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Paddy
7th August 2017, 00:37
I hope this happens in time for Brexit.


Once the UK leaves the EU, British citizens will become “third country nationals” with no automatic right of admission. A European initiative is being developed to strengthen the EU’s external borders: the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS). Citizens of non-EU countries who do not currently need visas will need to register their details and their intentions online.

Every prospective visitor to the EU, plus Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein, will register their details and pay a €5 (£4.50) fee, though under-12s can be registered free. The information will be compared against a number of watchlists, and a decision made on whether or not to grant an ETIAS.

Personal information including name, address, contact details, passport details and occupation (with your job title and employer, or for students, the name of educational establishment). There will also be questions about your state of health, particularly any infectious diseases. You must give details of any convictions in the past 20 years for serious crimes, including those involving terrorism, armed robbery, child pornography, fraud and money laundering, cybercrime, illicit trafficking in endangered animal species, counterfeiting, industrial espionage, arson, racism and xenophobia.

Post-Brexit travel to Europe: all your questions answered | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/etias-brexit-schengen-area-british-passports-online-visa-a7879876.html)

SueEllen
7th August 2017, 05:03
Harsh...

_V_
7th August 2017, 06:48
Wow imagine having to fill in an online form and pay €5. I expect no one would ever get on a plane or ferry again with such a monumental barrier like that in place.

original PM
7th August 2017, 06:59
I hope this happens in time for Brexit.



Post-Brexit travel to Europe: all your questions answered | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/etias-brexit-schengen-area-british-passports-online-visa-a7879876.html)

Why would they allow that when 50% of the countries in the eu rely on British tourism to prop up their economy?

Or do facts not fit in with your bullshit rhetoric?

WTFH
7th August 2017, 07:07
Why would they allow that when 50% of the countries in the eu rely on British tourism to prop up their economy?


Why will it make any difference? Brexit voting Brits will still go to Europe on holiday. An extra £5 isn't going to make a major difference, but when the tour ops change that to £15, the punters will blame the EU.

darmstadt
7th August 2017, 07:29
Why would they allow that when 50% of the countries in the eu rely on British tourism to prop up their economy?

Or do facts not fit in with your bulltulip rhetoric?

How about some facts from you regarding this 50% figure please?

shaunbhoy
7th August 2017, 07:55
I hope this happens in time for Brexit.





Only a sad bitter petulant loser would "hope" for that. Oh wait............I see what you did there!

:laugh

WTFH
7th August 2017, 08:14
How about some facts from you regarding this 50% figure please?

It's true - in the summer, the British tourist industry spends £350million a week in the EU. I read it on the side of a bus somewhere.

SueEllen
7th August 2017, 08:35
Why would they allow that when 50% of the countries in the eu rely on British tourism to prop up their economy?

Or do facts not fit in with your bullshit rhetoric?

You are weird.

He was just reporting a news story.

There are already long delays for non- Schengen area citizens at EU airports and this should get rid of them.

WTFH
7th August 2017, 08:52
Paddy, I agree with your word "hope" as it means it's something which can be negotiated as part of the Brexit process, rather than another negotiation to take place at a later (or possibly earlier) stage. It's a shame that the UK's negotiators are of a similar skill level to some of the posters on here, who turn angry when they read things they don't understand, or just respond with smilies.

Michel Barnier: I think we should talk about trade
David Davis: Michelle is a girls name :lol :laugh
MB: OK, then how about the Open Skies agreement
DD: Well, you need to pay us for that because all your flights fly over the UK to get to the US.
MB: Firstly, no they don't, and secondly it's an agreement about flying in the US as well, but hey ho, if you don't want to talk about it, maybe we can go on to something else...

BlasterBates
7th August 2017, 09:05
Paddy, I agree with your word "hope" as it means it's something which can be negotiated as part of the Brexit process, rather than another negotiation to take place at a later (or possibly earlier) stage. It's a shame that the UK's negotiators are of a similar skill level to some of the posters on here, who turn angry when they read things they don't understand, or just respond with smilies.

Michel Barnier: I think we should talk about trade
David Davis: Michelle is a girls name :lol :laugh
MB: OK, then how about the Open Skies agreement
DD: Well, you need to pay us for that because all your flights fly over the UK to get to the US.
MB: Firstly, no they don't, and secondly it's an agreement about flying in the US as well, but hey ho, if you don't want to talk about it, maybe we can go on to something else...


Indeed the debate in the UK has been brought down to an infantile level by the Eurosceptic tabloid press.

original PM
7th August 2017, 09:37
You are weird.

He was just reporting a news story.

There are already long delays for non- Schengen area citizens at EU airports and this should get rid of them.

Thanks - I do try extra hard on here.

I appreciate he/she/xhe is just quoting a news story but it is the 'nah nah nah told you so' attitude that goes with it - almost implying that this story is now the only truth out there but there has been no thought really behind what that would actually mean in the longer term and how workable it is.

A lot of southern european states rely heavily on UK tourism - in fact especially those who are often called out as struggling financially such as Greece, Spain and Italy.

So this idea that the 'EU' will suddenly make it a lot harder and more expensive for UK citizens to travel there just makes no sense - and if the EU tried to pass some laws/rules doing this would obviously see those states voting vigorously against that.

And finally if you did deeper it is just another story about the EU (or actually Germany) 'taking their football home' because they cannot play striker - it's just like watching a ten year old spoilt child in a playground.

shaunbhoy
7th August 2017, 09:52
Paddy, I agree with your word "hope" as I am as tediously dreary and negative as you are. Not forgetting that the default position for any true Bremoaner is that of assuming the worst in any given set of circumstances. It is a shame that not all of the posters on here are equally restricted when it comes to adopting a negative spin on all things Brexit! Did I mention that I am also a perenially whiny kn0bjockey too?

ftfy

:laugh

WTFH
7th August 2017, 09:52
So this idea that the 'EU' will suddenly make it a lot harder and more expensive for UK citizens to travel there just makes no sense - and if the EU tried to pass some laws/rules doing this would obviously see those states voting vigorously against that.


And some people seem to think (based on the propaganda they believe), that everything the EU does is purely to annoy/upset/punish the UK, even though this was all talked about in the run up to the referendum.
These changes do not just affect the UK.
These changes are not just about Brits going on holiday.
Not every single person that travels to Europe does so to go on holiday.
Strange as it may seem, there are actual contractors on this forum, contractors who travel for work.
Permies, pensioners and scroungers on here might only go to Ibiza for their annual holiday, but some of us earn money and pay tax on those earnings while travelling abroad.

As I've said before, the UK had all the opportunities it wanted to tighten its borders while TM was in charge of the Home Office, but she refused to do so. UKIP and others then convinced many that the the UK could not do anything about its borders because of the EU. Doesn't matter that was a flat out lie, many believed it. Some EU countries have now tightened their borders, and the propaganda machines in the UK are telling their listeners that this is the EU deliberately doing this to punish the UK.
They told their listeners that the UK are victims because the EU won't let us do anything about out borders.
They now tell the same listeners that the UK are victims because other EU countries have done something about their borders.

As long as people keep reading/listening to the propaganda that the poor UK are victims, always being victimised by the evil EU, as long as those poor ickle snowflakes keep believing the propaganda, then there is no hope for them (and unfortunately little hope for the rest of us, since the Original Snowflake generation are the majority in this country (based on newspaper sales, at least)

shaunbhoy
7th August 2017, 09:55
blah blah blah piss, wind, hot air, blah tantrum blah

:cry3: :cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::

:laugh :rollin:

WTFH
7th August 2017, 09:56
ftfy

:laugh


:cry3: :cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::cry3::

:laugh :rollin:



Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Or in English: Thanks for your replies, they prove my point quite clearly.

original PM
7th August 2017, 10:02
And some people seem to think (based on the propaganda they believe), that everything the EU does is purely to annoy/upset/punish the UK, even though this was all talked about in the run up to the referendum.
These changes do not just affect the UK.
These changes are not just about Brits going on holiday.
Not every single person that travels to Europe does so to go on holiday.
Strange as it may seem, there are actual contractors on this forum, contractors who travel for work.
Permies, pensioners and scroungers on here might only go to Ibiza for their annual holiday, but some of us earn money and pay tax on those earnings while travelling abroad.

As I've said before, the UK had all the opportunities it wanted to tighten its borders while TM was in charge of the Home Office, but she refused to do so. UKIP and others then convinced many that the the UK could not do anything about its borders because of the EU. Doesn't matter that was a flat out lie, many believed it. Some EU countries have now tightened their borders, and the propaganda machines in the UK are telling their listeners that this is the EU deliberately doing this to punish the UK.
They told their listeners that the UK are victims because the EU won't let us do anything about out borders.
They now tell the same listeners that the UK are victims because other EU countries have done something about their borders.

As long as people keep reading/listening to the propaganda that the poor UK are victims, always being victimised by the evil EU, as long as those poor ickle snowflakes keep believing the propaganda, then there is no hope for them (and unfortunately little hope for the rest of us, since the Original Snowflake generation are the majority in this country (based on newspaper sales, at least)

If you removed the European Parliament and left in place the EAA what would the difference be?

The main problem with what the EU has become is that to justify themselves they have to keep trying to 'rule' like a government and to do that you have to be seen to be 'rewarding' those who subject to the rule of your government and conversely therefore 'not rewarding' or 'punishing' those who are not.

The EU has a huge stake in trying to make out the the UK will be worse off without them and they are not satisfied with just waiting and seeing what happens as it is in their best interests to ensure that the UK is seen to be worse off.

They are not doing this for the benefit of the citizens of the EU they are doing it for their own personal gain.

And that is what I find incredibly repulsive.

darmstadt
7th August 2017, 10:02
Thanks - I do try extra hard on here.

I appreciate he/she/xhe is just quoting a news story but it is the 'nah nah nah told you so' attitude that goes with it - almost implying that this story is now the only truth out there but there has been no thought really behind what that would actually mean in the longer term and how workable it is.

A lot of southern european states rely heavily on UK tourism - in fact especially those who are often called out as struggling financially such as Greece, Spain and Italy.

So this idea that the 'EU' will suddenly make it a lot harder and more expensive for UK citizens to travel there just makes no sense - and if the EU tried to pass some laws/rules doing this would obviously see those states voting vigorously against that.

And finally if you did deeper it is just another story about the EU (or actually Germany) 'taking their football home' because they cannot play striker - it's just like watching a ten year old spoilt child in a playground.

Actually what it will do is make those places rely on tourism cheaper and therefore more people from those countries that are in the EU go there instead of the expensive UK. What the **** this has to do with Germany is anyone's guess, mind you if the UK hadn't been 'whinging Poms' for the past few decades it could have been them being the power broker in the EU, think about that. The only people to blame for all this, is the UK themselves

shaunbhoy
7th August 2017, 10:06
Or in English: "I am still a dreary twunt, and will continue to display this by throwing my toys out of the cot with metronomic regularity"



:laugh:rollin::laugh

original PM
7th August 2017, 10:07
Actually what it will do is make those places rely on tourism cheaper and therefore more people from those countries that are in the EU go there instead of the expensive UK. What the **** this has to do with Germany is anyone's guess, mind you if the UK hadn't been 'whinging Poms' for the past few decades it could have been them being the power broker in the EU, think about that. The only people to blame for all this, is the UK themselves

We harbour no desire to rule over Europe or the World - which is why we disbanded the Empire.

Something which cannot really be said about Germany given the history of the past hundred years or so.

PurpleGorilla
7th August 2017, 10:10
Actually what it will do is make those places rely on tourism cheaper and therefore more people from those countries that are in the EU go there instead of the expensive UK. What the **** this has to do with Germany is anyone's guess, mind you if the UK hadn't been 'whinging Poms' for the past few decades it could have been them being the power broker in the EU, think about that. The only people to blame for all this, is the UK themselves

Sums up the inequality of nations in the EU.

https://mrmumblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/55d77983c56c9.jpg

WTFH
7th August 2017, 10:13
They are not doing this for the benefit of the citizens of the EU they are doing it for their own personal gain.

And that is what I find incredibly repulsive.

The same way I find it repulsive that you could replace EU with UK in your argument and the same would be true.
The UK leaving the EU is not for the benefit of UK citizens.
It is not to give us back sovereign control of our borders - we already had that, some EU countries are demonstrating it.
It is not to give £350 million a week to the NHS - that was a lie from the start
It is not to give UK jobs to UK workers - we are selling everything off to foreigners who offshore the jobs and the profits.

...and proof, if proof were needed, can be seen in how well the negotiations are going. It's not the EU's fault that the UK team can't negotiate, and the UK negotiators don't mind as long as the snowflakes continue to believe that it's the EU that is at fault for everything.

BlasterBates
7th August 2017, 10:26
They are not doing this for the benefit of the citizens of the EU they are doing it for their own personal gain.

And that is what I find incredibly repulsive.

You mean the "Eurocrats" who are appointed by their respective governments or the democratically elected MP's ?

You're argument simply underscores the need to for the UK disengage from the EU as the British clearly aren't mature enough to be in the EU. The UK government appoints the British Eurocrats, so if anyone is in it for personal gain then obviously the government is incompetent and the government was elected by the British people. If an MEP or his staff are in it for personal gain, and Nigel Farage is an example, then it is because British people voted them in.

At the end of the day if there is a problem, the British themselves are responsible and all you will do is replace Eurocrats and MEPs in it for personal gain, with Westminster MP's and Civil servants in it for their personal gain.

The problem has not been solved, because Boris Johnson and Michael Gove who are in it for personal gain are still running your country.

original PM
7th August 2017, 10:34
You mean the "Eurocrats" who are appointed by their respective governments or the democratically elected MP's ?

You're argument simply underscores the need to for the UK disengage from the EU as the British clearly aren't mature enough to be in the EU. The UK government appoints the British Eurocrats, so if anyone is in it for personal gain then obviously the government is incompetent and the government was elected by the British people. If an MEP or his staff are in it for personal gain, and Nigel Farage is an example, then it is because British people voted them in.

At the end of the day if there is a problem, the British themselves are responsible and all you will do is replace Eurocrats and MEPs in it for personal gain, with Westminster MP's and Civil servants in it for their personal gain.

The problem has not been solved, because Boris Johnson and Michael Gove who are in it for personal gain are still running your country.

The point I am trying to make is that we do not need the EU as a government style body more just a group of people using the economies of scale to obtain better/cleaner trade tariffs for those in the 'group'.

Unfortunately a country does need a government to function well and so yes we do have people within the UK government who are in it 'for themselves' however there are also lots of people working within the uk government who are just trying to do a good job.

However there is a general theme of people who wish to rule being naturally ego centric as they seem to be the people who have the drive to get those positions.

SueEllen
7th August 2017, 10:36
We harbour no desire to rule over Europe or the World - which is why we disbanded the Empire.


What a load of rot. It's not like the UK has a choice in disbanding their empire - a large war helped.

BlasterBates
7th August 2017, 10:40
The point I am trying to make is that we do not need the EU as a government style body more just a group of people using the economies of scale to obtain better/cleaner trade tariffs for those in the 'group'.

Unfortunately a country does need a government to function well and so yes we do have people within the UK government who are in it 'for themselves' however there are also lots of people working within the uk government who are just trying to do a good job.

However there is a general theme of people who wish to rule being naturally ego centric as they seem to be the people who have the drive to get those positions.

The European Parliament has the power to block all legislation they don't like or to sack the entire commission i.e. all Eurocrats. So it is all in the hands of the voters in the European elections if they think someone is in it for personal gain. In that respect it is no different to the UK parliamentary democracy.

darmstadt
7th August 2017, 10:48
The point I am trying to make is that we do not need the EU as a government style body more just a group of people using the economies of scale to obtain better/cleaner trade tariffs for those in the 'group'.

Unfortunately a country does need a government to function well and so yes we do have people within the UK government who are in it 'for themselves' however there are also lots of people working within the uk government who are just trying to do a good job.

However there is a general theme of people who wish to rule being naturally ego centric as they seem to be the people who have the drive to get those positions.

I think you'll find that not only is the EEA similar to the EU:


The EEA relies on the same "four freedoms" underpinning the European Single Market (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market) as does the European Union: the free movement of goods, persons, services, and capital among the EEA countries. Thus, the EEA countries that are not part of the EU enjoy free trade with the European Union. Also, '[t]he free movement of persons is one of the core rights guaranteed in the European Economic Area (EEA) ... [i]t is perhaps the most important right for individuals, as it gives citizens of the 31 EEA countries the opportunity to live, work, establish business and study in any of these countries

But that the UK is a member of a number of bodies from the UN, NATO, WTO, etc. which control much of how the UK operates in the wider world. Maybe the UK should leave all of those as well to have true 'sovereignty'?

BlasterBates
7th August 2017, 11:13
I think you'll find that not only is the EEA similar to the EU:



But that the UK is a member of a number of bodies from the UN, NATO, WTO, etc. which control much of how the UK operates in the wider world. Maybe the UK should leave all of those as well to have true 'sovereignty'?

Indeed, the UK has full control over:
Taxation and spending
Pensions and social benefits
Health
Education
Defence
The Criminal Justice system and police
Foreign Policy except for trade

What it doesn't have control over is trade, but then neither does Norway or Switzerland.

billybiro
7th August 2017, 11:55
Why would they allow that when 50% of the countries in the eu rely on British tourism to prop up their economy?

Or do facts not fit in with your bulltulip rhetoric?

Citation needed.

WTFH
7th August 2017, 12:17
Citation needed.

It depends on his definition of "prop up the economy", if it means "buy a beer in the country", then his figure may be true. If he means that UK tourists are responsible for more than half that country's income, then he must have some amazing stats tucked away somewhere.

Among the EU28, the UK is responsible for 23% of the personal nights stays made by EU28 nationals to other EU countries.
Source:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Share_of_nights_spent_during_outbound_holiday s_of_Europeans,_by_country_of_residence_of_the_tou rist,_2015_(%25_of_nights_spent_abroad_by_resident s_of_the_EU-28)_V2.png

Among the same countries, their income from tourism is not the backbone of the economy that some falsely believe it is:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Travel_receipts_and_expenditure_in_balance_of _payments,_2010–15.png#file

Crunching those numbers, the UK is responsible for about €27,000million in tourism each year to the rest of the EU.
If the only country that UK people went to for a holiday was Spain, then yes, the UK would be responsible for about half of their tourism income. That would be roughly 1.5% of their GDP.
...but that only applies if all the UK money spent in Europe was only spent in Spain.

Averaging out the EU as a whole, the UK tourism receipts approx 0.2% of the EU GDP. If you take out the expenses behind those receipts, the figure is about 1/10th of that.

Bee
7th August 2017, 17:42
Why would they allow that when 50% of the countries in the eu rely on British tourism to prop up their economy?

Or do facts not fit in with your bulltulip rhetoric?

:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh
:rollin:

You put me in a state of shock that I don't know what to say. :laugh

shaunbhoy
7th August 2017, 17:58
:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh
:rollin:

You put me in a state of shock that I don't know what to say. :laugh

So worth posting his response for that reason alone then. :laugh

original PM
7th August 2017, 18:32
Ok so when you go on holiday to your nice beach resort can you explain what other income those places have which would keep the people employed without tourists?

shaunbhoy
7th August 2017, 19:05
Ok so when you go on holiday to your nice beach resort can you explain what other income those places have which would keep the people employed without tourists?

Refugee Trafficking?

:wink

Whorty
7th August 2017, 21:04
:laugh:rollin::laugh

You really are a prize idiot Shaun. You do realise we laugh at you and not with you, don't you?

_V_
7th August 2017, 21:22
If EU countries don't want the £5K - 10K p.a I spend on holidays, I'm more than happy to travel to the Caribbean, USA, Canada, Dubai, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, New Zealand, Indian Ocean islands, and other locations and spend it there.

WTFH
7th August 2017, 21:48
If EU countries don't want the £5K - 10K p.a I spend on holidays, I'm more than happy to travel to the Caribbean, USA, Canada, Dubai, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, New Zealand, Indian Ocean islands, and other locations and spend it there.

You won't get into the US without buying an ESTA for each family member (a bit more than €5/£6) and the queues to get in are terrible (although the Mail etc won't tell you that because they love Trump).

SueEllen
7th August 2017, 23:07
You won't get into the US without buying an ESTA for each family member (a bit more than €5/£6) and the queues to get in are terrible (although the Mail etc won't tell you that because they love Trump).

That's cos they keep the cost down by only having one person on at a time.

Bee
8th August 2017, 12:52
Ok so when you go on holiday to your nice beach resort can you explain what other income those places have which would keep the people employed without tourists?

:tumble:

Link this to your previous post, I think you are confusing Europe with an island in the middle of Caribbean sea. :eyes

SueEllen
8th August 2017, 13:23
:tumble:

Link this to your previous post, I think you are confusing Europe with an island in the middle of Caribbean sea. :eyes

I think he should go to a nice island in the Atlantic like St Helena....

original PM
8th August 2017, 13:27
:tumble:

Link this to your previous post, I think you are confusing Europe with an island in the middle of Caribbean sea. :eyes

And I think you are assuming the people who currently live and work in these tourist areas will be happy to up sticks and join the rat race in the city, or that they are trained to do technical engineering jobs, or building or plumbing or any number of 'trades' which also contribute in a large way to these countries gdp.

And I imagine you would also be one of the first to jump up and down about how bad Maggie T was in shutting down the mines and then expecting those workers to simply go get a job in a different industry - as that is what you are saying.

billybiro
8th August 2017, 14:49
It depends on his definition of "prop up the economy", if it means "buy a beer in the country", then his figure may be true. If he means that UK tourists are responsible for more than half that country's income, then he must have some amazing stats tucked away somewhere.

Among the EU28, the UK is responsible for 23% of the personal nights stays made by EU28 nationals to other EU countries.
Source:
File:Share of nights spent during outbound holidays of Europeans, by country of residence of the tourist, 2015 (% of nights spent abroad by residents of the EU-28) V2.png - Statistics Explained (http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Share_of_nights_spent_during_outbound_holiday s_of_Europeans,_by_country_of_residence_of_the_tou rist,_2015_(%25_of_nights_spent_abroad_by_resident s_of_the_EU-28)_V2.png)

Among the same countries, their income from tourism is not the backbone of the economy that some falsely believe it is:
File:Travel receipts and expenditure in balance of payments, 2010–15.png - Statistics Explained (http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Travel_receipts_and_expenditure_in_balance_of _payments,_2010–15.png#file)

Crunching those numbers, the UK is responsible for about €27,000million in tourism each year to the rest of the EU.
If the only country that UK people went to for a holiday was Spain, then yes, the UK would be responsible for about half of their tourism income. That would be roughly 1.5% of their GDP.
...but that only applies if all the UK money spent in Europe was only spent in Spain.

Averaging out the EU as a whole, the UK tourism receipts approx 0.2% of the EU GDP. If you take out the expenses behind those receipts, the figure is about 1/10th of that.

TL;DR, his original assertion is a blatant lie.

WTFH
8th August 2017, 15:01
TL;DR, his original assertion is a blatant lie.

Totally, but that's how he operates - makes a claim, when challenged refuses to back it up, then runs away and hope the subject changes or people forget his post. He'll repeat it in a few days.

d000hg
8th August 2017, 15:12
So does this mean we can start going on holiday to all the EU destinations ruined by Brits again?

Bee
8th August 2017, 15:21
And I think you are assuming the people who currently live and work in these tourist areas will be happy to up sticks and join the rat race in the city, or that they are trained to do technical engineering jobs, or building or plumbing or any number of 'trades' which also contribute in a large way to these countries gdp.

And I imagine you would also be one of the first to jump up and down about how bad Maggie T was in shutting down the mines and then expecting those workers to simply go get a job in a different industry - as that is what you are saying.

What this has to do with countries in Europe?

original PM
8th August 2017, 16:12
What this has to do with countries in Europe?

If no tourists visit tourist resorts then the tourist resorts close down (look at Morecambe for example)

Then the local people who used to be employed to support the tourist trade then have to find employment/means of living elsewhere (or starve).

However those people may be quite happy living in their location and do not want to move and are quite happy to work to support the tourist trade.

And the assumption seems to be that if there is no tourist trade these people will be happy to move elsewhere and do different jobs.

Yes I understand that not every single Euro that goes into Spains economy (for example) comes from tourism - however a not insignificant percentage does and it supports a not insignificant percentage of their population.

And if the EU tries to curtail this tourism to 'spite' the UK they are actually directly affecting these people.

But then the farce of the EU refusing to discuss the future of EU national in the UK and vice versa earlier on in the year/last year shows how much they actually care for the common man on the street and their ability to feed and clothe their kids.

WTFH
8th August 2017, 16:20
If no tourists visit tourist resorts then the tourist resorts close down (look at Morecambe for example)

Then the local people who used to be employed to support the tourist trade then have to find employment/means of living elsewhere (or starve).

However those people may be quite happy living in their location and do not want to move and are quite happy to work to support the tourist trade.

And the assumption seems to be that if there is no tourist trade these people will be happy to move elsewhere and do different jobs.

Yes I understand that not every single Euro that goes into Spains economy (for example) comes from tourism - however a not insignificant percentage does and it supports a not insignificant percentage of their population.

And if the EU tries to curtail this tourism to 'spite' the UK they are actually directly affecting these people.

But then the farce of the EU refusing to discuss the future of EU national in the UK and vice versa earlier on in the year/last year shows how much they actually care for the common man on the street and their ability to feed and clothe their kids.

Yes, you're right OPM, because the only tourists who go to Europe on holiday are from the UK.

... or not.

And if you look at the holiday destinations you refer to, how many have bars/restaurants run or staffed by UK people?

original PM
8th August 2017, 16:24
Yes, you're right OPM, because the only tourists who go to Europe on holiday are from the UK.

... or not.

And if you look at the holiday destinations you refer to, how many have bars/restaurants run or staffed by UK people?

No obviously not but they are not an insignificant %age of those that do.

As for UK people working in these areas - well maybe it will help their economies if they can employ the locals..... or do they have the 'same' problem we do in that the youth refuse to do these hospitality jobs?

BlasterBates
8th August 2017, 16:27
Yes, you're right OPM, because the only tourists who go to Europe on holiday are from the UK.

... or not.

And if you look at the holiday destinations you refer to, how many have bars/restaurants run or staffed by UK people?

About 6% of tourists in Spain are from the UK, if fewer British tourists did go they wouldn't really notice.

original PM
8th August 2017, 16:36
About 6% of tourists in Spain are from the UK, if fewer British tourists did go they wouldn't really notice.

Ok

British tourism to Spain hits record despite pound's post-Brexit fall | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-spain-idUKKBN15N1QF)

Bee
8th August 2017, 17:40
No obviously not but they are not an insignificant %age of those that do.

As for UK people working in these areas - well maybe it will help their economies if they can employ the locals..... or do they have the 'same' problem we do in that the youth refuse to do these hospitality jobs?

Why do you think Spain is different? If it's like Portugal they employ the locals but the most are immigrants.

Bee
8th August 2017, 17:46
Ok

British tourism to Spain hits record despite pound's post-Brexit fall | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-spain-idUKKBN15N1QF)

Finally, you got there.

The south countries are been invaded this year with tourist because they choosing safety places, and it's not only Brits.

This kind news suggesting that EU are against Brits is tendentious that don't make any sense.

shaunbhoy
8th August 2017, 17:53
The south countries are been invaded this year with tourist because they choosing safety places, and it's not only Brits.



Spain terror threat - Jihadi groups plot 'strike to kill on beaches' | World | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/810292/Terror-threat-tourists-Spain-SAS-Isis-strike-to-kill)

DSTM

:wink

Bee
8th August 2017, 18:05
Spain terror threat - Jihadi groups plot 'strike to kill on beaches' | World | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/810292/Terror-threat-tourists-Spain-SAS-Isis-strike-to-kill)

DSTM

:wink

Where is the source of this? :wink

shaunbhoy
8th August 2017, 18:10
Where is the source of this? :wink

It's a secret I'm afraid.

Hush hush!!

:wink

BrilloPad
8th August 2017, 18:29
It's a secret I'm afraid.

Hush hush!!

:wink

Only a secret from sockies though?

Ah yes, I take your point.....