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AtW
29th November 2017, 13:45
"Lauri Love, the British student accused of hacking into American government websites, would be at high risk of killing himself if extradited to the US, the high court has heard.

Love, who lives in Suffolk and has Asperger’s syndrome and severe depression, should be tried in Britain for his alleged offences, his counsel, Edward Fitzgerald QC, told the court.

Opening an appeal against an earlier decision that Love should be tried in the US, Fitzgerald said: “There’s a very real risk that he would commit suicide [if extradited]. There’s a virtual certainty that his condition would deteriorate.”

Love, 32, who holds joint British and Finnish nationality and is studying electrical engineering, also suffers from eczema and asthma. “All these conditions would be exacerbated by the stress of removal,” Fitzgerald told the lord chief justice, Lord Burnett of Maldon, and Mr Justice Ouseley, who were hearing the case."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/lauri-love-high-risk-killing-himself-alleged-us-government-hacking-extradition

MarillionFan
29th November 2017, 13:46
Austism Spectrum Disorders are all made up bollocks dontchaknow.

LondonManc
29th November 2017, 14:04
For a person of their undoubted ability, the ass-burgers stuff could easily be faked and "diagnosed" before embarking on a life of chicanery and any old ne'er-do-well shouldn't be allowed to hide behind it. Load him up with 4 blue inhalers and a 10*100ml tubs of E45 and ship him out.

_V_
29th November 2017, 14:56
Love, 32, who holds joint British and Finnish nationality and is studying electrical engineering, also suffers from eczema and asthma. “All these conditions would be exacerbated by the stress of removal,” Fitzgerald told the lord chief justice, Lord Burnett of Maldon, and Mr Justice Ouseley, who were hearing the case."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7pgCfZwOok

woohoo
29th November 2017, 15:54
As someone with Asthma and a niggling urge to commit hacking crimes, I'm watching this case with interest.

OwlHoot
29th November 2017, 15:56
For a person of their undoubted ability, the ass-burgers stuff could easily be faked and "diagnosed" before embarking on a life of chicanery and any old ne'er-do-well shouldn't be allowed to hide behind it. Load him up with 4 blue inhalers and a 10*100ml tubs of E45 (*) .

(*) and not forgetting also 10 * 1000ml tubs of KY for him in jail. :eek

greenlake
29th November 2017, 16:36
"Lauri Love, the British student accused of hacking into American government websites, would be at high risk of killing himself if extradited to the US, the high court has heard.

He'd end up on the prison menu....

http://i.imgur.com/u5w3cmS.jpg

MrMarkyMark
29th November 2017, 16:37
"Lauri Love, the British student accused of hacking into American government websites, would be at high risk of killing himself if extradited to the US, the high court has heard.

Love, who lives in Suffolk and has Asperger’s syndrome and severe depression, should be tried in Britain for his alleged offences, his counsel, Edward Fitzgerald QC, told the court.

Opening an appeal against an earlier decision that Love should be tried in the US, Fitzgerald said: “There’s a very real risk that he would commit suicide [if extradited]. There’s a virtual certainty that his condition would deteriorate.”

Love, 32, who holds joint British and Finnish nationality and is studying electrical engineering, also suffers from eczema and asthma. “All these conditions would be exacerbated by the stress of removal,” Fitzgerald told the lord chief justice, Lord Burnett of Maldon, and Mr Justice Ouseley, who were hearing the case."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/lauri-love-high-risk-killing-himself-alleged-us-government-hacking-extradition


Fookin' snowflakes.

AtW
29th November 2017, 16:37
Where is DimPrawn?

SimonMac
29th November 2017, 16:38
Austism Spectrum Disorders are all made up bollocks dontchaknow.

Isn't it usually just bad/lazy parenting?

greenlake
29th November 2017, 16:43
Where is DimPrawn?

He managed to escape....

http://i.imgur.com/SDc1iD6.jpg

MarillionFan
29th November 2017, 17:52
Isn't it usually just bad/lazy parenting?

Well that's exactly what the in-laws said last Thursday to be honest at 9.45pm when they were at my house after DS1 had been playing up for a number of hours and decided he needed a good smack and to tell me what a crap dad I was.

At 9.50pm the MIL decided to give him a good smack.

At 10.15pm I eventually got him to bed and settled as the house was now much quieter having thrown the in-laws out on the street to drive the two hours back home to their house.

All is much calmer now I don't have to have anything to do with the in-laws.

Wilmslow
29th November 2017, 18:04
I think I have had an experience with an autistic 3 year old this weekend - son of a good friend, we went on a mini cruise. In the restaurant he throws plates around constantly screaming, repeatedly hits his mum to nosebleed, was over-awed by the sail-away party to the point of powering down, and kicked and screamed his way on the tube when we made our way across London to the point his mum brokedown. The worst thing is mum does not see anything different to a regular 3 year old, and has her confidence totally knocked from her. I am now a firm believer in the reality of autism having lived through it for a weekend!

MarillionFan
29th November 2017, 18:19
I think I have had an experience with an autistic 3 year old this weekend - son of a good friend, we went on a mini cruise. In the restaurant he throws plates around constantly screaming, repeatedly hits his mum to nosebleed, was over-awed by the sail-away party to the point of powering down, and kicked and screamed his way on the tube when we made our way across London to the point his mum brokedown. The worst thing is mum does not see anything different to a regular 3 year old, and has her confidence totally knocked from her. I am now a firm believer in the reality of autism having lived through it for a weekend!

Nah. Bad parenting. Should have smacked her for being a bad parent.

Wilmslow
29th November 2017, 18:36
Nah. Bad parenting. Should have smacked her for being a bad parent.

Denial parenting - she sees no issue which is the issue........

MarillionFan
29th November 2017, 18:48
Denial parenting - she sees no issue which is the issue........

I knew from 18 months year old I was a bad parent. It's because I leave my pants on the floor according to the in-laws. You have to bow down to the older generation, they didn't have ADHD or Autism in their day, it's because they were beaten as children, were disciplined by their parents properly and didn't have computers so it didn't occur.

I wish I was born in a time when there was no disabilities, pedophiles and you could leave your front door open. I blame Brexit.

SueEllen
29th November 2017, 21:56
I knew from 18 months year old I was a bad parent. It's because I leave my pants on the floor according to the in-laws. You have to bow down to the older generation, they didn't have ADHD or Autism in their day, it's because they were beaten as children, were disciplined by their parents properly and didn't have computers so it didn't occur.

I wish I was born in a time when there was no disabilities, pedophiles and you could leave your front door open. I blame Brexit.

No you blame joining the EU.

Everything will be solved with Brexit plus (insert racist phrase for brown people) and women will know their place.

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 08:55
No you blame joining the EU.

Everything will be solved with Brexit plus (insert racist phrase for brown people) and women will know their place.

You're thinking of Islam, it said so on the news.

SueEllen
30th November 2017, 09:11
You're thinking of Islam, it said so on the news.

No I was thinking UKIP and their name for women who didn't clean behind their fridges.


Islam was covered in (insert racist phrase for brown people) as clearly all Muslims are brown :rolleyes:

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 09:12
No I was thinking UKIP and their name for women who didn't clean behind their fridges.


Islam was covered in (insert racist phrase for brown people) as clearly all Muslims are brown :rolleyes:

Is that a euphemism?

SueEllen
30th November 2017, 09:16
Is that a euphemism?

What do you think?

original PM
30th November 2017, 09:20
I think I have had an experience with an autistic 3 year old this weekend - son of a good friend, we went on a mini cruise. In the restaurant he throws plates around constantly screaming, repeatedly hits his mum to nosebleed, was over-awed by the sail-away party to the point of powering down, and kicked and screamed his way on the tube when we made our way across London to the point his mum brokedown. The worst thing is mum does not see anything different to a regular 3 year old, and has her confidence totally knocked from her. I am now a firm believer in the reality of autism having lived through it for a weekend!

Just because a child throws a tantrum it really really does not mean they have any form of 'thing'.

At the age of 3 a child is trying to make their imprint on the world - they learn very quickly what does and does not work when trying to get their own way.

Pandering to that or trying to find an 'excuse or reason' is a really stupid idea.

My kids had tantrums - they have not been defined as on the spectrum.

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 09:20
What do you think?

I've just had to look up what UKIPer said about women.

Slightly different to muzzers, that's their opinion of 14 year-old white girls in Rochdale, Rotherham and plenty of other places (Bury is next one tipped to be exposed).

Hobosapien
30th November 2017, 10:18
As someone with Asthma and a niggling urge to commit hacking crimes, I'm watching this case with interest.


I get out of breath just looking at the learning curve.

Mr Robot (Elliot is definitely on the spectrum, to keep this on topic :eyes) makes it look easy. Funny how the screen shows them typing* quicker than physically possible, and with zero mistakes. :laugh

* They always use archaic command line input method for hacking, when everything else is point and click. "Hack that" is one click for Windows. :tongue

SueEllen
30th November 2017, 11:21
I get out of breath just looking at the learning curve.

Mr Robot (Elliot is definitely on the spectrum, to keep this on topic :eyes) makes it look easy. Funny how the screen shows them typing* quicker than physically possible, and with zero mistakes. :laugh

* They always use archaic command line input method for hacking, when everything else is point and click. "Hack that" is one click for Windows. :tongue
I can type fast and correctly because I was taught to type.

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 11:27
I can type fast and correctly because I was taught to type.

Yay, a fellow trained touch-typer :D

woohoo
30th November 2017, 11:30
I can type fast and correctly because I was taught to type.

I understand that it's a requirement in the secretarial profession. Do you prefer PA now or is secretary ok?

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 11:40
I understand that it's a requirement in the secretarial profession. Do you prefer PA now or is secretary ok?

I took a touch-typing course at school; made sense with the advent of IT in the early 90s as there was a clear route to more and more computer usage.

Hobosapien
30th November 2017, 12:05
I can type fast and correctly because I was taught to type.

Not that fast. Physically impossible to type as fast as you see on some shows/movies. :p

So you're the only one that managed to turn up to the computer studies touch typing class at uni. :yay:

They weren't daft, it was the only class early morning all week and the only one with no test towards the overall course result. :laugh The pound a pint and live music at the student union bar always won out the night before. I think I turned up once, to see how fit the lecturer was or wasn't. Can't remember, I think it was a she. :eyes

NigelJK
30th November 2017, 12:13
Taught (aka wrote a program to teach) TT in an iTec to all students. Can't TT myself sadly, didn't have enough time to sit in on the practice (30 minutes every morning).

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 12:16
Not that fast. Physically impossible to type as fast as you see on some shows/movies. :p

So you're the only one that managed to turn up to the computer studies touch typing class at uni. :yay:

They weren't daft, it was the only class early morning all week and the only one with no test towards the overall course result. :laugh The pound a pint and live music at the student union bar always won out the night before. I think I turned up once, to see how fit the lecturer was or wasn't. Can't remember, I think it was a she. :eyes

Nothing beats Jonathan Pryce's typing as Elliot Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies.

MyUserName
30th November 2017, 12:16
Isn't it usually just bad/lazy parenting?

Sometimes it might be but not always. Mini MUN is heavily on the spectrum and there are noticeable differences between her and and other children. However, there are differences between all children and we do not let it get in the way. We make some allowances for her in terms of coping strategies but we do not tolerate bad behaviour.

LondonManc
30th November 2017, 13:00
People also don't seem to know the difference between ADHD and when they've simply got a naughty kid on their hands, can't be bothered and want to pass the blame on.

BrilloPad
30th November 2017, 13:01
Austism Spectrum Disorders are all made up bollocks dontchaknow.

Except for your son....

BrilloPad
30th November 2017, 13:02
People also don't seem to know the difference between ADHD and when they've simply got a naughty kid on their hands, can't be bothered and want to pass the blame on.

Especially teachers. If a SN diagnosis is made, they get extra funding.

psychocandy
30th November 2017, 13:33
Austism Spectrum Disorders are all made up bollocks dontchaknow.

I hope this is a wind up....

psychocandy
30th November 2017, 13:36
Just because a child throws a tantrum it really really does not mean they have any form of 'thing'.

At the age of 3 a child is trying to make their imprint on the world - they learn very quickly what does and does not work when trying to get their own way.

Pandering to that or trying to find an 'excuse or reason' is a really stupid idea.

My kids had tantrums - they have not been defined as on the spectrum.

Glad to hear you're kids are fine. Does'nt mean it doesn't exist.

BTW - theres a bit more to than "having a tantrum". Suggest you read up about it.

BrilloPad
30th November 2017, 13:44
I hope this is a wind up....

Yes. He used to believe it. Until his kid was diagnosed!

SueEllen
30th November 2017, 15:01
Glad to hear you're kids are fine. Does'nt mean it doesn't exist.

BTW - theres a bit more to than "having a tantrum". Suggest you read up about it.

Original PM was answering a poster who stated he thought a child was on the autistic spectrum.

As the child hasn't been diagnosed by a professional you can't just say the kid has that particular condition, as lots of people particularly children have traits of conditions but are actually showing "normal" behaviour e.g. a 3 year old throwing tantrums because they haven't been set boundaries or have hearing/eye sight problems is normal.

I have relations and close friends' whose work involves working in clinical environments that include diagnosing children with various disorders, and when 2 of them started we use to joke that about people including ourselves were showing x traits. Even now when they are joking they say one of their children is showing x traits. There is nothing wrong with their children in that regard.

MarillionFan
30th November 2017, 15:25
Yes. He used to believe it. Until his kid was diagnosed!

WHS

Where in the case of Brillopads kids, it's just bad parenting coinciding with multiple broken homes & divorces.