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TheFaQQer
23rd November 2017, 15:15
Link (http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/unite-warns-government-tax-reforms-could-result-in-workers-being-taxed-like-millionaires/)

“In a bid to boost their flagging finances the government is intent on pushing tens of thousands of workers into the misery of being employed by umbrella companies and taxed like millionaires.

“Unite fully supports a crackdown on bogus self-employment which denies workers even the most basic employment rights, however that should not result in workers being forced onto umbrella company contracts, where they suffer financial misery due to being treated as both employer and employee for tax.

“The UK is crying out for substantial changes to the laws on employment status so that workers are either genuinely self-employed or are employees, with full employment rights.

“The government must avoid introducing poorly thought out piecemeal reforms which are set to make a bad situation worse.”

SueEllen
23rd November 2017, 15:42
Wow!!

eek
23rd November 2017, 15:49
Wow!!

That will be the first of many I suspect. All unions have a complete and utter dislike of umbrella companies and will want as a minimum agencies to provide at least 1 fee free method of payment.

bobspud
23rd November 2017, 16:09
Next will be their test case to tie workers rights to taxation.

Im sure all those wonderful government agencies that blanketed everyone will be fine though :spank:

MrMarkyMark
23rd November 2017, 16:48
Excellent news :glasses

LondonManc
23rd November 2017, 16:50
Great news but for clarification, we still love you Lucy. :o

eek
23rd November 2017, 16:52
Great news but for clarification, we still love you Lucy. :o

As Lucy would state herself - umbrella companies serve a purpose for contractors who want a hassle free life. Lower paid agency workers are a different market

LoughriggFell
23rd November 2017, 19:51
After the NHS insisted that all agencies workers used an umbrella company eight months ago, it is almost a relief that the NHS is now aggressively phasing out umbrella companies, and replacing them with Staff Flow.

Tasslehoff
23rd November 2017, 20:11
My name?

Yes it's Gail Cartmail.

What? Gail Cartmail yes.

No it's not a joke, I am here to talk about seizing the means of production, this is very serious.

<click>

poorautojobber
24th November 2017, 09:42
To say my mind is blown is an understatement. They hate umbrellas for a good reason low paid workers being pushed into them and let's not go into the dodgy ones.
A decent umbrella for a well paid individual that isn't using 'schemes' is a completely different animal.

Maslins
24th November 2017, 11:10
...being employed by umbrella companies and taxed like millionaires.

:confused::confused:

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! That they end up suffering the employer's NICs as well as employee's? Seems a daft comparison if so.

NotAllThere
24th November 2017, 11:59
:confused::confused:

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! The logic is irrelevant. It's a pithy slogan that the common person can understand. It also fairly well epitomises the plight of low-paid workers in umbrella companies - even if it is a tad hyperbolic.

LondonManc
24th November 2017, 15:15
:confused::confused:

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! That they end up suffering the employer's NICs as well as employee's? Seems a daft comparison if so.

If might do if you're on £500/day but not if you're on £50/day

WordIsBond
24th November 2017, 15:41
:confused::confused:

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! That they end up suffering the employer's NICs as well as employee's? Seems a daft comparison if so.
:confused::confused:

What's the logic of applying logic to union propaganda?

(Does anyone think they'd be speaking in these terms if it weren't an allegedly Tory government?)

jamesbrown
24th November 2017, 16:02
Tory government

When did that happen? :eek

eek
24th November 2017, 16:11
:confused::confused:

What's the logic of applying logic to union propaganda?

(Does anyone think they'd be speaking in these terms if it weren't an allegedly Tory government?)

The unions view point is that in the same way an employee is offered £10 an hour and receives £10 an hour before employee NI and income tax is deducted an agency worker being offered £10 should also receive £10 before employee NI and income tax. The issue here is unions feel that agencies are advertising jobs at £10 an hour which is reality are only paying £8.50 or so an hour...

WordIsBond
25th November 2017, 04:43
The unions view point is that in the same way an employee is offered £10 an hour and receives £10 an hour before employee NI and income tax is deducted an agency worker being offered £10 should also receive £10 before employee NI and income tax. The issue here is unions feel that agencies are advertising jobs at £10 an hour which is reality are only paying £8.50 or so an hour...
Yes. But that still isn't being taxed like millionaires, where there is 45% income tax, 2% NI, and 13.8% employer NI. It's propaganda.

WordIsBond
25th November 2017, 04:43
When did that happen? :eek
It didn't. I said "allegedly".

northernladyuk
28th November 2017, 15:59
As Lucy would state herself - umbrella companies serve a purpose for contractors who want a hassle free life. Lower paid agency workers are a different market

But the whole system is abused when low paid BAU monkeys like PC get pushed into umbrellas.

eek
28th November 2017, 16:03
But the whole system is abused when low paid BAU monkeys like PC get pushed into umbrellas.

Which is why unite and the other unions don’t want this rolled out without a cost free payment method.