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AtW
4th July 2017, 11:54
:eek

The_Equalizer
4th July 2017, 11:55
:eek

Bring down the number of people - tick.

ChimpMaster
4th July 2017, 12:00
Bring down the number of people - tick.

Lazy Brits take on all the jobs that the 'foreigners' used to do - tick.

Oh wait :eyes

vetran
4th July 2017, 12:07
Lazy Brits take on all the jobs that the 'foreigners' used to do - tick.

Oh wait :eyes

Bremoaners carry on talking tulip

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/24/benefits

BrilloPad
4th July 2017, 12:08
Lazy Brits take on all the jobs that the 'foreigners' used to do - tick.

Oh wait :eyes

After benefits are cut.

OwlHoot
4th July 2017, 12:08
Would have asked for a link, but I see it is this:

2017-07-04 Hunt paper: Hard brexit means people fleeing UK (https://order-order.com/2017/07/04/hunt-paper-hard-brexit-means-people-fleeing-uk/)

BrilloPad
4th July 2017, 12:12
Would have asked for a link, but I see it is this:

2017-07-04 Hunt paper: Hard brexit means people fleeing UK (https://order-order.com/2017/07/04/hunt-paper-hard-brexit-means-people-fleeing-uk/)

Top coment: -
The Tories really are pieces of work.
The fellow could not be more blatant in what he is doing.

Next up:
- Print a page with a header: "Brexit will give people both aids & cancer"
- The photo-hacks snap it being blatantly displayed by the politician.
- This becomes fact.

They know that the media can legitimately run the line: "Government think Brexit = people fleeing country".

I hope people see what is happening here.
This is all part of the very slow... very subtle backslide by the pro-EU Tory party.

WTFH
4th July 2017, 12:14
Bremoaners carry on talking tulip

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2013/apr/24/benefits

An article from 2013 quoting the Daily Mail?

Meanwhile the title of this thread is a quote from a document of Jeremy Hunt's.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4664264/Jeremy-Hunt-gaffes-exposing-notes-Downing-Street.html

northernladyuk
4th July 2017, 12:21
After benefits are cut.

Benefits have already had swingeing cuts since June 2016 in hard currency terms.

BrilloPad
4th July 2017, 12:23
Benefits have already had swingeing cuts since June 2016 in hard currency terms.

And yet the deficit is still going up.

northernladyuk
4th July 2017, 12:37
And yet the deficit is still going up.

The deficit is going down.

HTH

BIDI

AtW
4th July 2017, 13:19
And yet the deficit is still going up.

Only in Sterling

vetran
4th July 2017, 13:24
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/04/13/article-4664264-420532EF00000578-397_636x382.jpg

so its a question they expect to be asked with the responses below.

vetran
4th July 2017, 13:28
An article from 2013 quoting the Daily Mail?

Meanwhile the title of this thread is a quote from a document of Jeremy Hunt's.

Jeremy Hunt gaffes by exposing NHS notes in Downing Street | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4664264/Jeremy-Hunt-gaffes-exposing-notes-Downing-Street.html)

yes explaining that we have 'lazy brits not willing to work' is a lie. A response to Chimpmaster's quoted post.


Sorry if its too complicated for you I ran out of crayons...

ChimpMaster
4th July 2017, 13:38
yes explaining that we have 'lazy brits not willing to work' is a lie. A response to Chimpmaster's quoted post.


Sorry if its too complicated for you I ran out of crayons...


Sheesh calm down man.

It's not a lie BTW. There are scores of lazy Brits unwilling to work because they are too used to social welfare. Stop the welfare payments and there will be riots, due to these lazy Brits losing their "entitlement" to free Monday. It's not like they will think 'oh look, we have no free money now, let's go and get a job instead and contribute to society'.

vetran
4th July 2017, 13:49
Sheesh calm down man.

It's not a lie BTW. There are scores of lazy Brits unwilling to work because they are too used to social welfare. Stop the welfare payments and there will be riots, due to these lazy Brits losing their "entitlement" to free Monday. It's not like they will think 'oh look, we have no free money now, let's go and get a job instead and contribute to society'.

as per the Guardian analysis there are actually very few and most of them are in isolated pockets.

If you have followed my posts over the years I am a strong supporter of workfare & linking benefits to work which has been extremely effective in pushing many shirkers into employment. No riots needed.

I believe sanctions are a good move but evidence suggests that they are badly applied.

If wages rise, benefits adjust to encourage seasonal work and benefit eligibility falls then very few lazy brits will remain and most of those should be in prison or drug rehab.

I also suspect there is a widescale abuse of benefits with people claiming while working.

scooterscot
4th July 2017, 15:24
I also suspect there is a widescale abuse of benefits with people claiming while working.

Tell me about it. Still getting the child benefits despite being resident in another country.













Just kidding. :p

OwlHoot
4th July 2017, 15:28
It must be completely obvious to anyone looking at the photo above that this is a deliberate leak.

Maybe they feel it will be more convincing if it appears to be an accidental revelation of some secret discussions rather than a direct public statement. But then why bother with the charade when everyone knows it was accidental on purpose? Pathetic.

Or maybe this guy isn't flashing documents on behalf of the cabinet but is off the reservation and publicly signaling his dissent.

scooterscot
4th July 2017, 15:49
It must be completely obvious to anyone looking at the photo above that this is a deliberate leak. .

aye ken. Perhaps its a double bluff. Anything to get the chattering classes working overtime so that they might forget the doom for a minute.

His grin during the spill is top quality.

Paddy
4th July 2017, 15:52
:eek

In fact more people are leaving and leaving sooner than I predicted.
Yet another friend has closed his UK business (with a loss of 40 jobs) and started trading from Austria.
His main reason was that he want's to keep EU citizenship.

northernladyuk
4th July 2017, 15:55
In fact more people are leaving and leaving sooner than I predicted.
Yet another friend has closed his UK business (with a loss of 40 jobs) and started trading from Austria.
His main reason was that he want's to keep EU citizenship.

Low wage / skill jobs? Services? Manufacturing?

xoggoth
4th July 2017, 17:19
Stop the welfare payments and there will be riots, due to these lazy Brits losing their "entitlement" to free Monday. It's not like they will think 'oh look, we have no free money now, let's go and get a job instead and contribute to society'.

Not in the short term maybe but we need to wind back the whole idea of welfare to ensure the nation's future. If we don't, those wonderful hard working migrants are eventually going to end up with the same lazy mindset.

Corbyn's idiot idea of free tuition fees certainly won't help, there will be even fewer available for low skilled jobs and even more people who have delayed contributing to the tax system.

Paddy
4th July 2017, 19:16
Low wage / skill jobs? Services? Manufacturing?

Skilled services. The same sort of business migration took place e in the early 70s when the UK economy was in decline

AtW
4th July 2017, 20:45
In fact more people are leaving and leaving sooner than I predicted.
Yet another friend has closed his UK business (with a loss of 40 jobs) and started trading from Austria.
His main reason was that he want's to keep EU citizenship.

It sounds small but in reality big buisiness cuts jobs, it's SMEs that generated jobs, this will end very badly for UK.

On a plus side UK will rejoin EU and accept Euro currency, Euro Army, Metric system, left hand driving and stop calling La Manche the English channel - all thanks to Brexiters :eyes

DimPrawn
4th July 2017, 20:48
:eek

Population growth sharpest in 70 years after 'record' migration levels (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/population-growth-sharpest-70-years-record-migration-levels/)

The UK population has seen its sharpest increase in 70 years, driven by record levels of migration, official figures show.

Britain has experienced a population increase of five million people in just over a decade, between 2005 and 2016.

The previous five million took 35 years to achieve, between 1970 and 2005.

scooterscot
4th July 2017, 20:50
blah blah blah

The previous five million took 35 years to achieve, between 1970 and 2005.

What do you mean Britain? Scotland still has around 5 million since time began. Why can't England manage its population?

AtW
4th July 2017, 21:01
Population growth sharpest in 70 years after 'record' migration levels (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/population-growth-sharpest-70-years-record-migration-levels/)

The UK population has seen its sharpest increase in 70 years, driven by record levels of migration, official figures show.

Britain has experienced a population increase of five million people in just over a decade, between 2005 and 2016.

The previous five million took 35 years to achieve, between 1970 and 2005.

Population growth is essential to growth of economy - inbreeding leads to Brexiters

HTH

vetran
4th July 2017, 21:03
What do you mean Britain? Scotland still has around 5 million since time began. Why can't England manage its population?

strangely all the Scots leave there as soon as they can then talk wistfully bout how they love Bonny Scotland every time they have a wee dram or in your case Stein.

Its too bloody cold for immigrants and there are no jobs.

AtW
4th July 2017, 21:15
strangely all the Scots leave there as soon as they can then talk wistfully bout how they love Bonny Scotland every time they have a wee dram or in your case Stein.

Its too bloody cold for immigrants and there are no jobs.

No jobs because locals ain't lazy to take them? :wink

BlasterBates
4th July 2017, 22:06
Britain to accept 100,000's of refugees as part of the Brexit deal (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/824651/Brexit-news-EU-chief-expects-Britain-take-part-Africa-refugee-scheme)

That is very generous of the UK and will make up for the EU citizens fleeing the UK.

AtW
4th July 2017, 22:10
Britain to accept 100,000's of refugees as part of the Brexit deal (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/824651/Brexit-news-EU-chief-expects-Britain-take-part-Africa-refugee-scheme)

That is very generous of the UK and will make up for the EU citizens fleeing the UK.

It's going to look awesome for Tory Scum - 1 mln high rate taxpayers leaving and accepting just 100k refugees :laugh

northernladyuk
5th July 2017, 08:07
It's going to look awesome for Tory Scum - 1 mln high rate taxpayers leaving and accepting just 100k refugees :laugh

100k people who've taken the initiative to cross a quarter of the world clandestinely to get to the UK are exactly the kind of people who are going to out-compete Brexiteers for the back-breaking low wage jobs currently performed by EU migrants. Not looking pretty.

PurpleGorilla
5th July 2017, 08:15
100k people who've taken the initiative to cross a quarter of the world clandestinely to get to the UK are exactly the kind of people who are going to out-compete Brexiteers for the back-breaking low wage jobs currently performed by EU migrants. Not looking pretty.

No, I don't think that's right.

You have a mix, of those that want a better life and will work hard for it, and then you have the chancers. And there is no control of who is let in.

The stories of the abuse and violence along the way does not suggest they are all nurses doctors and engineers simply wanting to make the UK better...

The_Equalizer
5th July 2017, 08:18
No, I don't think that's right.

You have a mix, of those that want a better life and will work hard for it, and then you have the chancers. And there is no control of who is let in.

The stories of the abuse and violence along the way does not suggest they are all nurses doctors and engineers simply wanting to make the UK better...

They are not and it's got bu66er all to do with half the people moaning on CUK.

northernladyuk
5th July 2017, 08:18
No, I don't think that's right.

You have a mix, of those that want a better life and will work hard for it, and then you have the chancers. And there is no control of who is let in.

The stories of the abuse and violence along the way does not suggest they are all nurses doctors and engineers simply wanting to make the UK better...

Somebody is going to have to pick the fruit and veg. But agreed that there are bound to be some bad apples in the barrel. Most people though are going to want to work hard and succeed. It's the story of migration.

bobspud
5th July 2017, 08:23
Lazy Brits take on all the jobs that the 'foreigners' used to do - tick.

Oh wait :eyes

No you are missing the point. Those ****ers will never have a job the only thing left to do with them is enforce birth control. When the EU guys flee the automation specialists will pick up the slack regardless of who does the work in terms of nationality this is all work that is heading down the lost for ever tube.

OwlHoot
5th July 2017, 09:53
When the EU guys flee the automation specialists will pick up the slack regardless of who does the work in terms of nationality this is all work that is heading down the lost for ever tube.

This is absolutely correct.

People gibbering on about armies of manual fruit pickers and street sweepers and so on being needed are living in a bygone age. In fact relying on "cheap" immigrants for tasks like this will hamper and delay the UK's participation in the coming robotic industrial revolution.

It isn't much different in principle from plantation owners in the Southern US in the early 19th century claiming they needed hordes of slaves when machines that could do most of their manual work were just round the corner.

AtW
5th July 2017, 09:58
This is absolutely correct.

People gibbering on about armies of manual fruit pickers and street sweepers and so on being needed are living in a bygone age. In fact relying on "cheap" immigrants for tasks like this will hamper and delay the UK's participation in the coming robotic industrial revolution.

It isn't much different in principle from plantation owners in the Southern US in the early 19th century claiming they needed hordes of slaves when machines that could do most of their manual work were just round the corner.

If machines were just "around the corner" in the early 19th century, then why manual strawberry pickers still involved in early 21st century?

vetran
5th July 2017, 10:02
If machines were just "around the corner" in the early 19th century, then why manual strawberry pickers still involved in early 21st century?

Because they require investment not hiring cash in hand pickers.

AGROBOT - Strawberry Harvesters - Home (http://www.agrobot.com/)

AtW
5th July 2017, 10:41
Because they require investment not hiring cash in hand pickers.

AGROBOT - Strawberry Harvesters - Home (http://www.agrobot.com/)

So you want cheap foreign labour picking strawberries to leaves, because expensive robots can replace them and we end up having more expensive strawberries, with nil effect on British employment? :laugh

Who is going to lend momey to buy robots, British banks?

original PM
5th July 2017, 10:51
So you want cheap foreign labour picking strawberries to leaves, because expensive robots can replace them and we end up having more expensive strawberries, with nil effect on British employment? :laugh

Who is going to lend momey to buy robots, British banks?

Luddite!

Embrace the future - you are just sat in a corner drooling over the past.

You are a member berry.

vetran
5th July 2017, 15:19
So you want cheap foreign labour picking strawberries to leaves, because expensive robots can replace them and we end up having more expensive strawberries, with nil effect on British employment? :laugh

Who is going to lend momey to buy robots, British banks?

unless the fruit pickers are earning > £40K then they are a net drain on the economy according to the ONS.

They are also probably exporting their pay.

Instead a piece of machinery that improves productivity & cuts costs could keep the profit in the UK.

shaunbhoy
5th July 2017, 15:23
Instead a piece of machinery that improves productivity & cuts costs could keep the profit in the Cayman Islands.

ftfy

:tongue

AtW
5th July 2017, 15:26
unless the fruit pickers are earning > £40K then they are a net drain on the economy according to the ONS.

Just like majority of UK residents then? :laugh

vetran
5th July 2017, 15:27
ftfy

:tongue

possibly but if the fruit is grown & sold here how does the money get abroad?

PurpleGorilla
5th July 2017, 15:43
Just like majority of UK residents then? :laugh

Effectively yes.

shaunbhoy
5th July 2017, 15:44
possibly but if the fruit is grown & sold here how does the money get abroad?

Via the profiteering tax-dodging majority shareholder assisted by a dubious tax-avoidance scheme? Allegedly.

:wink

greenlake
5th July 2017, 15:51
how does the money get abroad?

Have you not been paying attention to those online instructional videos....?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFIdYwvviU

northernladyuk
5th July 2017, 17:03
Via the profiteering tax-dodging majority shareholder assisted by a dubious tax-avoidance scheme? Allegedly.

:wink

Nothing dodgy about it. You simply hire the equipment and associated IP from an offshore holding company.

TestMangler
5th July 2017, 17:05
Via the profiteering tax-dodging majority shareholder assisted by a dubious tax-avoidance scheme? Allegedly.

:wink

Or, spouses of Tory MP's to give them their shortened title.

Fronttoback
5th July 2017, 17:09
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/587384/IPOL_BRI(2016)587384_EN.pdf

Read it and weep suckers

AtW
5th July 2017, 17:16
Bye bye City - them bankers will have to pick strawberries for living, supervised by robots.

Fronttoback
5th July 2017, 17:28
Bye bye City - them bankers will have to pick strawberries for living, supervised by robots.

Banking is about 50 "wolf of Wall Street" types and hundreds of thousands of support staff. Programmers, back office staff, accountants , food suppliers, etc, etc.

You have swallowed a media lie. Even 90% of traders are on less dosh than a contracting programmer.

You want "bankers" to suffer? Thousands of Programmers wil lose their jobs.

You class traitor.

AtW
5th July 2017, 17:42
You want "bankers" to suffer? Thousands of Programmers wil lose their jobs.

You class traitor.

Tell it to those who voted for Brexit...

Fronttoback
5th July 2017, 17:45
Tell it to those who voted for Brexit...

But if you blame gordon gecko bankers , you are blaming a media image. This almost doesn't exist in reality.

Brexitannia!

AtW
5th July 2017, 17:49
But if you blame gordon gecko bankers , you are blaming a media image. This almost doesn't exist in reality. Brexitannia!

Gordon was not a banker :laugh

Fronttoback
5th July 2017, 17:52
Gordon was not a banker :laugh

Sorry, I meant Flash Gordon from UBS.

contractorinatractor
5th July 2017, 18:09
Not in the short term maybe but we need to wind back the whole idea of welfare to ensure the nation's future. If we don't, those wonderful hard working migrants are eventually going to end up with the same lazy mindset.

Corbyn's idiot idea of free tuition fees certainly won't help, there will be even fewer available for low skilled jobs and even more people who have delayed contributing to the tax system.


You know nothing of what you speak. I suspect you are in a little bubble somewhere in the Midlands, with a nice garden and a few neighbours.

Have you thought about doing some charity work in an urbanised community and getting a real experience at the cold-face of the lives of those on temporary work JSA? Give it a try. You'll see that welfare is needed within a decent society to provide a safety net.

Fraud rates are around max 5%. With the way you talk, you would think you'd have some evidence for the supposed vast majority (what, 95%?!) who I suspect you think are killing the system long term.

Knowing a single family doing this systematically doesn't extrapolate to the welfare masses society. At your age I would have expected you to be more enlightened. Although it's easy to see how an aged Tory is shaped by years of relatively easy living (aye, contracting is easy given the monetary rewards -deal with it) and ends up like you.

A good message to the under 35's on the forum: don't end up like OwlHoot. Use your initiative and create opinions based on direct experiences within your local community.

shaunbhoy
5th July 2017, 18:18
You know nothing of what you speak. I suspect you are in a little bubble somewhere in the Midlands, with a nice garden and a few neighbours.



Whereas YOU, no doubt, have had endless exposure to the tribulations of the working classes, and can categorically state that the only thing amiss with the current Benefits system is that successive HMGs don't plough enough money into it to help the truly "needy".

Give it a rest Mother Theresa!

:eyes

PurpleGorilla
6th July 2017, 06:42
https://youtu.be/g4flAZEgtjs

SueEllen
6th July 2017, 06:46
It's going to look awesome for Tory Scum - 1 mln high rate taxpayers leaving and accepting just 100k refugees :laugh

Someone needs to do the cleaning...

contractorinatractor
6th July 2017, 11:04
Whereas YOU, no doubt, have had endless exposure to the tribulations of the working classes, and can categorically state that the only thing amiss with the current Benefits system is that successive HMGs don't plough enough money into it to help the truly "needy".

Give it a rest Mother Theresa!

:eyes

I'm director of two medium sized charities. Prior to getting into this some years ago, I admit I assumed most charities wasted money left, right, and centre - with many being ineffectual.

It appears that, in reality, most are trying their best with limited resources. People who volunteer for them generally have day jobs and want the organisation to run smoothly and efficiently, helping those in need as best as possible.

You meet a different - much better - calibre of people who also work for the charities, and this, along with exposure to the poorest and disenfranchised of society, which benefits you and will shape your viewpoints to a more accurate vision.

How can you possibly understand or empathise with groups of society you have no contact with? If you're forming opinions from people similar to yourself and from newspapers only, what credibility can we attach to such opinions? Exactly.

northernladyuk
6th July 2017, 11:13
I'm director of two medium sized charities. Prior to getting into this some years ago, I admit I assumed most charities wasted money left, right, and centre - with many being ineffectual.

It appears that, in reality, most are trying their best with limited resources. People who volunteer for them generally have day jobs and want the organisation to run smoothly and efficiently, helping those in need as best as possible.

You meet a different - much better - calibre of people who also work for the charities, and this, along with exposure to the poorest and disenfranchised of society, which benefits you and will shape your viewpoints to a more accurate vision.

How can you possibly understand or empathise with groups of society you have no contact with? If you're forming opinions from people similar to yourself and from newspapers only, what credibility can we attach to such opinions? Exactly.

Shauny practically lives down the Panniers in Barnstaple, so don't be so quick to dismiss his life experience.

BrilloPad
6th July 2017, 11:17
I'm director of two medium sized charities. Prior to getting into this some years ago, I admit I assumed most charities wasted money left, right, and centre - with many being ineffectual.

It appears that, in reality, most are trying their best with limited resources. People who volunteer for them generally have day jobs and want the organisation to run smoothly and efficiently, helping those in need as best as possible.

You meet a different - much better - calibre of people who also work for the charities, and this, along with exposure to the poorest and disenfranchised of society, which benefits you and will shape your viewpoints to a more accurate vision.

How can you possibly understand or empathise with groups of society you have no contact with? If you're forming opinions from people similar to yourself and from newspapers only, what credibility can we attach to such opinions? Exactly.

My sister-out-law works for a charity. The main benefit is less than 3% of fund raising. Alot of charities have more.

People also feel upset to be chugged.

No-one I know donates to charity anymore except anonymously. Else they will get innundated with begging letters.

If not for my disabled children I would do much more for charity.

The_Equalizer
6th July 2017, 11:18
Shauny practically lives down the Panniers in Barnstaple, so don't be so quick to dismiss his life experience.

You're outing everyone today.

shaunbhoy
6th July 2017, 18:15
I'm director of two medium sized charities.

Well bully for you. And I am sure, as a director, you are incredibly "hands-on".
And doubtless these roles come with free use of a shiny halo and endless quantities of sanctimonious bullsh*t that you can liberally douse everyone else with, whether or not you have ANY knowledge of their circumstances.

:eyes



Prior to getting into this some years ago, I admit I assumed most charities wasted money left, right, and centre - with many being ineffectual.

Yes, well let's all just be grateful that you so magnanimously volunteered to put your shoulder to the wheel and make the world a better place.
;)






How can you possibly understand or empathise with groups of society you have no contact with? If you're forming opinions from people similar to yourself and from newspapers only, what credibility can we attach to such opinions? Exactly.

Well as you have absolutely ZERO idea of just how and what helps people on here formulate their opinions, you are in NO position to cast judgment on others.
Not that this inescapable fact has stopped you from jumping to conclusions that doubtless comfortably fit your surly supercilious prejudiced agenda.
Now spare us any more of your pious whining.

:winker:

SueEllen
6th July 2017, 18:21
I'm director of two medium sized charities.
Well bully for you. And I am sure, as a director, you are incredibly "hands-on".
And doubtless these roles come with free use of a shiny halo and endless quantities of sanctimonious bullsh*t that you can liberally douse everyone else with, whether or not you have ANY knowledge of their circumstances.

:eyes


Prior to getting into this some years ago, I admit I assumed most charities wasted money left, right, and centre - with many being ineffectual.

Yes, well let's all just be grateful that you so magnanimously volunteered to put your shoulder to the wheel and make the world a better place.
;)





How can you possibly understand or empathise with groups of society you have no contact with? If you're forming opinions from people similar to yourself and from newspapers only, what credibility can we attach to such opinions? Exactly.

Well as you have absolutely ZERO idea of just how and what helps people on here formulate their opinions, you are in NO position to cast judgment on others.
Not that this inescapable fact has stopped you from jumping to conclusions that doubtless comfortably fit your surly supercilious prejudiced agenda.
Now spare us any more of your pious whining.

:winker:

Gosh you are a little man aren't you?

shaunbhoy
6th July 2017, 18:31
Gosh you are a little man aren't you?

Go boil your head!

SueEllen
6th July 2017, 18:36
Go boil your head!

Hello Bee :wave: