eyes

When did I ever say I had a degree? Anyway, I'm not sure there is life in Swindon...:wink

Mordac
2nd July 2017, 02:09
Poly.

They all turned me down, and that was before they saw my A level results...:emb
In my defence, I went to a comp in the 80's, and if you weren't a raving lefty, the teachers either ignored you or tortured you. :eyes

SueEllen
2nd July 2017, 06:41
They all turned me down, and that was before they saw my A level results...:emb
In my defence, I went to a comp in the 80's, and if you weren't a raving lefty, the teachers either ignored you or tortured you. :eyes

That's cos you were a cretin or were disruptive.

Teachers paid attention to kids they thought would get into uni.

NotAllThere
2nd July 2017, 06:54
I call utter bollox on this. Most British people don't give a flying feck about EU citizenship.

Maybe they did the survey from a random sample of people wearing designer suits and working in the City of London. :winker: Cos I don't like it.FTFY. With a little effort, you could find the methodology of survey and attack it on an informed basis, but that would be rather against the grain for you. Much easier just to give out a brainfart :ohwell

BrilloPad
2nd July 2017, 07:42
That's cos you were a cretin or were disruptive.

Teachers paid attention to kids they thought would get into uni.

This is very true. Most teachers were amazed at my top grades.

OwlHoot
2nd July 2017, 08:05
... Anyway, I'm not sure there is life in Swindon...:wink

There is some - People frantically driving round and round trying to find their way out of the maze of a place!

SueEllen
2nd July 2017, 08:06
There is some - People frantically driving round and round trying to find their way out of the maze of a place!

Follow the signs to the M4 or train station and you will get out.

Mordac
2nd July 2017, 11:12
That's cos you were a cretin or were disruptive.

Teachers paid attention to kids they thought would get into uni.

It was the 1980's - when the teachers weren't on strike, almost every lesson had some sort of Marxist slant. History was all post-colonial and the evils of the Empire, our Economics teacher was a communist, and even English Lit was an endless stream of socialist drivel. So yes, you could say I was occasionally "disruptive" :wink

To be fair though, some of those same teachers felt it was wrong to grass us up for going down the pub at lunchtime, so they didn't. As long as we stayed in the other bar, they left us alone. :happy

vetran
2nd July 2017, 11:53
FTFY. With a little effort, you could find the methodology of survey and attack it on an informed basis, but that would be rather against the grain for you. Much easier just to give out a brainfart :ohwell

I think most people would like reasonable access to the EU, however its fairly clear most people didn't want the level of access that was on offer in the EU.

A good visa system and we will be fine.

Obviously that requires the EU to behave like adults. So yes we are fecked.

NotAllThere
2nd July 2017, 12:24
A good visa system and we will be fineThere's no particular reason why a visa system should be needed. But there is already a visa system in place - it's called a Schengen visa. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/how-to-apply-schengen-visa/

vetran
2nd July 2017, 12:29
There's no particular reason why a visa system should be needed. But there is already a visa system in place - it's called a Schengen visa. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/how-to-apply-schengen-visa/

Your definition of good is not quite the same as other peoples.


Unfortunately, there is no fixed answer to this particular question due to different time-frame policies of the embassies/consulates in different parts of the world. Nevertheless, it’s highly recommended to apply for a Schengen visa around six weeks prior to one’s departure, in order to make your trip as planned.
Read more at https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/how-to-apply-schengen-visa/#ll2uzapxzlGhhdLG.99

NotAllThere
2nd July 2017, 12:37
The Independent has more detail about the basis Britons want to retain EU citizenship rights after Brexit – POLITICO (http://www.politico.eu/article/britons-want-to-retain-eu-citizenship-rights-after-brexit/)


The survey shows a total of 68 per cent of Britons would pay potentially large sums of money to retain the rights enjoyed by EU citizens in addition to their British citizenship.

Among those who said they would pay, 58 per cent of them voted Leave in last year's EU referendum, The Independent has learned. Of those who voted Remain, almost four in five said they would pay to retain their rights..

The full study has yet to be published, so we'll have to wait until then to see whether the sample was fair.

NotAllThere
2nd July 2017, 12:45
Your definition of good is not quite the same as other peoples.I didn't say it was good. Jut pointing out that it's there. Personally, I think there will be a visa waiver system in place.


Unfortunately, there is no fixed answer to this particular question due to different time-frame policies of the embassies/consulates in different parts of the world. Nevertheless, it’s highly recommended to apply for a Schengen visa around six weeks prior to one’s departure, in order to make your trip as planned.Funny. You get the same advice when you're applying for your passport in the UK. Usually it's considerably quicker (last time I did it, it was less than 2 weeks). Typically, if all is in order, it doesn't take more than 2 weeks for a Schengen visa.

vetran
2nd July 2017, 12:56
I didn't say it was good. Jut pointing out that it's there. Personally, I think there will be a visa waiver system in place.

Funny. You get the same advice when you're applying for your passport in the UK. Usually it's considerably quicker (last time I did it, it was less than 2 weeks). Typically, if all is in order, it doesn't take more than 2 weeks for a Schengen visa.

I asked for GOOD visa system. Yes I expect a visa waiver system too modelled on the US one without the Trumpifications.

The passport is identifying you to your country frequently without significant supporting documents. The Visa is taking the assertion your country will vouch for you and granting you access based on that as its all computerised 24 hours should be enough.

NotAllThere
2nd July 2017, 15:32
I asked for GOOD visa system..Yes you did. And you've attempted to demonstrate that the Schengen visa system isn't good, by showing some text about six week wait times. Aside from that very weak evidence, what makes you think the Schengen visa system isn't a good one?

vetran
2nd July 2017, 15:34
I didn't say it was good. Jut pointing out that it's there. Personally, I think there will be a visa waiver system in place.



Yes you did. And you've attempted to demonstrate that the Schengen visa system isn't good, by showing some text about six week wait times. Aside from that very weak evidence, what makes you think the Schengen visa system isn't a good one?

hmmm

Whorty
2nd July 2017, 18:46
They all turned me down, and that was before they saw my A level results...:emb
In my defence, I went to a comp in the 80's, and if you weren't a raving lefty, the teachers either ignored you or tortured you. :eyes

Not true. i went to a comp in the 80s in a very (and I mean very) poor area of the Midlands. I came from a broken home, was brought up on a council estate, father out of work for a decade due to the unions killing the car industry in the midlands. Despite that I managed to go to Uni .... but then I'm quite smart and work hard :smokin

Whorty
2nd July 2017, 18:50
Anyway, I'm not sure there is life in Swindon...:wink

When I worked in big 4 consulting I was sent to many a dull, dreary, awful place ... of these, Swindon was easily the biggest pile of doodoo. Couldn't be happier every Friday to be getting on the train back to the big smoke.

Whorty
2nd July 2017, 18:51
It was the 1980's - when the teachers weren't on strike, almost every lesson had some sort of Marxist slant. History was all post-colonial and the evils of the Empire, our Economics teacher was a communist, and even English Lit was an endless stream of socialist drivel. So yes, you could say I was occasionally "disruptive" :wink

To be fair though, some of those same teachers felt it was wrong to grass us up for going down the pub at lunchtime, so they didn't. As long as we stayed in the other bar, they left us alone. :happy

I smell bull tuliip!

AtW
2nd July 2017, 18:52
When I worked in big 4 consulting I was sent to many a dull, dreary, awful place ... of these, Swindon was easily the biggest pile of doodoo. Couldn't be happier every Friday to be getting on the train back to the big smoke.

Apparently it sharpens sense of humour :laugh

SueEllen
2nd July 2017, 19:00
I smell bull tuliip!

Actually at my state comp 75% of the teachers were openly lefties. The ones who weren't kept their mouths shut so they weren't forced out.

Though the only ones who taught anything with a left bent were in the social sciences.

Whorty
2nd July 2017, 19:01
Apparently it sharpens sense of humour :laugh

It certainly made us appreciate office days. Even my time at DVLA in Swansea wasn't as bad as my time in Swindon.

Whorty
2nd July 2017, 19:07
Actually at my state comp 75% of the teachers were openly lefties. The ones who weren't kept their mouths shut so they weren't forced out.

Though the only ones who taught anything with a left bent were in the social sciences.

The tulip was suggesting he spent lunchtimes down the pub with the teachers (but different bar).

All teachers are lefties ... it's a given. In our school 6th form we had a school GE in 1987 to see how we would if we could. Teachers were really surprised (and not too pleased!) to find that Tories/Maggie came out on top. And this in a staunch red area :happy Betty Borthroyd, whom I did manage to meet and to be far was a very nice lady, was our local MP.

SueEllen
2nd July 2017, 19:51
The tulip was suggesting he spent lunchtimes down the pub with the teachers (but different bar).

All teachers are lefties ... it's a given. In our school 6th form we had a school GE in 1987 to see how we would if we could. Teachers were really surprised (and not too pleased!) to find that Tories/Maggie came out on top. And this in a staunch red area :happy Betty Borthroyd, whom I did manage to meet and to be far was a very nice lady, was our local MP.

I've heard stories about teachers and pubs like that all the time.

At college when we also drank the same pubs as our lecturers. The pub staff also knew we were all under 18 and very likely 16 when we started drinking in their establishments but ignored us. We didn't dare misbehave.

And no not all teachers are or have been lefties.

VectraMan
2nd July 2017, 19:53
Not true. i went to a comp in the 80s in a very (and I mean very) poor area of the Midlands. I came from a broken home, was brought up on a council estate, father out of work for a decade due to the unions killing the car industry in the midlands. Despite that I managed to go to Uni .... but then I'm quite smart and work hard :smokin

Not that it needs saying but I also went to a comp in the 80s in probably a nicer part of The Midlands than Whorty, and not only was I not turned down by polys I was not turned down by unis either. Funny that.

Not really a surprise to hear a Brexiteer insisting all his problems are somebody else's fault.

darmstadt
2nd July 2017, 20:07
Your definition of good is not quite the same as other peoples.

However you missed out this bit:


Unfortunately, there is no fixed answer to this particular question due to different time-frame policies of the embassies/consulates in different parts of the world. Nevertheless, it’s highly recommended to apply for a Schengen visa around six weeks prior to one’s departure, in order to make your trip as planned.

Although it takes no more than 72 hours for processing a visa in general, there are times when this process takes quite much longer, for 14 up to 21 days in some countries concerning some citizens.

In some embassies, you are able to walk in at any time and submit the documentation meanwhile in some other you MUST make an appointment prior. If you are planning to travel on a short-term, the appointment must be made no more than 6 weeks in advance. This rule doesn’t apply to the applicants who are applying for a long-term visa.

Daily Mail school of reporting. Most of the people I know who have applied for a Schengen visa have done it within a couple of weeks of their trip and receiving it less than a week later. I would suspect with the EU's mooted plan of an ESTA type online system it'll probably be 24 - 48 hours turnaround

vetran
2nd July 2017, 20:21
However you missed out this bit:



Daily Mail school of reporting. Most of the people I know who have applied for a Schengen visa have done it within a couple of weeks of their trip and receiving it less than a week later. I would suspect with the EU's mooted plan of an ESTA type online system it'll probably be 24 - 48 hours turnaround

and again from the horses mouth (not it's other parts :ohwell)


it’s highly recommended to apply for a Schengen visa around six weeks prior to one’s departure

darmstadt
2nd July 2017, 20:34
it’s highly recommended to apply for a Schengen visa around six weeks prior to one’s departure

]and again from the horses mouth (not it's other parts :ohwell)

And again, from the horses mouth:


Although it takes no more than 72 hours for processing a visa in general, there are times when this process takes quite much longer, for 14 up to 21 days in some countries concerning some citizens.

In fact if you go to the various websites of EU countries Embassies, you'll find that for most people of many countries it actually only takes a day. YMMV