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DimPrawn
22nd February 2018, 09:46
UK net migration falls to 244,000 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43154308)


Net migration to the UK is estimated to have fallen by 29,000 to 244,000 in the year to last September, figures show.

Only 244,000 extra people arrived needing housing, medical car, benefits and their children educated per year.

:rolleyes:

SunnyInHades
22nd February 2018, 09:59
UK net migration falls to 244,000 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43154308)



Only 244,000 extra people arrived needing housing, medical car, benefits and their children educated per year.

:rolleyes:

Phew, that's a relief.

Only the population size of Swindon this year .. Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice !
Such an improvement .. slaps on the back all round .. a couple of years back we were getting the size of Manchester each year.

OwlHoot
22nd February 2018, 10:08
UK net migration falls to 244,000 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43154308)

Only 244,000 extra people arrived needing housing, medical car, benefits and their children educated per year.

:rolleyes:

Actually it was probably more like 1,244,000 Third World refugees arriving, and 1,000,000 educated, skilled Brits leaving. :eyes

darmstadt
22nd February 2018, 11:19
UK net migration falls to 244,000 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43154308)



Only 244,000 extra people arrived to boost the economy, provide much needed labour that the indigenous folk won't do and generally just help the UK

:rolleyes:

FTFY

filthy1980
22nd February 2018, 11:21
FTFY

wow so 223k new jobs were created?

sal
22nd February 2018, 12:27
wow so 223k new jobs were created?

UK working population is roughly 50%, so if the same ration is applied to the net migration you will need only 122k jobs, not 223k

According to ONS July-Sep 2017 brought an increase of 88k jobs in one quarter, so yeah, IS it so hard to believe that there are extra jobs for these immigrants?

Or are people thick enough to believe the propaganda that immigrants are coming here to benefit scrounge and nothing else...

NotAllThere
22nd February 2018, 12:28
UK net migration falls to 244,000 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43154308)



Only 244,000 extra people arrived needing housing, medical car, benefits and their children educated per year.

:rolleyes:
Yes, because every single one of those 244,000 immigrant gets social housing, medical cars and benefits. Not one of them ever makes a net contribution to the economy, nor pays more in taxes than they cost the state.


Actually it was probably more like 1,244,000 Third World refugees arriving, and 1,000,000 educated, skilled Brits leaving. :eyes
90,000 of the new arrivals were from the EU, that's down 75,000.


The ONS statistics show that net migration from countries outside the EU rose by 40,000 to 205,000, driven largely by a rise in those coming from Asia.

Since 2015, just under 11,000 refugees have been resettled in the UK. There's about 120,000 asylum seekers/refugees in total.

minestrone
22nd February 2018, 12:34
The vast majority cost more than they return to the country.

WTFH
22nd February 2018, 12:35
The vast majority cost more than they return to the country.

Same could be said for the over 65s

NotAllThere
22nd February 2018, 12:40
The vast majority cost more than they return to the country.Maybe overall there's a cost, but that doesn't mean all do, not that the vast majority do, or even that the majority do. I reckon it's just 2 - Erikur and MF. :D


Same could be said for the over 65s
Oh grief, don't get PG whining about boomers again!

woohoo
22nd February 2018, 12:42
Yes, because every single one of those 244,000 immigrant gets social housing, medical cars and benefits. Not one of them ever makes a net contribution to the economy, nor pays more in taxes than they cost the state.



Many do both, they make a contribution and receive benefits. For example, a colleague has been in the UK 4 years, had a baby here and uses the NHS. He is a contractor so min wages rest divs. He wisely invests his money in property back in India and it's doing well. It's his retirement fund. So, he is using NHS, his money is being directed to India and he has barely made a contribution since he has been here.

Guy down the road is from Poland. Drives a van and works hard. His wife, mother and child all live with him. Child was born in the UK. I imagine a delivery guy doesn't earn that much so I'm guessing his wife/mother in law are supported with benefits.

The truth is how much immigrants cost our country or benefits it are guesses. Depending on the source of the research you will get different answers.

DimPrawn
22nd February 2018, 12:42
The vast majority cost more than they return to the country.

Have you never watched a BBC documentary about economic migrants (sorry I mean asylum seekers) being interviewed on their way to UK?

BBC Luvvie via translator:

"And what did you do in your home town before fleeing some kind of conflict"

Migrant via translator:

"I was a medical doctor"

Next one in line

BBC Luvvie via translator:

"And what did you do in your home town before fleeing some kind of conflict"

Migrant via translator:

"I was a surgeon"

Next one in line

BBC Luvvie via translator:

"And what did you do in your home town before fleeing some kind of conflict"

Migrant via translator:

"I was a medical doctor"

Next one in line

BBC Luvvie via translator:

"And what did you do in your home town before fleeing some kind of conflict"

Migrant via translator:

"I was a medical doctor"

Next one in line

BBC Luvvie via translator:

"And what did you do in your home town before fleeing some kind of conflict"

Migrant via translator:

"I was a surgeon"

Next one in line

BBC Luvvie via translator:

"And what did you do in your home town before fleeing some kind of conflict"

Migrant via translator:

"I was a medical doctor"

Next one in line...etc...etc.

:rolleyes:

filthy1980
22nd February 2018, 12:48
UK working population is roughly 50%, so if the same ration is applied to the net migration you will need only 122k jobs, not 223k

According to ONS July-Sep 2017 brought an increase of 88k jobs in one quarter, so yeah, IS it so hard to believe that there are extra jobs for these immigrants?

Or are people thick enough to believe the propaganda that immigrants are coming here to benefit scrounge and nothing else...

so the other 50% who would be non working migrants (children / homemakers / elderly etc) do these not utilise resources? (schools / hospitals / housing etc)

and there are currently 1.47m people unemployed . . . shouldn't they get first dibs on these 88k jobs?

now if they don't have the right skills that the market demands then by all mean look to import them through (controlled) migration

tarbera
22nd February 2018, 12:56
Same could be said for the over 65s

I believe the Break even point is paying PAYE tax on a 40K Salary

this Rules out most IT Contractors on these Boards

WTFH
22nd February 2018, 13:03
I believe the Break even point is paying PAYE tax on a 40K Salary

this Rules out most IT Contractors on these Boards

True, but I suspect most contractors have private health etc and are less of a burden on the NHS

tarbera
22nd February 2018, 13:06
True, but I suspect most contractors have private health etc and are less of a burden on the NHS

I do, I suspect not the majority ??

Indeed and the 1.4mlion Britons living in Europe never use local facilities

Lance
22nd February 2018, 13:11
I believe the Break even point is paying PAYE tax on a 40K Salary

this Rules out most IT Contractors on these Boards

I don't pay 40% tax rate. However I do pay more in tax than if I was at that break even.

My CT bill on it's own is more than a £50k p.a. person would pay in tax and NI.
Sure we're tax efficient, but it's not like we don't pay tax.

minestrone
22nd February 2018, 13:34
Even beyond the monetary burden of these immigrants the 'diverse communities' they create carry a high social burden on the country.

TwoWolves
22nd February 2018, 13:43
I would treat this headline-grabbing figure with some scepticism if I were you.

My number-crunching contacts on twitter have re-written it as ~100,000 more Europeans living here than last year. I wouldn't interpret that as a Brexit exodus.

sal
22nd February 2018, 13:52
The vast majority cost more than they return to the country.

So no different than the natives then?

minestrone
22nd February 2018, 14:00
So no different than the natives then?

The natives cost less or make less debt, whoever you would want to put it.

There is absolutely no economic advantage in mass migration to this country.

sal
22nd February 2018, 14:07
so the other 50% who would be non working migrants (children / homemakers / elderly etc) do these not utilise resources? (schools / hospitals / housing etc)

and there are currently 1.47m people unemployed . . . shouldn't they get first dibs on these 88k jobs?

now if they don't have the right skills that the market demands then by all mean look to import them through (controlled) migration

So you expect to attract skilled labor - the "good" kind of immigrants according to the anti-immigration folks, by not allowing them to bring their families with them? Good luck.

Local population is on same if not favorable terms when competing for jobs - they have history in the UK and know the job market. So you can say they kinda have the first dibs on jobs.

Skilled labor is not cattle to be imported at will when you have demand for a specific skill, and chug them out when the demand goes down.

OwlHoot
22nd February 2018, 14:13
There is absolutely no economic advantage in mass migration to this country.

True, but when will some people learn? All this "economic advantage" carp spouted by useful idiots distracts from the real reason politicians can't seem to get a grip on immigration.

They don't want to stem it, because it is all about the political advantage of establishing a compliant and (they hope) grateful voter block. Sadly, the Tories are almost as guilty as Labour in this.

But if Agent Cob and the Quartermaster's Labour get in the floodgates will be opened wider than ever, and any indigenous (or previous immigrant) mugs who vote for them will get all they deserve.

sal
22nd February 2018, 14:15
The natives cost less or make less debt, whoever you would want to put it.

There is absolutely no economic advantage in mass migration to this country.

What are you basing your calculations on?

Not every advantage has to be economic, it can be quality of life improvement, like having a foreign "slave" to make you a sandwich or clean your toilet.

Eirikur
22nd February 2018, 14:18
Great to see the amount of Pakistani and Indians migrating to the UK is rising thanks to <B-word>

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 14:27
Great to see the amount of Pakistani and Indians migrating to the UK is rising thanks to <B-word>

And why would that be "great" exactly?

Take your time.............:eyes

sal
22nd February 2018, 14:42
And why would that be "great" exactly?

Take your time.............:eyes

To prove that uncontrolled EU migration was not valid reason for "B-word", given the fact that the majority of the number will be substituted with supposedly controlled migration for elsewhere.

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 14:52
To prove that uncontrolled EU migration was not valid reason for "B-word", given the fact that the majority of the number will be substituted with supposedly controlled migration for elsewhere.

Maybe in the warped perceptions of you and the other halfwits.

:laugh

Eirikur
22nd February 2018, 15:12
Maybe in the warped perceptions of you and the other halfwits.

:laugh

You voted for closer connections to the commonwealth, but forgot there is nothing left to plunder from them anymore, just immigrants.

minestrone
22nd February 2018, 15:14
What are you basing your calculations on?

Not every advantage has to be economic, it can be quality of life improvement, like having a foreign "slave" to make you a sandwich or clean your toilet.

Volunteering, altruism, voting, trust, size of social groups are all lower in diverse communities.

In every way multiculturalism has been a failure.

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 15:34
You voted for closer connections to the commonwealth,

No we didn't. But how like a Bremoaner to start second-guessing just why people voted the way they did.

:eyes

Eirikur
22nd February 2018, 15:49
No we didn't. But how like a Bremoaner to start second-guessing just why people voted the way they did.

:eyes

This was actually one of the very few things that was actually promised by the <B-word>-eers during the campaign. Just Google but I give you one example here: Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12193101/Brexit-will-allow-Britain-to-embrace-the-Commonwealth.html)

No Bremoaning at all just stating facts and like all deplorables you only look at fake news

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 16:05
No Bremoaning at all just stating facts and like all deplorables you only look at fake news

Unlike you, I did not NEED to be told how and why to vote.

I used original thought and personal views.

You ought to try it sometime when your meds wear off.

HTH BISDI

:eyes

Eirikur
22nd February 2018, 16:06
Unlike you, I did not NEED to be told how and why to vote.

I used original thought and personal views.

You ought to try it sometime when your meds wear off.

HTH BISDI

:eyes
So you agree I was right and you were wrong?
:winker:

darmstadt
22nd February 2018, 16:09
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

or:

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/pix/Express-cover-montage.jpg

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 16:16
So you agree I was right and you were wrong?
:winker:

Er No. But keep up that record of yours of consistently getting even the simplest concepts spectacularly wrong.

:laugh

Eirikur
22nd February 2018, 16:27
Er No. But keep up that record of yours of consistently getting even the simplest concepts spectacularly wrong.

:laugh

From your favorite news outlet

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/775399/empire-2-uk-improve-trade-links-african-commonwealth-nations-after-brexit-theresa-may
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/720003/Britain-Commonwealth-countries-Brexit-European-Union-trade-deal-Caribbean-Africa

yes this is what was promised, what you voted for and this is what you will get

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 16:34
this is what was promised, what you voted for

You really are stupendously dim. You can't have been born that stupid, you must have undergone specialist training.

Whoever coached you made a great job of it. In a time where buffoonery is commonplace, you are a stand-out. Well done!

:rollin:

Eirikur
22nd February 2018, 16:41
You really are stupendously dim. You can't have been born that stupid, you must have undergone specialist training.

Whoever coached you made a great job of it. In a time where buffoonery is commonplace, you are a stand-out. Well done!

:rollin:

Elaborate? Or is that all you can say, typical Farage, Trump type of voter

shaunbhoy
22nd February 2018, 17:23
Elaborate? Or is that all you can say, typical Farage, Trump type of voter

I hardly feel it necessary to elaborate on what a dullard you are. You have approaching 2k posts that can attest to that.

:laugh

OwlHoot
22nd February 2018, 17:24
Was thinking of touring central Italy this summer, visiting Rome and the seaside resort of Gaeta and Naples etc, and Vesuvius and Pompeii

But after reading this article I'm wondering if that is still a good idea, as it would be terribly sad if due to mass immigration towns round there had changed out of all recognition since the 1970s when I was last there

2018-02-22 Italian Town 'Taken Over' By Nigerian Migrant Gangs (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/02/22/italian-town-taken-over-by-nigerian-migrant-gangs/)

It's reaching the stage where liberals in Europe had better start getting with the program and seriously and robustly limiting 3rd world immigration now, or before long real Nazi parties will start winning elections everywhere :eyes

xoggoth
22nd February 2018, 17:32
Of course some will dismiss OH's Breitbart link as it's a "right wing rag"

For them, here's much the same thing from The Independent:

Italian and Nigerian gangs: A deadly alliance | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/italian-and-nigerian-gangs-a-deadly-alliance-2361393.html)

minestrone
22nd February 2018, 18:42
Europe is 10 years away from another Yugoslavia type situation. there is only so long this can be contained by news suppression and the happy clappy brigade. You can feel it building, the far right are now the main opposition in Germany and will only get stronger.

Something will spark it then it will spread and turn into a full on slaughter. It has happened countless times before in Europe and it is naïve to think it won't happen again.

vetran
22nd February 2018, 19:19
Was thinking of touring central Italy this summer, visiting Rome and the seaside resort of Gaeta and Naples etc, and Vesuvius and Pompeii

But after reading this article I'm wondering if that is still a good idea, as it would be terribly sad if due to mass immigration towns round there had changed out of all recognition since the 1970s when I was last there

2018-02-22 Italian Town 'Taken Over' By Nigerian Migrant Gangs (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/02/22/italian-town-taken-over-by-nigerian-migrant-gangs/)

It's reaching the stage where liberals in Europe had better start getting with the program and seriously and robustly limiting 3rd world immigration now, or before long real Nazi parties will start winning elections everywhere :eyes

unfortunately I suspect you will be proven correct. Its starting to tip, if only we had managed immigration 10 years ago.

darmstadt
22nd February 2018, 19:37
unfortunately I suspect you will be proven correct. Its starting to tip, if only we had managed immigration 10 years ago.

You did only the government decided to ignore it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqui_Smith

And then continued to ignore it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresa_May

darmstadt
22nd February 2018, 22:33
Love it:


The number of European citizens arriving has dropped sharply since the EU referendum, while the number of people from outside the bloc has increased.

Eirikur
23rd February 2018, 07:45
Love it:

Don't tell shaunhboy, he will say you're mad

TwoWolves
23rd February 2018, 08:26
Love it:

Nothing to do with Brexit. There is an economic boom underway in Poland and other Eastern European states.

Eirikur
23rd February 2018, 08:35
Nothing to do with B****. There is an economic boom underway in Poland and other Eastern European states.

MODS b-word in general, please ban!

vetran
23rd February 2018, 09:04
MODS b-word in general, please ban!

MODS there is a complete feckwit in General (apart from me) you know what to do.

:igmc: