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BrilloPad
18th August 2017, 09:06
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/leaving-eu-without-deal-would-not-be-a-disaster-says-thinktank

filthy1980
18th August 2017, 09:08
Sasguru to rebut in 3.....2......1

sal
18th August 2017, 09:16
Although removing tariffs could result in job losses for the 8% of British workers in protected sectors, such as farming, the IEA said new roles could be created to offset the losses.

Sounds like a great idea, decimate local food production, just so we can get slightly cheaper oranges from South Africa....

sasguru
18th August 2017, 09:24
Sasguru to rebut in 3.....2......1

Seems I have to since you lot are so gullible.
The IEA is a neo-liberal mouthpiece of the right wing of the Tory party.
Brexit will indeed benefit some - rich Tories.
But hey as I've said before, for various reasons, I want a hard Brexit too.
Mainly for the entertainment.
I don't have "skin in the game" any more.

Cirrus
18th August 2017, 09:30
You really have tunnel vision.
The Institute for Government said leaving with no deal was a “recipe for maximum disruption” should the UK have to trade with the EU under WTO rules, because it would include higher tariffs and more document checks and inspections at borders.

Leaving the EU would disrupt the flow of goods required by manufacturers in the UK, harming sectors such as car production, and create friction in trade across borders, its report, published on Thursday, concluded.

The rest is free market idealogical claptrap. You can say it. You can believe in it. But it is essentially contentious, right wing religion. It could be right, I accept, like it could be right that the chamber doesn't have a bullet but - if you don't mind - I'd rather you didn't pull the trigger whilst the gun is pointing at my head.

If Brexit was "Lets have a massive zero tariff experiment (bear in mind the others won't reciprocate - they're not so naive) and see if it shakes up the UK" then I could respect that as at least saying something instead the breezy, vacuous nonsense we've had for the last couple of years.

BlasterBates
18th August 2017, 09:33
I find it interesting all these suggestions that leaving the EU everything gets cheaper. If this were the case why is everything so expensive in Switzerland ?

Switzerland is not in the Customs Union and can set tariffs to whatever it wants. The same applies to Norway and Iceland. It isn't like only Swiss farming produce is expensive, virtually everything is so expensive, and that was well before the Swiss Franc became over valued. When I also visit other countries like Japan, it's not cheap there either, so where are all these cheap products they keep going on about.

The Supermarkets have already stated prices will go up after Brexit.

Anyone had to pay for medical treatment in the US?

sasguru
18th August 2017, 09:38
TBH I'm a bit tired of the Brexit chat - let's just walk away from the negs - hard Brexit now and let the chips fall where they will. :D

PurpleGorilla
18th August 2017, 09:41
I find it interesting all these suggestions that leaving the EU everything gets cheaper. If this were the case why is everything so expensive in Switzerland ?

Switzerland is not in the Customs Union and can set tariffs to whatever it wants. The same applies to Norway and Iceland. It isn't like only Swiss farming produce is expensive, virtually everything is so expensive, and that was well before the Swiss Franc became over valued. When I also visit other countries like Japan, it's not cheap there either, so where are all these cheap products they keep going on about.

The Supermarkets have already stated prices will go up after Brexit.

Anyone had to pay for medical treatment in the US?

But driving hard toward cheap prices just squeezes the supply chain and pushes down wages.

BrilloPad
18th August 2017, 10:06
If this were the case why is everything so expensive in Switzerland ?


Because whenever there is a war they stay neutral and make money out of everyone.

Mordac
18th August 2017, 10:16
Sasguru to rebut in 3.....2......1

It's in the Graun, so there must be a catch...

BrilloPad
18th August 2017, 10:20
It's in the Graun, so there must be a catch...

The report does appear to be from a right wing think tank.

Maybe Trump has hacked the Guardian website? Bourne3 on steroids....

sasguru
18th August 2017, 10:28
It's in the Graun, so there must be a catch...

Seriously? You're too thick to distinguish between the news and the medium reporting it?
Shouldn't really surprise me I suppose.

The_Equalizer
18th August 2017, 10:39
Seriously? You're too thick to distinguish between the news and the medium reporting it?
Shouldn't really surprise me I suppose.

Newspapers now rely on mediums to report the news?

sasguru
18th August 2017, 10:42
Newspapers now rely on mediums to report the news?

I think the Mail and Express do. The lies they invent may as well come from nutters:

Britain now producing MORE cars than Germany: How the UK has become the car production capital of Europe | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210199/Britain-producing-MORE-cars-Germany-How-UK-car-production-capital-Europe.html)

Here are the facts, in 2012 when that article was written, Germany (obviously), SPain and France all made more cars than the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production


What's the point of this blatant lie? Is it poor fact checking? Should freedom of the press mean facts are ignored?

The_Equalizer
18th August 2017, 10:50
I think the Mail and Express do. The lies they invent may as well come from nutters:

Britain now producing MORE cars than Germany: How the UK has become the car production capital of Europe | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210199/Britain-producing-MORE-cars-Germany-How-UK-car-production-capital-Europe.html)

Here are the facts, in 2012 when that article was written, Germany (obviously), SPain and France all made more cars than the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production


What's the point of this blatant lie? Is it poor fact checking? Should freedom of the press mean facts are ignored?

I gave up taking things at face value when The Observer said at least 300K people were probably going to die from BSE. John Gummer and his kid stuffed with donkey burgers won a hollow victory.

billybiro
18th August 2017, 12:01
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/leaving-eu-without-deal-would-not-be-a-disaster-says-thinktank

Errm... From the article [emphasis mine]:


Leaving the European Union without a deal in place would not spell disaster for the UK economy, according to a free market thinktank advocating trade with the rest of the world over a “hamstrung” deal with Brussels.


This is equivalent to:


"Mercedes Benz cars are officially the best in the world" according to Mercedes Benz.

vetran
18th August 2017, 12:06
Newspapers now rely on mediums to report the news?

They do now their readers are the Brain dead like SAS!

BrilloPad
18th August 2017, 12:23
"Mercedes Benz cars are officially the best in the world" according to Mercedes Benz.:

Not in the UK. They will be banned soon along with all other foreign cars. Buy British.

darmstadt
18th August 2017, 12:33
Not in the UK. They will be banned soon along with all other foreign cars. Buy British.

Yes, sir. right away.

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PurpleGorilla
18th August 2017, 12:38
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2017/06/05/tvr-rendering_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqQJbX6lcFROth1lgCtbL6L-f0a3WaVre2yjc5JtIKSaY.jpeg?imwidth=450

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/tvr-unveil-new-model-goodwood-revival-prices-specs-everything/

darmstadt
18th August 2017, 14:31
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2017/06/05/tvr-rendering_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqQJbX6lcFROth1lgCtbL6L-f0a3WaVre2yjc5JtIKSaY.jpeg?imwidth=450

TVR to unveil new 200mph V8 sports car at Goodwood Revival (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/tvr-unveil-new-model-goodwood-revival-prices-specs-everything/)


5.0-litre Cosworth-developed V8. An expected power output of 480bhp will result in a 200mph top speed and a 0-60mph time of just 4 seconds.
...
A limited run of 500 'Launch Edition' cars, priced at £90,000, is already selling fast

I can really see a lot of those on the road. BTW, I have a 3 litre straight six with 430hp and 190mph top speed and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds but still has 4 doors and cost 20 grand less than that, German made of course so I don't think they're on course to rival anyone much.

I would buy one though, possibly

PurpleGorilla
18th August 2017, 14:37
I can really see a lot of those on the road. BTW, I have a 3 litre straight six with 430hp and 190mph top speed and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds but still has 4 doors and cost 20 grand less than that, German made of course so I don't think they're on course to rival anyone much.

I would buy one though, possibly

Excellent, it looks good in British Racing Green.

WTFH
18th August 2017, 15:12
I can really see a lot of those on the road. BTW, I have a 3 litre straight six with 430hp and 190mph top speed and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds but still has 4 doors and cost 20 grand less than that, German made of course so I don't think they're on course to rival anyone much.

My next one (probably) will be a 2.9l V6 with 503hp, limited to 191mph, 0-60 in 3.9, 5 doors, raised off the ground a lot more than yours, and about the same price as yours too, but from a bit further south, through Switzerland and then up over a pass.

PurpleGorilla
18th August 2017, 15:15
My next one (probably) will be a 2.9l V6 with 503hp, limited to 191mph, 0-60 in 3.9, 5 doors, raised off the ground a lot more than yours, and about the same price as yours too, but from a bit further south, through Switzerland and then up over a pass.

When my lotto numbers come up - I will wave from my helicopter.

But seriously, It must be crushingly painful when a Saxo throws up a stone and cracks your windscreen?

Much as I like the idea of a tasty motor, the pain of a stonechip even to my motor hurts like hell.

BlasterBates
18th August 2017, 15:21
Australia demands the same rights in the UK as EU citizens (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/842979/Australia-demands-equal-opportunity-rights-EU-citizens-Britain)

So when the UK's arm has been twisted to allow freedom of movement for EU citizens to get a trade deal, every other country will demand it too, and the UK will end up with mass migration * 10.

:D

WTFH
18th August 2017, 15:42
When my lotto numbers come up - I will wave from my helicopter.

But seriously, It must be crushingly painful when a Saxo throws up a stone and cracks your windscreen?

Much as I like the idea of a tasty motor, the pain of a stonechip even to my motor hurts like hell.

The last Italian car I owned, I got it wrapped in clear plastic before it left the showroom. No stone chips, and all I had to do was wash the dirt off to reveal the original showroom polish

PurpleGorilla
18th August 2017, 15:53
The last Italian car I owned, I got it wrapped in clear plastic before it left the showroom. No stone chips, and all I had to do was wash the dirt off to reveal the original showroom polish

Does that protect the windscreen too?

WTFH
18th August 2017, 15:55
Does that protect the windscreen too?

No, but windscreens are cheap/easy to replace. Getting a respray and you never get exactly the same colour/finish.

greenlake
18th August 2017, 16:17
The last Italian car I owned, I got it wrapped in clear plastic before it left the showroom. No stone chips, and all I had to do was wash the dirt off to reveal the original showroom polish
Does that protect the windscreen too?

Sure, as long as you wrap it properly....

http://i.imgur.com/aqhAIpU.jpg

original PM
18th August 2017, 16:34
I don't think it's being built to replace your over powered commuter penis extension.

It's what us gentrified folk call a toy or Sunday car.

But I understand that may be out of many peoples reach.

PhiltheGreek
18th August 2017, 18:15
Sack cloth? Is that what common people call their underpants?

:confused:

vetran
18th August 2017, 19:52
The last Italian car I owned, I got it wrapped in clear plastic before it left the showroom. No stone chips, and all I had to do was wash the dirt off to reveal the original showroom polish

Yeah I drove an Alfa and everything was held on by sellotape!

Hobosapien
20th August 2017, 08:15
Australia demands the same rights in the UK as EU citizens (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/842979/Australia-demands-equal-opportunity-rights-EU-citizens-Britain)

So when the UK's arm has been twisted to allow freedom of movement for EU citizens to get a trade deal, every other country will demand it too, and the UK will end up with mass migration * 10.

:D



Hard Brexit 'offers £135bn annual boost' to economy - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776)

Nothing to worry about, and SAS is right. :smokin or :eek:, you choose.

SueEllen
20th August 2017, 10:33
Sack cloth? Is that what common people call their underpants?

:confused:

What are underpants?

BlasterBates
20th August 2017, 10:35
Hard Brexit 'offers £135bn annual boost' to economy - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776)

Nothing to worry about, and SAS is right. :smokin or :eek:, you choose.

Only if the UK unilaterally removes all tariffs and regulatory requirements on all goods coming into the UK. No country would bother to negotiate a trade deal if the UK has unilaterally already removed all the tariffs, and incidentally Professor Minford has stated huge swathes of British industry would be laid to waste as they fail to compete with the cheap imports and battle against massive tariffs to sell goods abroad. He thinks the UK should become a services only economy.

MPs react after Vote Leave economist admits Brexit would 'mostly eliminate manufacturing' - Chronicle Live (http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mps-react-after-vote-leave-11269819.amp)

This is one of the suggestions that has been floating around for years like unilateral nuclear disarmament, a 10% flat tax or a guaranteed universal income for everyone.

Incidentally part of Patrick Minford's proposal includes freedom of movement extended to all countries to allow employers to recruit anyone they need.


:D

Hobosapien
20th August 2017, 10:49
Only if the UK unilaterally removes all tariffs and regulatory requirements on all goods coming into the UK. No country would bother to negotiate a trade deal if the UK has unilaterally already removed all the tariffs, and incidentally Professor Minford has stated huge swathes of British industry would be laid to waste as they fail to compete with the cheap imports and battle against massive tariffs to sell goods abroad. He thinks the UK should become a services only economy. ...


They're not enough out of their box to think it through. Allow me. They remove import tariffs so get all the business then offer a value added service where all items are checked for quality and improved where necessary before exporting them.

So no longer 'made in Great Britain' but more 'handled by Great Britain'. Worked for Lotus when they offered 'handling by Lotus' to cars from their parent company, Proton. All they handled was the badge stuck on the car's rear end. :laugh

Then any export tariffs are offset by the perceived improvement in quality. :smokin

vetran
20th August 2017, 10:52
What are underpants?

Knickers to you darling!

BR14
20th August 2017, 11:04
Knickers to you darling!

ohhh, - i say!

BlasterBates
20th August 2017, 11:09
They're not enough out of their box to think it through. Allow me. They remove import tariffs so get all the business then offer a value added service where all items are checked for quality and improved where necessary before exporting them.

So no longer 'made in Great Britain' but more 'handled by Great Britain'. Worked for Lotus when they offered 'handling by Lotus' to cars from their parent company, Proton. All they handled was the badge stuck on the car's rear end. :laugh

Then any export tariffs are offset by the perceived improvement in quality. :smokin

He is actually right by the way, when I studied business I did an assignment to to evaluate Taiwan's industrial strategy, basically involved unilaterally removing all tariffs as no-one was ever going to do a deal with Taiwan, they also slashed taxes, and created enterprise zones.

However the UK is not Taiwan, it would mean huge numbers of companies going out of business which depend on the EU, building entirely new companies and slashing the public sector. This would be a rerun of Thatcher era, in which Minford was influential as her favourite economic advisor and all the misery that went along with it. That's not what Leave voters had in mind.

This Brexit vision from Minford has an air of "Moonraker" about it, i.e. destroy everything and rebuild a new Brexit Utopia.

:D

Hobosapien
20th August 2017, 11:11
This Brexit vision from Minford has an air of "Moonraker" about it, i.e. destroy everything and rebuild a new Brexit Utopia.

:D

May as well, the robots and AI and AI robots will take all the jobs anyway.

Let them, tax them, and give the humans a citizens income so they only need to earn extra if they want all the bling.

Sorted. :smokin